Obama: Afghan runoff 'important step'

This is funny stuff coming from the White House. Karzai is accused of voter fraud and stacking the deck during the election. Demand that he do it again and president Obama will be happy?

"It is now vital that all elements of Afghan society continue to come together to advance democracy, peace and justice,'' Obama said. (All elements of Afghan society do not follow president Obam's play book folks) "We look forward to a second round of voting, and the completion of the process to choose the president of Afghanistan. (why? the results will be the same) In that effort, the United States and the international community are committed to partnering with the Afghan people."

Just how is president Obama going to do this? "advance democracy, peace and justice" when it hasn't taken place so far? a sham of an election and another sham coming to a theater near you soon. If president Obama necessitates another run off election, how on earth does he believe this next one will have any other outcome. Showtime folks for the sake of the show.

Obama's dithering in Afghanistan while troops die is disgraceful. The Obama Buffoon is weak, empty, narcisstic and dangerous. Dems OUT in 2010.

Hope you're all satisfied.....sweeping Obama into the White House! You just couldn't wait to get rid of Dub-ya.
I'll tell you what....I'll take George Bush over this "all-show-no-go" idiot any day!

I see the hypocrites are out in force today. After years of supporting "stay the course" the republicans just couldn't wait to spin and make an issue out of their bumbling the war in Afghanistan for 8 years. 8 years people....8 years....not 1...or 2... or even 3.......EIGHT YEARS!

Hope and Change? yup uh huh people are soooooooo stupid!!!!

My gosh are the righties stupid and ill informed. Guess what righties, George W. Bush NEVER at any point gave the Generals the number of troops they requested in Afghanistan. Bush NEVER had a plan or a full blown strategy for Afghanistan. Yet I never heard you complaining about his dithering while the troops died. I never heard you comparing it to Vietnam then, did I? Nope. You were perfectly fine with Bush's disasterous handling of Afghanistan. You were perfectly fiine with the troops dying while the Generals asked for more support and recieved none. Forgive me if I don't believe that you've suddenly developed a great concern for our troops or Afghanistan.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=46546

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/16/AR2007121601823.html

Let's hope that Barry doesn't send over ACORN or Jimmy Carter to run a "fair" election.

Americans everything are waking up to the reality of Obama-- The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office.

Forgive me if I don't believe that you've suddenly developed a great concern for our troops or Afghanistan.

Posted by: Suddenly you care? | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM

Forgiven. And I don't believe the liar in chief about his war of necessity. As for killing off our troops, this dithering adolescent sets records month after month and yet does nothing. There is no excuse other than this fool can't make a decision. The political situation isn't going to suddenly stabilize, Afghan troops aren't going to step up and take control.

But your messiah had it all figured out when he was lying his way through the campaign. Now its more of the same campaigning except with even less specifics.

Hey Mark, did you conveniently leave out Gates' take on the messiah's inaction or did the white house tell you not to include it in your story. Maybe you've become so used to being manipulated by Gibb-Goebels it doesn't even hurt any more.

Giev us something to actually think about little bill. Your rants and name calling make no credible points.

You just might have your "wars" mixed up there little guy but besides that, there is this guy who is now the president, his name is Barack Obama and he is actually in charge! you might not realize that fact but just in case you can't fathom "in charge", he's the one whose shoulder's must carry the Afghanistan and Pakistan wars.

Bush gone (except in your head) and Obama in. President Obama has to make these decisions.

Hans, Obama has already ordered roughly 34,000 additional troops to Aghanistamn. Is that "nothing" in your opinion? Is that inaction?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/13/obama-afghanistan-troop-deployment

However any number of additional troops are absolutely worthless without a viable strategy and plan to use them. I know you righties hate the notions of thinking annd planning, something that certainly the Bush Administration never bothered with, but most rational people understand that those are vital to any successful military campaign.
If you really had any true concern about our troops or Afghanistan, you'd at least attempt to find out the facts before you make ignorant posts attacking inaction.

No big surprise here that Obama is choosing to do nothing. He was a do nothing senator and now he is a do nothing president. His policy of sit back and hope for the best and flap his gums. Dems were duped by the media into believing that this bozo was going to be different from any other politician. The fact that he is a Chicago politican should have been enought of a warning to run sreeming the other way.A decision not to act is still a descision made.

the corruption in Minnesota's election didn't seem to bother obama. Maybe there are trunk loads of uncounted votes, just like in Minnesota.
Change is coming, too bad the country has to wait until 2010, then 2012.

Every day more blood is on Obama's hands over this. Yes on Obama. The men and women in the field have a plan but, the folks (Democrats) in DC think they know better. It is starting to sound like Vietnam!!

A question for the obvious military experts on the right who havce graced us with their deep and profound wisdom on this matter: Where do we take the adiitional 40,000 troops from?That is the real question here. We simply do not have 40,000 troops that are deployable at this moment. If we send that many to Afghanistan, the only way we can do that is to speed up withdrawals from Iraq.

"A US military planner told the Army Times: "We've increased forces in Afghanistan before we've reduced forces in Iraq in a meaningful way. If they want forces sooner than 2010, there are no additional forces available. You'll have to pull them from Iraq and put them in Afghanistan."

The US spokesman in Iraq, Brigadier General Stephen Lanza, said yesterday that the number of US troops in Iraq will be down to 120,000 by the end of the month, down 23,000 since January. But any further large-scale reductions will have to wait until after Iraqi elections next January. "

It truly is aamzing how uniformed you right wingers are. Every time you post, you just prove it more.

Posted by: Suddenly you care? | October 20, 2009 1:00 PM

You might consider reading your links before posting. 1st, those 13,000 aren't soldiers, they are "enablers." 2nd, ordering in troops w/o a strategy is worthless, why did the fool do it then?

I'm calling out the liar because he had all the answers when campaigning and none now. He's had eight months to make a decision and still can't be bothered. He has set records every month for soldiers killed and he can't so much as decide whether we should fight or run. The dems overwhelmingly supported this war when Bush was in charge and claimed we weren't doing enough. Now the dems float a different trial balloon each week looking for some sort of concensus.

How long do you propose our soldiers sit around as targets before the fool in the white house finds his balls and makes a decision?

"The deployment of such non-combat troops is in line with the professed aim of the new US commander, General Stanley McChrystal, to try to win the hearts and minds of the Afghanistan population."

Hans, Perhaps you should read before you comment. If you read all of the article, you'd know that those "enablers" are vital to the efforts that the Generals on the ground in Afghanistan are making to "Win the hearts and minds" of the Afghani people. The generals, unlike you, understand that wars aren't won simply by blowing things up.

As to the rest of your rant, that is simply partisan nonsense without any basis in fact. If you were truly concerned about our troops sitting around as targets, you would have been asking these question 5 years ago when Bush left them there without the forces or supplies they needed and with no strategy what so ever.

Suddenly, McChrystal has also said he need 40k more soldiers. Something necessary before the community activists can accomplish their mission. The person responsible for making that decision couldn't find the time to meet with the General untill called out on 60 minutes. Personally, I don't think we can win the hearts and minds, with or without additional people. I don't believe that adding 40k, if we had them, would provide a long term solution to the region. I don't believe blowing people up would be in the best interests of the country.

Worse than sending in more troops without a strategy or the necessary support, which is happening now, is not having clear objectives, a coherent strategy. This fool has time to film multiple commercials for the Olympics, take vacations, date nights and Wednesday keggers but can't be bothered with Afghanistan until he starts getting record numbers of people killed. Now he can't make a decision because he needs more time to study something he knew all about a year ago....or he was just lying about it.

As for trial balloons, what would you call the conflicting comments from Biden, Obozo, Gates, Rahm, Kerry all proposing something different than the generals. I call it partisan nonsense too.

A voter fraud President blaming another President for voter fraud, how sublime.

I may not agree with Mr. Karzai policies, but the idea of a president that leads a party that is famous for the amount of voter fraud involved in there elections is truly funny. Did he borrow some on the Chicago practices for it, you know multiple votes, unidentifiable voters and of the dead voters. Mr. Karzai maybe a democrat at heart but, unlike our democrats he is capable of leadership.

Hans, I call the different proposals being todssed out "Discussion" , You see Hans, intelligent people don't just grab onto an idea, any idea, and act on it without thought. They look at many ideas, they talk to other intelligent people about thier ideas, they look at the facts as they change, and then come to a decision. Now I know that's a big difference from the way your right wingers come to a decision, but that's how most people in the world make serious important decision, especially about life and death issues. Maybe someday you rightwingers should give it a try.
Incidentally Hans, the "Generals" are not all in agreement either. They have different opinions as well. General Petraeus, who is General McChrystal's direct superior, has expressed doubts as to whether a "surge" will work in Afghanistan. The fact is Hans, a fact you again should know before you discuss these issues, the Joint Chiefs of Staff gave the actual request for more troops to Obama on October 7. Until that time, the Generals themselves were were discussing the issue and throwing out different theories.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/10/07/us/politics/politics-us-afghanistan-usa.html

Again, Hans, you'd be better off educating yourself before you post, trather than making me point out how mistaken your positions are.

Suddenly, 8 months, no decision on the "war of necessity." No clear objective let alone a strategy. Intelligent people view all the facts and effective people make decisions. The community agitator is neither.

Intelligent people don't spout their mouths off for a year then clam up when forced to make a decision. Intelligent people have a vision and a objective based on principles not on how to appease a bunch of left wing libs like foot in mouth Biden.

As for 40k new soldiers, I never said anything about whether we should or should not have them deployed. First the generals need guidance on the objective, until then I would expect them to have differing opinions.

Obozo pushed off making a decision until after the elections, now he's called for a second round of elections. What's next, wait till after Christmas? You supported a fool.

Hans it's only sudden to you because the right has suddenly made it a political issue. As previously noted., Obama has already committed a a major troop increase in Afghanistan. Our strategy has already changed. These discussion have been going on all through Obama's term, and will continue all through his term. War strategy and troop requirements are never static, they are constantly evolving. A large part of the Bush Administartions monumental failures in both Iraq and Afghanistan was due to the utter failure to adapt and to change. You supported the fool, and are yourself too foolish to understand the issues yourself.