Off-shore drilling hazardous: U.S. experts: The Swamp
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Chicago Tribune

Stop, baby, stop,NOAA report on ocean oil-drilling is telling Interior Dep't.

Posted October 12, 2009 7:30 AM
The Swamp

by Jim Tankersley and Josh Meyer

The federal government's top ocean scientists are urging the Interior Department to drastically reduce plans to open the coast to offshore oil and gas drilling, citing threats to marine life and potentially devastating effects of oil spills in Arctic waters.

The recommendations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are informal and not binding. But if adopted, they would restrict development in some of the nation's most resource-rich untapped offshore areas and mark a significant departure from the pro-drilling policies of the George W. Bush administration. They also give added -- and official -- weight to environmentalists' concerns.

In a letter sent to Interior officials last month, NOAA recommended excluding large tracts of the Alaska coast, the Atlantic seaboard and the Gulf of Mexico from Interior's draft offshore drilling plan for 2010 to 2015.

NOAA recommends establishing buffer zones around the Southern California Ecological Preserve off Santa Barbara. In addition, it suggests that its broader recommendations, such as taking greater account of drilling's effects on marine life, could affect potential lease sales off California.

The agency calls for a ban on drilling in the Arctic until oil companies greatly improve their ability to prevent and clean up oil spills. And it asks Interior to delay new drilling plans until an Obama administration ocean policy task force completes its work late this year.

The comments, dated Sept. 9 and obtained by the Washington Bureau, were included in a letter to Interior officials from NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco. They include an often sharp critique of the offshore leasing plan, developed under Bush, that would open swaths of the California coast and other areas to new drilling.

NOAA says the leasing plan's assessment of the risks of drilling, such as oil spills, is "understated and generally not supported or referenced."

See the full, exclusive report of the Washngton Bureau on the NOAA recommendations on off-shore oil-drilling in Tribune newspapers and here in the Swamp:


For example, in Alaska's North Aleutian Basin and Chukchi Sea, the agency says it is "very concerned about potential impacts to living marine resources and their habitats, viable commercial and recreational fisheries, and subsistence use of marine resources as a result of future lease sales, exploration, and development."

The recommendations echo concerns raised by an array of environmental and local community groups, fishermen, Alaska Natives and scientists, said Dr. Richard Steiner, a marine biologist at the University of Alaska who has battled Interior over Alaska offshore drilling.

"The significance is that here we have one federal agency supporting what we have been saying all along regarding the push to lease offshore in Alaska," he said. The agency's comments, Steiner added, "put Interior in a corner in all of this."

The recommendations reflect the ascendance at NOAA of environmentalists such as Lubchenco, a marine ecologist who has been outspoken on ecosystem issues and climate change.

"It is refreshing to hear the voices of marine scientists who were silenced for the past eight years," said Jeff Ruch, executive director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, which has publicized documents that show Bush officials overruling or downplaying environmental concerns.

"If NOAA's warnings are not heeded," Ruch added, "Interior's offshore leasing plans will again be ensnared in litigation."

NOAA urges the Minerals Management Service -- the Interior division that handles offshore drilling -- to consider ocean ecosystems, coastal communities and other environmental factors when finalizing a leasing plan.

The agency stresses the challenges of cleaning up an oil spill in remote, icy waters, which NOAA says would be substantially more difficult than cleaning up a spill elsewhere.

The recommendations highlight the competing pressures on Interior Secretary Ken Salazar as he weighs whether to amend the Bush-era leasing plan.

Republicans have accused Salazar of dragging his feet and stalling domestic energy production, in part because he extended the time for the public to comment on the plan.

Rep. Doc Hastings of Washington, the top Republican on the House Natural Resources Committee, recently accused the administration of placing "a de facto ban on offshore drilling."

The comment period ended last month, with more than 450,000 submissions, including some from conservation groups, governors and industry representatives.

In a comment representative of the oil industry, BP America enthusiastically supported the Bush plan, writing: "The oil and gas exploration and development sector has a strong record of environmental and safety performance. We believe that if new areas are opened, they can be leased, explored and developed safely and in an environmentally sensitive manner."

Through a spokeswoman, Salazar remained noncommittal Sunday about the NOAA recommendations. Kendra Barkoff said in a statement that the secretary "welcomes the ongoing input and expertise of NOAA and other federal agencies and looks forward to continuing these discussions as he moves toward decisions that will help us build a comprehensive, responsible offshore energy strategy for the country."

Last month, in a news release announcing the end of the comment period, Salazar said the future leasing plan "must take into account several key considerations, including areas of the ocean that are critical to military training and the nation's defenses; other economic benefits of the oceans, including fisheries, tourism, and subsistence uses; environmental considerations; existing oil and gas infrastructure; interest from industry; and the availability of scientific and seismic data."

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Norway and Great Britian drill in the North Sea.

Brazil intends on drilling 200 miles off it's coast.

Cuba is going to allow China to extract oil off it's coast.

The United States will import oil from all of these countries and continue to send our wealth and jobs overseas.

Something does not compute.


Not only that, Pat H., but the Obimbo administration is giving Brazil $400 MILLION to help its off-shore drilling program. This is just another attempt to prevent the U.S. from getting its natural resources that we can sell as well and create high-paying jobs. Energy is the top commodity in the world, one in which countries are raking in billions upon billions of dollars. Except the U.S., that is.


The article's headline should read: "Obama Appointee Claims Offshore Drilling in Hazardous".

Because Jane Lubchenco, the person labeled "expert" in the headline, is an Obama political appointee. She was also a Clinton administration appointee, and veteran Democratic Party donor who has donated to, among others, the "Democratic Party of Oregon" and "Dollars for Democrats".

Ms. Lubchecno may indeed be a marine zoologist. But she's also a partisan Leftwing Democrat. A fair article should mention both these facts in her background.


Just about everything in life, can be a risk. If you don't want to risk anything, nothing in this world would have been accomplished. We have has off shore drilling for years, with relatively few accidents. The truth of the matter is that if we do not drill for oil and other resources that the good Lord has provided then we are the losers, as long as other foreign countries want use oil as a form of blackmail. And we also need to expand our development of nuclear energy along with our natural gas resources. And for our friends that are true believers in saving our environment I say no one wants to ruin our beautiful country, and while our countries have nuclear power and are using the other natural resources, they will be leaving America in the dust. And for those out there that do not want to risk anything whatsoever lock yourself in a room and call room service.


We have all the energy we could ever need in the Sun, the Air, and the Wind.

There has never been a reason to "drill baby drill". Except for the insane greed of oil execs who wish to destroy God's planet for their own profit.

There is no excuse that we do not have a mass produced electric car by now. Heck, electric golf carts have been around over 50 years!! You don't think they could have expanded on that concept?

But the collusion, interference and lobbying cash of the big oil companies has tried to squash every development in this area.

The wave of the future is "clean" jobs or "green" jobs. But the head in the sand republicnas, with their hands in the pockets of big oil, just wants "drill, baby, drill". Republicans have caused us to fall behind every other major power in education and technology, and now they just want to continue more of the same.

Let them know, NOT THIS TIME!!!


John D, stop spreading your false rumors.

http://factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/


Green,

Until your house is provided by electricty that is generate solely by the sun, air, and the wind, you should shut your computer off.

Speaking of the hypocracy of global warming - Al Gore shuts down someone's microphone that disagrees with him.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_dacf39c7-c2f8-5718-a5a0-d0cfb39f80bc.html


Green Is Good is obviously as ignorant as they come and has learned his marxist mantra well. He's wrong on all counts.

Oil companies make profits because everyone on this planet is dependent upon oil for all but life itself and are willing to pay good money for the most efficient and effective source of energy we have. Imagine the horse and buggy world, which may be coming under the marxist regime we now have.

Our enemies will get rich and dominate us if we follow the fools on the left;especially the ones who wear Green on their sleeves.


Dear "GREEN IS GOOD";

What is the peak demand for electric power in the US?

According to the Dept of Energy, the peak demand in 2008 as about 1,080,000 megawatts. The largest windmill currently available, 400 feet tall at the hub, with a 400 foot-diameter propeller, can average 2 (that's TWO, as in the number after ONE) megawatts, and it costs $15,000,000 EACH, and need 60 acres to make sure if it did fail (and some will), nothing near it would be destroyed.

That means to use just wind to power the US, you would need over 500,000 windmills, each over 400 feet tall, with 400 wide propellers, sitting on 30,000,000 acres, and it would cost a little over $5 TRILLION.

Solar power? You would have to cover an area the size of Maryland just to generate 15% of our power, and that would work only in the daylight. You would have to double it, so you could store the extra for night use, and it would cost more than windmills.

The Three Gorges Dam in China blocks a river 2 times bigger than the Mississippi at St. Louis, is 600 feet high and still will generate at its peak only 18,000 megawatts. You would need 60 dams that size to meet the US power demands.

And before you say something like "we could all use CFLs that would cut demand by half!", realize that homes account for maybe 20% or less of total electrical demand. Many industries, ones that have lots of unions jobs, depend on huge quantities of energy. So making it hard for them to operate just sends the jobs to countries that don't care, like China.


Terry is right, since no one is 100% green, any concern about pollutioon is hypocrisy. All anti-pollution laws shoul;d be repealled. Every pro-environment group should be disbanded. Pollution is good. Pollution should not be condemned, but it should be praised. Terry, like all right thinking people, love pollution. He want's more pollution in the world, not less. Terry is no hypocrite, he lives his love of pollution every day. He allows companies to dump their waste in his front yard. Terry truly is a hero to polluters everywhere and a foe to those silly environmentalists who don't undertstand the beauty of pollution. Good Job Terry, the polluters of the earth salute you!


More propaganda. Jospeh Goebels would be proud.


Maybe we can eliminate the legacy of pig-oil (and friends) very poor record of offshore drilling and oceanic transportation of oil crude, etc. in the last 30 years.

Not permitting further drilling is the first step to more responsible development of alternative fuel sources.


Every major country in the world is drilling off of our shores with their labor [therefore less U.S. jobs] and taking "our" oil that we pay them for.

The politicians of this country are just plain S-T-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-P-I-D!!


Some people think pollution is okay but NIMBY. So long as they don't have to see or smell it, dump anything.


Harsh facts: right now China is spending billions to harness wind and solar power--to the point where US solar and wind power companies are building factories and research centers in China, rather than in the US. The US has better wind and solar resources than China, but because our government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the oil, gas and coal companies, we're going to fall further and further behind. And when that happens... the fools on the Tribune comment boards will find some way to blame it on those #@$%! liberals who kept telling them wind and solar were a better idea than more drilling.


Joe, I am not spreading "false rumors:"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

From the link is this: "Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan."

Looks to me like the Obama administration had something to do with it, regardless of what factcheck.org says.

And then green is good says we should have electric cars today. Green, what exactly will provide the power to create the electricity to make all these cars operate? If they have to get hooked up to a charger and receive electricity, where does that electricity come from and how? First of all, there aren't enough power plants to provide that type of energy. Regardless, though, emissions from those power plants would skyrocket!
Details, details, details.


"Geen is Good," why isn't there an electric car?

Two major issues: Energy density and charging time.

The great advantage of liquid petroleum fuel (gasoline or diesel) is its energy density, the energy content per unit volume or per unit weight. Nothing else comes close, perhaps least of all batteries. (IIRC, hydrogen is worse.) No one has succeeded in coming up with batteries that will allow a range of much more than 100 miles, in a car that everyone can afford.

The energy density gets worse in cold weather. A lead-acid battery loses as much as two-thirds of its storage capacity when the weather gets cold; that's why General Motors leased its EV-1 only in California. More advanced batteries are little better; for instance, I have to keep my digital camera, which has a Li-Ion battery, inside my jacket in the winter, or it gives me a low battery warning.

When you run low on gasoline, refilling takes a matter of minutes; when you run low on battery charge, recharging takes hours. That might work for a commuter car, but if you want to take a trip, you won't want to stop for a few hours every 100 miles to rechatrge the battery.

To say that if golf carts can do it, automobiles certainly ought to be able to, is laughable. Golf carts are never driven very far in a day, and come back to the same place to be recharged at night. Golf carts also don't have the same loads that automobiles do; lights and air conditioning, to name two. Though I suppose that, if you'd be happy with a golf cart as a daily driver, have at it.


“You don't think they could have expanded on that concept? But the collusion, interference and lobbying cash of the big oil companies has tried to squash every development in this area.” Ahoy there, Green Is Good. Here we go again with the great, evil and amorphous ‘they’. Just who exactly, is ‘they’? Even if one were to accept the loopy left conspiracy theories that ‘they’ have hidden / prevented / obstructed the (fill in the blank), what perchance is preventing Al Gore, Raphie Nader, Mikey Moore or similar guardians of the green from perfecting, and commercializing, the miracle battery, low cost electric car or perpetual motion machine? They seem to have ample time and resources for writing books and making movies, and at lucrative profit margins too. Another classic element of the conspiracy is the EVERYBODY has to be in on the fix, so therefore Honda, the European greenies, the clever Indians et al must all simultaneously conceal the brilliant technological breakthrough that “some guy” in his basement in California has all ready to plug in. Thinking persons however, note that talk is cheap and the energy source the grand pontificators mainly produce is hot air. Meanwhile, as others point out, our various “green” trading partners have little reluctance to drill and quite a few understand that nuclear must be included in the energy mix.


“You don't think they could have expanded on that concept? But the collusion, interference and lobbying cash of the big oil companies has tried to squash every development in this area.” Ahoy there, Green Is Good. Here we go again with the great, evil and amorphous ‘they’. Just who exactly, is ‘they’? Even if one were to accept the loopy left conspiracy theories that ‘they’ have hidden / prevented / obstructed the (fill in the blank), what perchance is preventing Al Gore, Raphie Nader, Mikey Moore or similar guardians of the green from perfecting, and commercializing, the miracle battery, low cost electric car or perpetual motion machine? They seem to have ample time and resources for writing books and making movies, and at lucrative profit margins too. Another classic element of the conspiracy is the EVERYBODY has to be in on the fix, so therefore Honda, the European greenies, the clever Indians et al must all simultaneously conceal the brilliant technological breakthrough that “some guy” in his basement in California has all ready to plug in. Thinking persons however, note that talk is cheap and the energy source the grand pontificators mainly produce is hot air. Meanwhile, as others point out, our various “green” trading partners have little reluctance to drill and quite a few understand that nuclear must be included in the energy mix.


“You don't think they could have expanded on that concept? But the collusion, interference and lobbying cash of the big oil companies has tried to squash every development in this area.” Ahoy there, Green Is Good. Here we go again with the great, evil and amorphous ‘they’. Just who exactly, is ‘they’? Even if one were to accept the loopy left conspiracy theories that ‘they’ have hidden / prevented / obstructed the (fill in the blank), what perchance is preventing Al Gore, Raphie Nader, Mikey Moore or similar guardians of the green from perfecting, and commercializing, the miracle battery, low cost electric car or perpetual motion machine? They seem to have ample time and resources for writing books and making movies, and at lucrative profit margins too. Another classic element of the conspiracy is the EVERYBODY has to be in on the fix, so therefore Honda, the European greenies, the clever Indians et al must all simultaneously conceal the brilliant technological breakthrough that “some guy” in his basement in California has all ready to plug in. Thinking persons however, note that talk is cheap and the energy source the grand pontificators mainly produce is hot air. Meanwhile, as others point out, our various “green” trading partners have little reluctance to drill and quite a few understand that nuclear must be included in the energy mix.


Pollution,

Watch your strawman.


Just let the oil companies drill wherever and whenever they like. And let's subsidize their drilling, too. Let's drive down the cost of oil so that it's so cheap, you can afford to jump in your SUV to take out the trash.
Never mind the fact that the amount of oil we could drill, even with a no-holds-barred policy, wouldn't effect the global price of a barrel of oil by more than a cent or two. Oh, and in case you didn't notice, oil is traded on the global market.


Just let the oil companies drill wherever and whenever they like. And let's subsidize their drilling, too. Let's drive down the cost of oil so that it's so cheap, you can afford to jump in your SUV to take out the trash.
Never mind the fact that the amount of oil we could drill, even with a no-holds-barred policy, wouldn't effect the global price of a barrel of oil by more than a cent or two. Oh, and in case you didn't notice, oil is traded on the global market.


Ha ha. Every time a nonsensical article is published by the Swamp about the bright future of green jobs (once a week), Simple JohnEE posts his cut and paste rant. You pollute this site with your posts, Little Simple JohnEE.

The market dictates when "green energy" is viable, not Big Oil, Big Auto, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, or Big Brother. So far, despite all of the money, regulation, government subsidies, tax incentives, and media clamoring, Big Green is not cutting it. Some day; just not today. Do we stick our heads in the shale until then?


Don't drill here
Don't drill there
Make my gas
outa thin air!


Yes Yes we know anything good for America has to be bad for the enviroment why am I not shocked? BTW we could really use some global warming here in Chicago its flippin Cold!!!!


It does'nt seem like fight for water... People are just waiting for a change to fight againts each other.... Please focus on indian economic development instead of fighting like this...


Jane Lubchenco is a well known left wing environmentalist and member of the church of global warming.


Hi Don, and, I'd add that we would be justified in nationalizing any foreign oil drilling currently on our shores. Others would understand since the oil currency standard is going to be a mix of currencies, rather than only the dollar anymore. This will lower the dollar further in the world. I thank a Bush for this.


Can any of you no drilling fools tell me the last time a rig had a spill in the Gulf. Oh and your words will not cut it back it up with the links to a real news site. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, FOX, and most print media will not cut it.


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