White House vs. FOX News: Olympics: The Swamp
The Swamp
Chicago Tribune
Posted October 1, 2009 9:30 AM
The Swamp

by Mark Silva

In the ongoing struggle between the White House and the FOX News Channel, the Obama administration's direct rebuttal of what FOX's Glenn Beck and a guest have had to say this week about the administration's hand in Chicago's bid for the 2016 Olympic Summer Games may seem like a footnote.

But it's emblematic of something bigger: An administration's refusal to play ball with a widely watched cable news network which it views as slanted is escalating to an administration's willingness to challenge commentators on the network for fast and loose foot-play with the facts - or, more specifically in this case, Glenn Beck's carelessness.

In an entry at the White House blog yesterday entitled, "Reality Check: Trying to Turn a Point of Pride into a Moment of Shame,'' the administration's online czar (the way Beck might describe him) wrote about FOX News' "continued... disregard for the facts.'' In this case, Jesse Lee was writing about the administration's attempts to secure the 2016 Olympics for the U.S. and Beck's demonstration, "once again,'' that "nothing is " worthy of respect if it can be used as part of a partisan attack to boost ratings.''

When the president sat down for a round of Sunday morning news shows interviews recently to promote his health-care plan, FOX News was cut out of the loop. At the same time, the president got his largest cable news-viewing audience the night of his address to a joint session of Congress on the FOX News Channel.

"I am Barack Obama,'' the president had noted at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner earlier this year. "Most of you covered me. All of you voted for me.... (laughter) Apologies to the Fox table.'' (more laughter)

At a press briefing in June, Robert Gibbs was asked about something that keeps him awake at night - the deficit. "FOX is what puts him to sleep,'' Gibbs replied.

Here's a wake-up call: The "Reality Check'' at the White House Web-site ought to be getting FOX's attention. Some of it has to do with Beck himself, some with assertions made by a guest:

FROM THE WHITE HOUSE BLOG:

"RHETORIC: BECK SAID VANCOUVER LOST $1 BILLION WHEN IT "HAD THE OLYMPICS." Glenn Beck said, "Vancouver lost, how much was it? they lost a billion dollars when they had the Olympics." [Transcript, Glenn Beck Show, 9/29/09]

REALITY: VANCOUVER'S OLYMPICS WILL NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL 2010. Vancouver will host the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games from February 12 - 28, 2010 and March 12-21, 2010, respectively. [Vancouver2010.com, accessed 9/29/09]


RHETORIC: VALERIE JARRETT "WAS LAST SEEN WITH THE NEA." Beck's guest, FOX News contributor Pat Caddell, said, "[Obama] is going to go [to Copenhagen] with Valerie Jarrett who was last seen with the NEA pumping up their use of, you know, money." [Transcript, Glenn Beck Show, 9/29/09]

REALITY: VALERIE JARRETT WAS NOT ON THE NEA CONFERENCE CALL. Valerie Jarrett was not a participant in the August 10, 2009 United We Serve/NEA conference call.


RHETORIC: CHICAGO IS CLOSING THE GOVERNMENT SEVERAL DAYS A WEEK BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO BE OPEN. Beck's guest Caddell said, "Chicago is closing the government several days a week because they cannot afford to be open. They are going to go and reward -- this is the biggest scandal." [Transcript, Glenn Beck Show, 9/29/09]

REALITY: CHICAGO HAS HAD ONE REDUCED-SERVICE DAY IN 2009, AND WILL HAVE TWO MORE ON THE FRIDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING AND ON CHRISTMAS EVE. On August 17, 2009, CBS Chicago reported, "If you planned to check out a library book, visit a city clinic or have your garbage picked up on Monday, you're out of luck. The City of Chicago is basically closed for business on Aug. 17, a reduced-service day in which most city employees are off without pay. City Hall, public libraries, health clinics and most city offices will be closed. Emergency service providers including police, firefighters and paramedics are working at full strength, but most services not directly related to public safety, including street sweeping, will not be provided. That also includes garbage pickup. Residents who receive regular collection on Mondays should expect trash to be picked up on Tuesday. Some other customers may experience a one-day delay as collectors catch up. As part of the 2009 budget, three reduced-service days were planned for 2009, days which are unpaid for all affected employees -- the Friday after Thanksgiving; Christmas Eve; and New Year's Eve. The City Council recently approved moving the reduced-service day planned for New Year's Eve to Monday. The 2009 budget anticipates saving $8.3 million due to the reduced-service days. In addition to reduced service days, all non-union employees were asked to take a series of furlough days and unpaid holidays, and most non-sworn union employees agreed to similar unpaid time off." [CBS Chicago, 8/17/09]


RHETORIC: VALERIE JARRETT WILL BENEFIT FINANCIALLY. Beck asked, "Is it possible that she is going to benefit if the Olympics come to Chicago?" Caddell responded, "Well, that's the word. She has certainly had a lot of dealings going on in real estate." [Transcript, Glenn Beck Show, 9/29/09]

REALITY: UPON ENTERING GOVERNMENT, VALERIE JARRETT DIVESTED ALL HER REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT HOLDINGS EXCEPT FOR A SINGLE INVESTMENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OLYMPIC BID. Valerie Jarrett divested all her investment real estate holdings upon entering government except for a single real estate holding that she was unable to sell. This single real estate investment has been determined by White House Counsel and the independent Office of Government Ethics to present no conflict of interest in performing her duties as a White House advisor. It has nothing to do with the Olympic bid.''

"For even more Fox lies, check out the latest "Truth-O-Meter" feature from Politifact that debunks a false claim about a White House staffer that continues to be repeated by Glenn Beck and others on the network.''

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Aw poor Gwenn is gonna start cwying.
(sniff, snivel)
Let's all sing Gwenn a wittle song to cheer him up!
Gimme a little smile, wouldn't ya
Gimme a little laugh, couldn't ya


Another president, another "Enemy's List."

It saddens me to see the hate coming out of this White House.

And for journalists who seem to be into "fact" checking, here's a list of 20 Lies Obama made in his Health Care Speech: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/20-obama-lies-about-health-care/blog-160417/


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Obama is a socialist.
mmmm mmmm mmm
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Obama is a racist.
mmmm mmmm mmm
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Glenn Beck will bring him down.
mmmm mmmm mmm
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NOBAMA!
mmmm mmmm mmm
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The White House can't stand the truth- More FOX.-


Why is the White House so defensive? Isn't this supposed to be the "open" and "transparent" administration that we have pegged all of our "Hope" on? Surely they can answer the questions of naysayers without appearing so defensive and standoffish then right??


Facts/reality? Their facts don't address 1 question brought up. Is vancouver in debt or not? quoting someone talking about receiving a bid and then talking about a misstatement about the games actually already happening is a joke. Where was Valerie Jarret? Has she never worked with the NEA? Who did she divest to? These are questions any real reporter would ask of chicago politicians democrat or republican!! The question for you is "does axelrod directly call you with the lies to cover their lies?" Oh my bad thats from the whitehouse blog so you didn't actually write this you just printed it!!


'truth' and 'fox' are oxymorons and if u think the president is a socialist, you need to go back to school and learn what socialism actually is instead of having glenn tell you what to think


Good for the White House for calling out FOX "News" for its complete disregard for the truth. It's one thing to have a conservative or liberal slant, but the likes of Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Greta Van Susteren just make things up on a daily basis...and people actually believe them! With the exception of a few individuals (i.e., Shepard Smith), FOX has "reporters" that just ignore facts. How can one take that channel seriously? It's a joke! I appreciate educated debate, but you cannot debate with people who repeatedly lie and ignore facts. FOX is not news, people, it's a laughable circus!


Oh, how soon they forget!

Where's the footage of G.W. Bush taking time to deliver a birthday cake to Sen. John McCain while New Orleans was drowning? Where's the video of Bush continuing to read "My Pet Goat" to schoolchildren while the U.S. was under attack? Where are the figures showing how many days Bush spent in Crawford, "chopping brush"?

I can only think that conservatives must be extremely desperate. They've been rendered completely impotent. They've conceded GOP leadership to Beck and Limbaugh! Pathetic and laughable, they are making total fools of themselves.

Perhaps we should remind them of their own mantra- America, love it or leave it. Knock yourselves out, wingnuts!



BA DA DA DA DA DAAA!♫

Sitting on the Fox bench
eyeing BHO with with bad intent.
Tears running down his nose
greasy fingers smearing snotty nose

Lying is such cold fun,
Watching as the thrilling psychos run!
Feeling like a Faux-lick
spitting out pieces of his broken logic.
Hey Glenn Bleckky!

Feeling alone
T-Bagger army up the road
salvation à la mode and
a cup of tea.

Glenn Beck you fiend
don't turn from what you've gleaned
you alien pod, new instructions will be beamed.
BA DA DA DA DA DAAA! ♫



I appreciate educated debate, but you cannot debate with people who repeatedly lie and ignore facts. FOX is not news, people, it's a laughable circus!
Posted by: Kevin | October 1, 2009 10:26 AM

More than that, it's a shameless partisan propaganda tool. Unfortunately, as evidenced in some of the comments here, there are people too dimwitted to reject it, even when openly presented with the LIES they put forward as the truth.


White House post lies that Fox makes, and Inky says they can't stand the truth. So a lie is a lie unless Fox says it is then it is the truth.

It is Fox that is always whining about not being taken seriously. Remember when the Sanford scandal broke and they showed his press conference and put a "D" for Democrat after the Republican's name?

FOX=Cowards.


Glen Beck is just a cry baby that gets enjoyment out of boiling live animals.


After the "swiftboaters", I believe one can not let lie's and distortion stand without denouncing them. A lie told enough times becomes truth to the narrow minded. Remeber, Obama is a muslim. There are still those out there that believe this bologna.


Fixednews is for people who cant think for themselves, the network for
morons,


Why should he give Fox the time of day when Bush and Cheney ignored all the other news networks for years and ALSO considering they do nothing but Bash Obama. He's not obligated to give any attention to a Faux News network that is obviously biased. At the least MSNBC and CNN try to hide their biases, Fox not only is out with it, it's one of their calling cards. They advertise it.


Fox News is entitled to its own opinions.

Fox News is not, however, entitled to its own facts.


Foolish
Obfuscating
Xenophobia


Valerie Jarret involved in anything underhanded and illegal??? How dare you! Dontcha know she's from Chicago where all the Political Saints are from?
""Several officials on the call -- including then-NEA Director of Communications Yosi Sergant, Buffy Wicks, deputy director of the White House Office of Public Engagement....."" Buffy was over Yosi and guess who is over the "White House Office of Public Engagement" VALERIE JARRETT! Buffy even stated so on the recording. Perhaps if you get out of the "Swamp" long enough to wash the muck out of your eyes.... you'll start to see clearly on what's really going on. This is not a figment of GB's imagination.....the audio is available for all to hear anytime they wish.


The Hos wrote: Facts/reality? Their facts don't address 1 question brought up. Is vancouver in debt or not?

It is disingenuous to say Vancouver lost X amount of dollars because of the Olympics. Did they spend money to build venues, etc., etc.? Yes, of course they did. Will they recoup those costs when athletes, coaches, staff, visitors come to their area? More than likely. How can you say they lost money when the part that would actually make money hasn't happened yet? Or does Glen Beck have a crystal ball that allows him to see the future?


PLEASE JUST FIX THIS ONE LIE:
post all non emergency bills on the internet for all the people to read before signing as u pledged when u were dong what u do best, run for office.

WHY isn't EVERY reporter on this, including this partisan site??????????????????????????


Why is the Chicago Tribune less concerned with fact checking anything Obama says than it is about what other reporters say?


Canadians have been watching the costs go way over so-called budgets since the games were 'awarded' to Vancouver.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Sports/Olympics+bill+tops+billion/1207886/story.html


BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT,didn't Cheney divest himself of his stock in Haliburton and Liberals, including OBAMA didn't accept that? (BECK is correct by liberal standards)

Chicago has closed City offices (TRUE)

Vancumber lost 1 billion (isn't that exactly what they are estimating they will lose?) Is it really false?

Listen to the NEA Tapes, the woman from the Whitehouse specifically mentions her and indicates she is interested in the dicussion and supports the efforts (which were illegal).

Sorry Obeyme, Rep Wilson was correct. You are a liar. I will go one step further. Obeyme is a sociopath narcissist liar.


If you watch Fox and MSNBC you can find the truth somewhere in the middle. It's a shame we can't get straight answers. I admit, I just dont completely trust Obama because he is a Chicago politician. He's hard not to like though.


BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT,didn't Cheney divest himself of his stock in Haliburton and Liberals, including OBAMA didn't accept that? (BECK is correct by liberal standards)

Chicago has closed City offices (TRUE)

Vancumber lost 1 billion (isn't that exactly what they are estimating they will lose?) Is it really false?

Listen to the NEA Tapes, the woman from the Whitehouse specifically mentions her and indicates she is interested in the dicussion and supports the efforts (which were illegal).

Sorry Obeyme, Rep Wilson was correct. You are a liar. I will go one step further. Obeyme is a sociopath narcissist liar.


I am not a huge fan of FOX and its commentators, in fact I am not fan of any of the news shows and their commentators as I think all are 'slanted' one way or another. However, aren't the people who watch FOX News the ones Obama and his administration need to convince that his plans are what America needs? How does he get his message across to these people by ignoring them? After all, in the absence of leadership...who knows what the people will listen to


who writes this defend Obama at all costs stuff? Daley's popularity is at an all time low becaise the public doesn't want the Olympics. Obama has great problems to handle, and the Olympics is not one of them.


Both the Vancouver Times and Financial Times have reported that the latest cost estimates for the 2010 Olympic games in Vancouver are now around 20% over the initial estimates. Based on an initial projection of $5 billion, that would be a $1 billion over. While the games haven't started yet, you can still get a good idea of how much over budget they are.

The White House response to Glenn Beck's comments were incredibly disingenuous.


Fox tells me all I need to know. Failure First America. Fox says so.


The haters are angry that the chosen one is not being rattled.. We did chose him to be 44


Look at the wing nut crackpots crawl out of the woodwork to defend their beloved Fixed news--news by wackjobs for wackjobs.


How can you take any "News" organizations that has 75% of its viewers and listeners believing the President of the United States is not a US citizen. 75%. This means either FOX News is terrible and reporting facts or they purposely propogate this belief to gullible viewers and listeners to foment an insurrection. Take your pick.


However, aren't the people who watch FOX News the ones Obama and his administration need to convince that his plans are what America needs?
Posted by: Daniel | October 1, 2009 11:45 AM

While we would like to think that the case, you would have an easier time convincing them that the sun rises in the west.


Wait til FOX does some research and figures out that Jarret's daddy really hated dem whiteys.

That'll be special.


So, if I understand correctly what you're trying to say, its that where there were a few instances where Beck got his facts wrong, on vertually everything else he's said he's spot-on. Wow! I wish the rest of the media were that good.
But may I make a suggestion to you: the next time you want to take the time to pick apart Glenn Beck, why don't you just devote your time to digging up the 98%+ of the information that Beck eventually provides to the non-idiots in this coluntry. In that we we could learn even earlier than we do through Beck.


I do not know about the veracity of the other statements but the first statement has a portion of truth. It was Montreal not Vancouver that lost 1 billion dollars. At appears the Glenn and his guest just got the location wrong


Fox News.
We distort, you decide.


FOX, Limbaugh, and all the over-zealous right wingers are all hypocrites. I actually think Obama won the White House because of FOX. Some FOX episodes are more entertaining than Seinfeld.


2016- PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL NOT BE IN OFFICE.
HE CAN BE THE MAN IN CHARGE TO ENSURE ALL WORKS WELL WITH CHICAGO.


I've always found it interesting that so many Americans rely on Fox -- the only foreign-owned (Rupert Murdoch, of Australia) media outlet, for the "truth" about what's happening in our country. I guess Fox's pandering is a lot easier to digest than all those pesky, confusing facts.


Has anyone asked LA why they pursued the 2016 games if the Olympics are such a “city killer?” After all, they hosted 1984, so it seems as though they would know what they were getting themselves into. And why would NYC have pursued the 2012 games if the Olympics pose such insurmountable security and logistical issues, even after suffering the 9/11 attacks? Were both city’s governments hijacked by a bunch of wackjobs who wanted nothing but to see their cities die? Ridiculous, huh? The city’s political climate not withstanding, Chicago can and will pull this off. I hope all these anti-Olympic bellyachers get together, and maybe put up some real reform aldermanic and mayoral candidates in 2011, if they are really that scandalized by the way this city is run. I remember my polling place looking like a ghost town when Daley was overwhelmingly re-elected.


How about an article about all the obama lies. Funny how the liberals attack Beck, I guess fear would be a better word.
They don't like the truth being told so try to demonize the messenger. Typical democrats baloney. They lowered the bar on civility during the Bush administration, and now they don't like it - that's just too bad. Just like Wilson, the press didn't "fact check" to see if obama did lie, just complained about someone actually calling the lying obama a liar to his face.
Maddow, Olberman, Anderson, Matthews (still getting tingles in your leg?)
were worse than Beck.
earmarks, lobbyists, campaign funding, his appointments etc...
and you people worry about Beck??


there are only 2 reasons to watch fox news.

1) if you are intellectually deficient

2) if you need a good laugh


This administration looks weaker, more inept with each passing week. He has had the benefit of the doubt and the doubt now has the benefit.

We're losing our jobs and he is pushing healthcare.

We're losing our jobs and he is going to Copenhagen.

We are losing our jobs and the stimulus had more for the NEA than small business.

We bailed out auto and Saturn falls.

Priorities out of whack.


Where is the birth certificate?


Mark Silva complaining about someone else's slanted reporting and playing fast and loose with the facts. Priceless.
The White House can hate Fox all they want (and that' s all this is, hate, has nothing to do with the actual facts), their ratings will slip through Emperor Obama's fingers and continue to soar as he tries to tighten his grip on the free flow of information.


Oh, and Baghdad Bob Gibbs and the sycophants at Politifact ("seems to be a different photo") wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face.


Glenn Beck will self-destruct sooner or later. He says too many ridiculous things, and one of these days he'll go too far and Fox will have to step away from him. He's kind of like Steven Colbert except Colbert is aware of the parody.


Montreal pays off $1.47 billion olympic stadium debt 30 years later.
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/163165


This administration and congress, just like the last one, is destroying our way of life.


For a news channel and self-procaimed "rodeo cowboy" the WH spends a lot of time on correcting their mistakes... Fox acknowledges that 50% f their audience is not Rightwing Republican... But ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, CNBC don't have any claims... which means that 7.5 channels appeal to the Leftwing Democrat Party view of the world... and still the American public is Center-Right... what is wrong with the Left's philosophy and view of humanity that it keeps being rejected... 40+ years of non-stop propaganda and hatred haven't worked... Why-?

Maybe all-the-people can't be fooled all-the-time...just as Abe Lincoln said... But once in a while seems enough to irritate and annoy.


Jeff,
Can you explain why 3 out of 4 FOX viewers and listeners believe that President Obama is not a US citizen?


This sort of foot-stomping, hair-splitting and posturing is, I believe, revealing more about the current administration's petty inability to handle scrutiny or criticism.


Also, isn't it ironic that this snarky, sniffing air of condescension in the face of detractors is - albeit from the polar opposite political spectrum - strikingly similar to the criticisms lobbied at the Bush administration?


Sweet, sweet irony.


"Where is the birth certificate?"
Posted by: Karol


Obviously, you didn't get the Lindsey Graham memo: people like you are considered to be crazy, which--for once--is a very astute observation from someone within your party.


Beck sure sticks in someone's craw...


It takes a foreign owned station to tell us the real truth because we can't get it from any of our own. Obama won the election with the help of the American Media outlets. Talk about ignoring the facts and pushing the fluff. Even the venerable Chicago Tribune was involved through reporters like this.


I may not believe Fox..(It appears that there is some truth to what they've put out) But I sure wouldn't take the White House on their word either. Take a look at all the lies they've been telling...start with "Unemployment won't go above 8%"....Really? And there will be no cuts to your healthcare while their will be cuts to Medicaide and Medicare! It doesn't add up!! and I didn't hear that on Fox..


I am so happy that Oprah Winfrey is in Denmark supporting Chicago's bid for the 2016 Games. She does, afterall, represent American athleticism. (Can you say SUMO WRESTLING?)


"UPON ENTERING GOVERNMENT, VALERIE JARRETT DIVESTED ALL HER REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT HOLDINGS EXCEPT FOR A SINGLE INVESTMENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OLYMPIC BID. Valerie Jarrett divested all her investment real estate holdings upon entering government except for a single real estate holding that she was unable to sell. This single real estate investment has been determined by White House Counsel and the independent Office of Government Ethics to present no conflict of interest in performing her duties as a White House advisor. It has nothing to do with the Olympic bid.''

Reality - in 2016, the YEAR of the Olympics if Chicago wins, Valerie Jarrett may no longer be part of the Government. Presumably she won't be going on welfare when she leaves the White House and will have to find work again in the private sector. It's only 2009 - plenty of time to 're-invest'. Sure would be nice to know that her investments might appreciate due to the Olympics, no?


All of you folks who are SO adamant about FOX news lying and distorting facts are correct. But you should know that ALL of the news networks lie to us on a daily basis. And these guys get most of their information from the biggest source of lies and distortions in this country today, the federal government.


Jeff, Can you explain why 3 out of 4 FOX viewers and listeners believe that President Obama is not a US citizen?

Posted by: jackson | October 1, 2009 1:28 PM

Jackson, may I ask where you got your facts, the number appears to be a tad high?


It is pathetic how many dimwits that elected this self-centered partisan unpresidential man to hold the highest office in the land still don't have the wherewithal to understand what is going on in this country and are ill informed. I only partly blame the MSM sheeple herders. I have never seen a U.S president set such a divisive tone pitting one American against another. Fox viewers were rated the most knowledgable and informed on current events. Reconcile that with your blind arrogance. If you & your usurper prez cannot handle Contrarian viewpoints, maybe you ought to grow up.


The best part of it is this is that President Obama will continue to govern this nation until his term is up and none of you nay sayers can do anything about it. So just keep typing your idiotic comments and I won't read them. I support our president!


Yawners.

Obama will be reelected no matter what Fox does.


I find it hilarious that the liberal posts blast Fox for not reporting the news or facts. Without Fox, Van Jones would still be roaming the White House without Fox News - Jennings will be next to resign at 2 A.M. on a Sunday morning.


you know the sign of a really good leader? Facing his critism head on.


75% of liberals think George Bush helped to destroy the WTC, and 95% of liberals think Scooter Libby (not Richard Armitage) released Valeri Plame's name, so it's clear that there are plenty of morons on the left.


It kills me, all the print, all the tv that got Obama elected, all the lies they have told, all the Bias, and yet Fox pounded, one little station, that has more viewers than all the others combined...there is a reason for it, while they do have a conservative slant, they do tell both sides of the story, unlike the others that give the socialist a free pass, na more than that they endorse every word spoken by the socialist radical left.
As for the Olympics, I do not want them for many reason. One economically they are a nightmare, two the games with all the "pros" have lost all true meaning to me, just a glorified al star break.
I dont want the traffic, our roads are congested enough as it is.
No Olympics!
Obama can fly around all he wants, but we dont want the torch here!


Hey - Bayy O we need more Cow Bell!!


Oh Great Leader!!
If its not selling - just keep saying the same misleading things that we all know are not true! But must be true because YOU said them - again, again and again....

The fault lies with all us:
Wreckers, Traitors and Spys!!

Must be the Trotskyist-!!


.


Doesn't Fox news get really good ratings?

Regardless of how you feel about the people on the show, wouldn't that be a great place to reach a large audience?

Wouldn't that be especially great to clear up all the misconceptions that you feel are being spread?

Wouldn't that be even better if the majority of the viewers were of an opposite opinion, so you could actually attempt to reach them?

I guess those aren't really goals of his.


Fox News is biased and Beck is a loon, but made a valid point even if the details were a little off. Yawn. Old news.

How about this from NPR: "Olympic Caveats: Host Cities Risk Debt, Scandal" (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113351145)


79% of FOX viewers think that Medicare is not socialized medicine. Tranlsation: FOX viewers are rubes.


Jeff,
Can you explain why 3 out of 4 FOX viewers and listeners believe that President Obama is not a US citizen?

Posted by: jackson | October 1, 2009 1:28 PM

I sure will, when you cite a source other than your own fevered ramblings. Not holding my breath over here.


I don't like Fox, either, but this is a really disorganized and badly written article. This country will never be able to engage in intelligent debate until we dump the 2-party system.


We all know why Barack doesn't visit FOX....they have the guts to challange him. And we know why he goes to ABC, NBC, and has a bed at CBS....they don't say nothin'.

If Barack had the guts needed to govern, he would answer the critics and quit making up emotional arguments to get support ofr his programs.


Glen Beck and Hannity and Fox covered Bush the last 8 years like this, right? Did they criticize him when he took a gov't surplus and put us hundreds of billions in debt? Did they ask questions when he sent us off to war and, by any experts' measure, put together an incredibly poorly designed war strategy? I'll answer that for you: No. Other outlets and reporters in genral may lean to the left but Fox News is unabashedly biased. And if you can't see that then you're kidding yourself.


Once again, the morons at the Swamp censor a post! Why? Because they are Stalinists afraid of the truth and afraid of criticism, just like this joke of an administration.
Why is the Chicago Tribune and its hacks it employs so afraid of the truth?
In the post that was censored, I happened to ask why Mark Silva left out the fact that the "guest" on Glenn Beck, Pat Caddell, is a DEMOCRATIC strategist and pollster. In fact, in the past Caddell had worked for Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale.
In the post censored I asked how much money Mark Silva gets from the Obama administration? Mark, are you so offended by such a question? The question is legit because nearly all of your Swamp items is spent defending this administration, covering up for this administration, bashing this administration's critics, etc.
In the post censored, I noted that Pat Caddell mistakenly said Chicago had shut down several days this week when he obviously meant the year. It's a mental mistake people make ALL the time.
The post censored also noted the many posts here in which the posters did the work Mark Silva should have. Work such as how much over budget the Vancouver Olympics already is, even though it hasn't happened yet.
In the post that was censored I said I really didn't care whether Chicago got the Olympics or not, and in fact thought it would be nice to have the world focused on Chicago for a couple of weeks because it is such a beautiful city. (Perhaps the Chicago Tribune censors don't like people saying Chicago is beautiful city?) But I also suggested that perhaps the Daley, and even Obama administrations should perhaps spend more time figuring out how to keep Chicago safer so 16-year-old honor students don't get the life beaten out of them or that folks who live on the third floor of an apartment building in Lincoln Park aren't robbed.
Why do these comments merit censorship? It makes one ask if the Chicago Tribune censors this stuff, what else does it censor? It also makes one believe the Chicago Tribune CANNOT be trusted as a news source or as a fair arbiter of opinion.
Also, Glenn Beck just responded to the White House blog. Beck apologized for his mistake about Vancouver losing $1 billion. He meant Calgary, not Vancouver. Then he proceeded to note all the cost overruns so far in Vancouver.
But the real issue is that the Chicago Tribune CANNOT be trusted. The Chicago Tribune does not believe in the First Amendement and in fact is an ENEMY of the First Amendment.
I'm sure this will get censored too becuase it is clear the Chicago Tribune has no interest in legitimate debate.


Notice how Glenn Beck's fans either ignore the lies that he has just been called out on, or else go through contortions trying to find some grain of truth in his lies....I mean really, 'Vancouver...Montreal...they're both in Canada, right so what's the big deal?'

The fact is that Fox News is part of the right-wing news media and their goal is to bring Obama down. Period. Facts only get in the way of achieving that goal.


Actually JD,
If you think about the opener of your first offered comment, you'll understand why it's in the trash. As for the rest of it, we're not afraid of honest criticism.


There she is . . . . right up front aside of the president. . . . . . God, I can't stand that woman . . . . . who am I speaking of? . . . . Winfrey, of course . . . .the lady who thinks that INCEST is a suitable topic for TV . . . . . I wish that she would go away.

rmk/akron


Actually JD,
If you think about the opener of your first offered comment, you'll understand why it's in the trash. As for the rest of it, we're not afraid of honest criticism.

Posted by: Mark Silva | October 1, 2009 5:29 PM

I know you're not. And that's why I come back, for the joy of seeing the once-in-a-while JohnD smackdowns. Thanks Mark.


I'm so sick of reading the comments of all you high-and-mighty left wing quacks who love to talk about how Fox News "makes things up" but can't provide one single example of how this is so. And let's be fair here. Ok yes, you have O'Reilly, Hannity, Van Susteren & Huckabee on Fox. But then you choose to ignore the countless other libbies at CBS, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, et al. You've got the likes of Keith Olbermann, Katie Couric, Matt Lauer, Brian Williams, Campbell Brown, Tim Johnson, Dan Rather, Bob Schieffer, all the brainless skags on "The View", etc etc etc! These people and the networks they represent are all mouth-pieces for the Obama administration and it's sickening.

And while Fox News may granted be conservative, where they really outshine the other networks is in their coverage of the news stories that other networks choose to ignore either because they aren't PC or don't flatter the Obama administration. They've all ignored the recent Acorn scams, laugh about the millions of people who show up at Tea Parties, have blissfully ignored Cindy Sheehan now that she is criticizing Obama for his war policies, the list of their transgressions goes on. Just go to NewsBusters.org and look around. Idiots.


There's an old express; numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers. This should be expanded to; quotes don't lie, but liars use quotes out of context.

If you don't see this stuff live, you have no clue who's telling the truth.


Obama is the best thing that ever happends to Fox, Rush,Beck and the rest of them. I mean really what will they talk about after he leaves? He is their cash cow. Losing him is like the cubs moving out of "that ballpark"


Please, Glenn Beck, tell us what to think. We are nothing without. you.

Yours truly,
The Archie Bunker Nation


jack?
Ft. Benning Jack??


"In the ongoing struggle between the White House and the FOX News Channel, the Obama administration's direct rebuttal of what FOX's Glenn Beck and a guest"

The guest, which Sliva refuses to name, was Pat Cadell - a DEMOCRAT pollster!

Hey Silva, does your wife work for a Dem organization??


Fox "News" literally incites violence through their false accusations, scare mongering, and thinly-veiled racism. Pres. Obama is smart to treat Fox "News" as the partisan propaganda machine that it is.


Seems to me like it's Silva, not Fox News, that's telling a slanted story. Why no mention of who the guest was?


Its fun to watch these right wing nutjjobs go through their anguish at seeing Obama in office. He has saved this country form financial ruin. History will remember Obama as the greatest President and forget these nutjobs for the useless fools that they are.


The ignorant trash hillbillies who actually watch Fox news expecting to view, oh something approximating news, actually do deserve the likes of Glen Beck and that Laurie Dhue. Like begets like. And apparently dumb also begets dumb.


they didn't even get what Beck was saying right.

I can't believe a Chicago newspaper believes that none of the usual players in Chicago stand to benefit enormously from the Oympics.

Unions, the mob and Daley are praying right now.

I think the Duffs are gearing up for a comeback.


If I were Obama, I'd hate FOX, too. They're the only ones that have the gumption to report the unadorned (and unadoring) truth.
Valerie Jarrett, Michael Scott, et al WILL benefit financially, and so will the Obamas in the long run. Read Culture of Corruption to see how it's done. Chicago politics is disgustingly filthy. Anyone who believes that money, our taxpayer money, will not flow like a river into the pockets of cronies is truly naive. No wonder they bought "hope/change/transformation" from a product of the Chicago machine.


Too bad the White House isn't listing all the errors the other networks have made too. Then we could have a contest on who lies more! As if the other networks aren't in the tank for Dems!


I don't know how anyone can honestly watch Glenn Beck and not see that he is a phony. His pathetic "emotions" and how much he "loves" his country is simply a ploy to fool uneducated easily swayed conservatives. The man spouts half truths and contradicts himself on a regular basis sometimes within the same broadcast. The man claims the President is a racist and has deep seated hatred for whites, the mans mother is white. I sincerely doubt the man hates white people when an entire side of his family is white. The Fox News Channel in general is the most biased news network out there, when Bush was in office he could do no wrong and now no matter what Obama does he is a socialist tyrant. Funny how the man who approved torture and spyed on american citizens is the good guy and the man who is trying to give everyone healthcare is the ruthless dictator. If people wanna watch Beck be my guest but do yourself a favor and watch some other programs as well and read some different views, do your research instead of listening to a one sided phony. The man bashed healthcare in America when he worked for CNN and now that he works for FOX claims we have the best healthcare in the world. He makes money off foolish people by scaring them into false beliefs.


If Mark Silva wants to make incendiary comments about "online czars", he should not be contributing posts to The Swamp.

In the context of the use and misuse of the term "czar" at this time, the humor attempt, unfortunately, was inappropriate and unprofessional.

There are plenty of outlets for humor, and commentary if Silva wants to be a pundit. Not here, as long as he's a contributor.


So basically what the neo-nazis here are saying is that it is okay for Fox to lie as long as long as the lies are against the Obama? That is their idea of open talk and transparency?


Is anyone really surprised that Fox News is full of it?


One important comment about Chicago. Mayor Daley hosted an Air and Water Show on public land, inviting 2 Million people onto a small parcel of space for 3 days. Understandably it was left a disasterous and dangerous mess, and it was the next day that he gave all city services the day off. This is just an example of what the city faces if it gets the Olympics. So if our city is too broke to clean up, how can we possibly host 3 weeks of private games on public land?


If the shoe fits.....

"Geddes may very well look like a jackass, even to liberal Sun readers."

"It's not every day we see a left-leaning paper report a story that makes a liberal with hydrophobic Fox News derangement look as petty as she really is."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/09/25/baltimore-sun-notes-liberal-maryland-womans-fox-news-derangement-syndr

I guess it is a big club


Think of ways to find truth for yourselves. Don't just regurgitate whichever news station or celebrity or congressman tell you. Find out the truth for yourselves !! Without that there is no discussion. Democracy depend on its citizens take on their civil responsibilities - understand the topic, know the facts, discuss civilly. Too much scams are floating on the surface, the air waves. It's sad how some people are just mouths and no-brain !


Haha, you guys on here. Almost all of your comments are the same rhetoric "You morons who believe Glenn Beck cant think for yourself." Yet everything you say is the same. Nothing like being a liberal... cause you aren't a moron... you are in a herd of independant minds!

The truth about the Vancouver statement was Glenn accidently said the wrong city. The correct city actually was 1b in debt and Vancouver is already over budget.....But, as a true liberal mind, as the minds are in the White house, you are either too dim to understand what someone meant or lack the cognetive depth to focus on the real argument. Instead you tend to focus on something else... that usually ends up calling the person dumb. Much like the poor grammar in my post which was intentional to see how many of you try to attack that and not the point of my post


It just makes me laugh looking at the posts from the libtards...

I call it Fox Derangement Syndrome (FDS)...

So you have ONE network that may bend to the right & yet you completely ignore the fact that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CNN Headline News, MSLSD, NY Times, LA Times, Washington Compost, etc ALL lean or are far to the left....

Libtards are so upset b/c the lefty 'news' outlets are FAILING!

FDS occurs when they're too jealous of Fox's success... what they fail to realize is that Fox News wouldn't even exist if the Mainstream Media hadn't lost it's collective journalistic moorings and gone far adrift to the left.

(and let's not forget, Fox News has all the hot babes - not old, androgynous whiners!)


Anyone with at least half a brain knows that Fox News is the biggest political cult organization in the US. That's why their followers have less than half a brain.


Howdy,
What bothers me about all of these replies is whatever side a person seems to be on a large number of folks from the other side imply you are stupid.
Most all of you should be ashamed.
Your Mom


FOX is the "BEST" news station on air at this time ........


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