White House vs. FOX News: Round four

After the widespread education of the American public with regards to the Obama campaign using Alinsky tactics on their political opponents, now, when the White House singles out a person or a network for criticism they look more transparent, petty and weak. And, President Obama looks more and more like a turtle on a fencepost.

Good don't back down. The democrats have had a free ride for to long with most of the MSM and now its not work like it once did.

Why is Murdoch hanging out with Communists? Who's on the other end of his Balckberry? I demand to know! Can we trust this red to run the onbly network that loves America?

It seems that the Obama White House can dish it out but is very thin skinned and cannot take any criticism in return. They object to Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity but have no problem with some of the outrageous comments that have come out of Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz and Rachel Madlow on MCNBC. My advice to anyone looking for a unbiased news report is to avoid both Fox and MSNBC at Night. Watching either of those networks and their Left and Right Wing commentators at night is like watching Professional Wrestling of the News. There is no objective discussions on the issues and little facts or sometimes NO facts to back up what those commentators are saying. What all these shows do is feed into the anger, hatred, and ignorance of the Left Wing Crazies and the Radical Right Wing Fringe.

Fallon, you just don't make any sense.

Obama Administration: Yeah, we're pretty much completely incompetent and reckless, but hey Fox News is totally against us, or something.

When people call Faux news "right wing propaganda" and "the media arm of the Republican party" it isn't trash talking, it's the truth.

Check out these pro-Bush internal memos from Faux management. If this isn't propaganda I don't know what is.
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http://mediamatters.org/research/200407140002
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/
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I don't know why Faux News still has its license. They routinely give wrong or misleading information and get away with it. When Mark Foley (R-FL) got in trouble in '06 for coming-on to male interns, Fox had a D after his name. You can say it was a mistake, however, later in the evening when the show was replayed, the D after his name was removed, but did they add the R as they were supposed to? No. Just left it blank. Couldn't let you know their guy did something like that. Better to leave you guessing and let you think maybe he's a Democrat - NOT!

When Scooter Libby was convicted, every single channel broke in with the story with a banner at the bottom saying, Scooter Libby Convicted or Guilty. He was charged with five felonies, and convicted on four. What did Fox have on their banner? Unbelievably, their banner was, "Scooter Libby Innocent!" What? That's right, their banner focused on the one charge on which he was not convicted. Really people, the story was the conviction, not the one not-guilty charge! And, the only reason he wasn't convicted on that charge was he stonewalled the federal prosecutor who referred to it as his having, "kicked sand in the face of the prosecutor." He should have been convicted on all five.

These are just two examples, they give wrong information all the time, and if that's the only news you watch, you think it's true. That's the danger, spreading false/propaganda information based on their right-wing, big business old white guy agenda. The only reason so many people watch Fox is it's carried by absolutely every cable service as part of basic cable. That isn't the case with MSNBC, it's not on everyone's basic cable. They're getting viewers by default. Too bad. Wake up, people, check out some other news sources.

Dems get their information from a variety of sources whereas the Repugs ALL gather at the Faux "News" trough to get fed their daily talking points, like the toothless rubes they are.

Dems want to know the truth, Repugs want Faux to reinforce their belief that Jesus rode a dinosaur and the Earth is flat....that explains Faux's ratings. Big deal....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs

Is it too soon to charge Fox News with the death of the newspaper.

That is what happens when one person owns a network as large as FOX. Rupert Murdoch was just over in England trying to get legislation to charge for e-mails on the internet. Send that greedy, old, right wing nut back to Australia. Deport him if necessary. He runs around the world acting like a partisan bully. Remember the Republicans never do anything for this country they only do things to this country.

Faux news deserves to be mocked and detested but not legitimized. I'll never forget the way that producer was trying to whip the teabaggers into a frenzy for the cameras. They've done as much damage with their lies as the corporate media has done with its complacence
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http://vodpod.com/watch/2213591-fox-news-producer-caught-rallying-912-protest-crowd

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After the widespread education of the American public with regards to the Obama campaign using Alinsky tactics on their political opponents,
Posted by: Fallon | October 16, 2009 2:15 PM
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Really? What tactics were those? Was it when you Repukelicans called Obama the "anti Christ"? Was it when you Wingnutters said Obama "hangs around with domestic terrorists"?

We're confused, why don't you fill us in?

Fox Noise Channel is making a fortune off of the low IQ Teabaggers who make up the Republican base. It's kind of funny in a sick and twisted sort of way.

I have a friend who's a Dem and ever since these Right Wing whackjobs started holding their Teabagger tantrums he started selling anti Obama bumper stickers and buttons to them on the internet. He's laughing at them all the way to the bank.

Any news outlet (Faux) that would feature Crazy Glenn Beck is not a news outlet, it's a comedy channel.

I wonder what Beck's next gimmick will be?

An hour long special on eating lead paint chips? 30 minutes of pro-paint chips people, and 30 minutes of anti-paint chips people?

Or maybe he'll discuss the pros and cons of putting your hand in the toaster. He can bring in Orly Taitz, foremost expert on hand-toaster interactions, and Michael Scheuer on how Obama's Hitleresque government is trying to take away your freedom to stick your hand in your toaster whenever you want.
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Fox "News" is a joke and those that continue to delude themselves that Fox is a real news outlet are pitiful; simple as that.

Since it's inception, Fox has been the propaganda and communication outlet for the Republican Party with not only 100% conservative opinion programming, but also pretending to report "news", when, in fact, they slant everything to walk in lockstep with GOP talking points. They have positioned themselves as the official opposition to the Obama Administration rather than reporting on it. The network's blatant cheerleading for the teabaggers is a great example of this, right down to an off camera producer pumping up the crowd to make a better shot.
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http://dailyhurricane.com/2009/09/more-on-the-fair-balanced-network.html

The true crime here is that not even FOX believes what they are saying is fact. I think they know they are misinforming and lying (how could you NOT) and they care more about ratings and the power they have over their audience than actually doing their job as a supposed "news" channel.

I mean, if they cared about the facts, then they wouldn't already have a court victory under their belts that stated they aren't obligated to provide factual information to inform their viewers. This was regarding their covering up a Monsanto story related to some cow milk-production drug.

So if Fox is willing to go to an actual court of law, and argue they are not obligated to provide factual information to viewers, why should we give them ANY credibility that they would even believe THEIR version of supposed facts. I don't think they do. I think they KNOW they lie and misinform and as long as their ratings are high, they couldn't care less.

Communications Director Anita Dunn should get her hands on a copy of Going Rouge, and make sure she's photographed going to work with it.

Fox carries the side of stories that haven't been written by the white house press corps. Dems are just too stupid to realize that as they are getting their information from a "variety of sources" those sources are fed directly from the liar's teleprompter or his chicago thugs.

More importantly, if not for the WSJ and the Financial Times it would be easy to believe that the economy is improving with all the happy talk in the left wing news each day. Of course the economy is doing fine for the close to 50% that don't pay income taxes but for the people and businesses being forced to support these losers, Fox is getting much closer to reporting reality.

BTW, to the person asking about Alinsky, it means when you have a lib position, which by definition can't be supported with experience or reason, attack and denigrate your opponents. Confrontation on the merits of the issue is the wrong approach because its doomed to fail.

You leftists continue to prove why you are the most dangerous people on the planet. Your fanatical support for crazy radicals that cite Mao as someone that they look up to shows that you will blindly get behind anybody and support them no matter what. And, you justify supporting mass murder of 60 million people because of a TV station. How twisted is that?
Nobody elected Mao, I mean Obama to become a dictator that uses his power to destroy the opposition. Or did they?
You that support using facist tactics can continue to show your support right here.

I actually flipped over to Fox Loon Central last night and was mesmerized into a glassy eyed state listening to Glenn Beckerhead waxing philosophical about Mao Tse TUNG--actually had a tough time flipping back to what I really wanted to watch! Was just unbelieveably mind numbing, just like being stoned.

Fox "news": News by crackpots for crackpots.

You really think it is OK that a member of our government admires this?

"A revolution is not the same as inviting people to dinner, or writing as essay, or painting a picture... A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another."

Since you are all so into class warfare, like Obama why don't you admit that you are Marxists? Are you such chickens that you can't stand up and proudly proclaim, just like Obama, that you are a Marxist. No, you're going to continue to be little weasels and hide. To be underhanded little termites that feed off what is left of a once great nation.

The real question is why Fox News is the ONLY American news medium willing to question the Obama administration about anything? Where are the other media? Where are the Tribune, Times, Post, ABC, NBC and CBS? How did they all get to be toadies of the White House? The traditional role of the media is to be adversaries of the government, not to be in bed with it.

So if Fox is willing to go to an actual court of law, and argue they are not obligated to provide factual information to viewers, why should we give them ANY credibility that they would even believe THEIR version of supposed facts. I don't think they do. I think they KNOW they lie and misinform and as long as their ratings are high, they couldn't care less.

Posted by: Patrick Sandberg | October 16, 2009 3:25 PM

Good point, so CBS has no credibility after Rather forged documents to prove his anti Bush story. NBC put explosives in GM pickups to make them look like they explode. They all fabricate and/or slant their stories.

That Fox is gaining popularity is not surprising, people are getting tired of "news organizations" that blindly repeat the lies of this white house and congressional leaders. Name one network that challenged the liar in chief's 8% unemployment ceiling when he rammed through the stimulus. Name one network that challenged the original deficit numbers put out by the white house. Numbers that were revised upwards by $2 trillion less than two months later an almost 30% increase.

No libs, I'm afraid you are just going to have to start thinking for yourselves. Fox news presents their news from a conservative perspective and they don't do much to hide it. The others profess to be objective but clearly aren't. Libs are so used to lying to prove their points, they apparently think it is ok to lie on behalf of the administration and call it news.

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal government. The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2] He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and executed on June 11, 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

If this nutjob were alive today I have no doubt that he would be a leader in the Fox News led Teabagger movement.

Looks like we either have another Gus or someone who is an imposter. For the record, Gus the original will be my name going forward.

Kudos to the WH for pounding Fox - it's working because the focus remains on them defending their illigitimacy going forward. Everytime they lie - the will no longer get the "Cheney I will only go on Fox coward coverup".

Obama=wins again.

"Of course the economy is doing fine for the close to 50% that don't pay income taxes but for the people and businesses being forced to support these losers, Fox is getting much closer to reporting reality."

Hans is right. I just read a shocking tragic story, that Golman Sachs pay per emploee is ONLY $526,000. Can you believe that? How do those people scrape by, living in such crushing poverty. They habve it sooooo hard at the top. Thank God we have Fox, WSJ an IBD to tell us of the shoking plight these people live with every day!

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091015-713919.html

Please dig deep and give all you can to help a Banker near you.

More twisted logic and hate from Karen. NOBODY HERE IS SUPPORTING TIMOTHY McVEIGH. You leftists ARE supporting people that admire history's Biggest Mass Murderer.

Posted by: Karen Martinson | October 16, 2009 4:13 PM

Karen, apparently you weren't paying attention when this nut retalitated against a dem led government that had no problem shooting and burning to death members of a church. What he did was wrong but doesn't mean that Reno was right or that the government didn't overstep its authority.

We had eight years of lib whining that Bush was trampling on citizen's rights and not a peep from the libs that some gun nut was going to go postal. If the libs feel threatened now, it is because they know they are trying to trample peoples rights and they are afraid of being called on it.

Karen, comments like yours shows how much the left has swallowed the crap put out by left wing media.
Teabaggers? They want their country back from an abusive, out of control government. Many of them are Democrats. But you wouldn't know that because you get your "information" from the totally biased leftist media. Polls show that the majority of Americans don't approve of Congress, approval of 21% that means that Congress and people like you are a fringe group.

Now that Fox is being called out on their BS I expect to see these themes from them in the coming days:

Fox News suffering on the cross.
...fed to the lions.
...burned at the stake.
...disemboweled.
...water boarded.
...raped and murdered.

I expect all of them to be used by Beckerhead.

Oxymoron = Fox News

You can't issue a retraction if you don't produce the news.

As long as nuts like Billo the Clown O'Reilly and Glenn Beck are among the leading spokes-people for the GOP, they will never be taken seriously as a political party again:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2YDq6FkVE

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Posted by: Patrick Sandberg | October 16, 2009 3:25 PM
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I hate to tell you this, Patrick, but no so-called ‘news’ outlet is under any legal obligation to provide the unvarnished truth. The only legal obligations the ‘press’ has to the truth is to refrain from lying in a way that causes injury (i.e. defamation & fraud) and to not invade a person’s privacy. Lies that cause no foreseeable to any particular person are fair game. To use the example from Planet Wingnuttia: Who lost a penny because Fox News reported that Scooter Libby was acquitted (of one out of four counts)?
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But that’s not just true of Fox News. If you think for a second that you are getting the straight news from ABC, CBS, (MS)NBC, or any others single news outlet, you are mistaken. It has become fairly impossible to get an unbiased story from anyone - especially if the subject is highly controversial or emotional. In these latter cases, the urge to interpret the news for the audience (and correspondingly edit out material facts) seems to be irresistible. I mean, do you seriously think that the news and commentary from MSNBC are free from partisan slant and (God forbid) lying?

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Fox news presents their news from a conservative perspective and they don't do much to hide it. The others profess to be objective but clearly aren't. Libs are so used to lying to prove their points, they apparently think it is ok to lie on behalf of the administration and call it news.

Posted by: Hans | October 16, 2009 4:10 PM
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Fox news presents their news from a conservative perspective and they don't do much to hide it?

Ha Ha Ha, yeah, I guess you could say that - if you consider Faux's "conservative perspective" that of a petulant 6 year old on a sugar high.

Here's a sample of Faux's "conservative perspective".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edYeqzTJci4

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I mean, do you seriously think that the news and commentary from MSNBC are free from partisan slant and (God forbid) lying?

Posted by: John W. | October 16, 2009 11:15 PM
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Bircher Boy,
No "news" outlet even comes close to presenting as much BS (on a daily basis) to their audience as Faux does. Not. Even. Close.

You can go back to picking the gold fillings out your teeth for money now, you loser.

2010 is coming on fact. Now its getting fun. Wait until the MSM get their orders from the DNC.

LOVE that Rupert Triptych photo array:

Dr. Evil contemplates what he will have for lunch and which courtesan he will diddle later in the afternoon.

Better Fox news than the Communist News Network...You know, the one owned by "I married Hanoi Jane"

Don't like what you hear or see? Just change the channel...don't force me to listen to anyone! We should enjoy our choices and protect them.

Huh?

Good name for the posts you make

Here's a little research on the coverage from from the 2008 election - see who is presenting more balance.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1011/color-of-news-coverage

MSNBC stood out for having less negative coverage of Obama than the press generally (14% of stories vs. 29% in the press overall) and for having more negative stories about McCain (73% of its coverage vs. 57% in the press overall).

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1011/color-of-news-coverage

REALLY no bais on MSNBC!

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Posted by: huh? | October 17, 2009 4:20 AM
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You know, it’s funny: I re-read my post and I didn’t see where I defended FNN. I merely pointed out that one can’t get the truth from any MSM outlet. I never excluded FNN from that criticism. To an intelligent person, that would suggest that I included FNN in the group of media outlets that one cannot trust. In which case, your attack against me for supposedly defending FNN is further proof that you are either delusional, dumb as a post, or both. (My vote is for ‘both.’)
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Furthermore, I am curious to know: How do you know that FNN puts out more BS than other MSM outlets unless you watch it yourself? (And, no, I’m not particularly defending FNN. I’m just questioning your basis of knowledge.) I thought it was beneath you to watch it. Or, perhaps, you just accept, as true, the buzz that gets passed around at DailyKos. Is that it? I think it’s the latter because you never know what you are talking about. You just spew the same BS talking points from others, many of which you cut and paste from others, word for word. You can’t think for yourself and you wouldn’t know the truth if someone beat you up with it (which has already happened here on the Swamp many, many times.)
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Which brings me to another point: I do not belong to the John Birch Society. Unlike those folks, I don’t search for communists under every bush, and I don’t make an entire political philosophy out being “against” stuff. I oppose only what is inconsistent with what I support - but I am mainly “in favor” of positions - like freedom and constitutional orthodoxy. Alas, I fear this distinction will be lost on you too.
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Finally, I wouldn’t dare have gold fillings. (You moron.)

I hate to disappoint the people who accuse Fox of lying. Fox featured videos and newspaper clippings during the campaign showing the radical associations of Obama that he was claiming not to have, or that other media didn't show. That clued me he wasn't the moderate people seemed to think he was, and that he probably wouldn't bring about a more honest and transparent government like he said he would. Too bad there weren't enough other people who saw those videos and clippings. I expected him and the unchecked Democrats to do just the kind of government takeovers happening since he became President. I expected him and the unchecked Democrats to do just the kind of horrendous spending done since he took office, with more coming. (Wait til you see the taxes that will come.) I figured that he couldn't be trusted anymore than most other politicians. I'm sorry to say he hasn't shown me I was wrong.
I watch CNN, MSNBC as well as Fox. I find Fox news, Dylan Ratigan on morning MSNBC and Lou Dobbs on CNN to be the places I go when I want to find out the truth of things going on in our rotten government, no matter which party is in power.
I saw the video of Anita Dunn giving the speech to high school students, naming Mao Tse Tung as one of her favorite political philosophers. It was disgusting. The school principle who allowed it should have been fired. Anyone who admires a man who killed 60 million people has no business being in our government.
What happened to Americans admiring our founding fathers? Maybe it went out when honor, God and patriotism became politically incorrect. Those were the things that made this the greatest country in the world. We will pay a price for turning our backs on those principles. We've already begun paying the price.

Will the left call "racism and rip-off" come Nov 2010 and 2012? Will the do that next month? I bet MSNBC does.

Wow. Can't believe the whitehouse has bee stupid enough to get sucked into this. The result will be that more people wil feel that the administration is engaging in socialist type behaviors (shut out the opposing voices), and more people will give Fox's commentators credibility for exposing it.

STOP the rhetoric, on both sides!! There is more important issues than the fact that someone doesn't agree with you, change the channel. The White House is spending valuable time with this? My husband is deployed, do something about him and all the other troops, I believe they deserve the respect of an administration who is focused on a group of people who are putting their lives on the line. How dare you be distracted by petty words, how old are you? Forget Fox News make jobs, fix banks, stop wars, where is your focus. My husband and his peers deserve better.

Well, I'm a somewhat well educated person with a BA in political science, an MPA, JD and LLM in taxation, have all of my teeth and watch Fox News on a regular basis. As someone with a much higher IQ than 99% of the American public, I find it ironic that the alleged elite will bash those who disagree with their opinions. The derisive comment du jour is to label that person as someone who licks the scrotum and testicles of another (teabagger). Wow, that's enlightened discourse!! As a simple Fox watcher, I could never come up with an attack so creative. Unfortunately, the vitriol of the left is designed to mask the serious inferiority of the ideals that Dems have pushed for years and which is coming to light now that the Dems have control of Congress. They can now push their plans through but the harsh reality is that their plans might make sense in a classroom or a cocktail party. However, when confronted with economic realities these Utopian ideas are misguided.

Fox news at least admits that their OP-ED slant is to the right. Hannity is the only one who seemingly had an oath of fealty to GW, everyone else had varying degrees of critisim on OPINION shows. ABC. NBC, and CBS won't even confess their left leaning.

Can anyone show me any footage from any of these networks that has been critical of the president just to verify their neutrality? no? Gotta go back to GW's era for that? well, I guess if NBC, CBS and ABC hav'nt been able to find anything to criticize Obama for, FOX aught to just drink a big glass of shut the hell up because obviously things are going so well we can all just tune into cartoon network and forget about current events because people far superior to us got things well in hand in washington, and the news media will let us know if any thing goes wrong by interupting regularly sceduled programming if necessary.
On a tangentaly related issue,-
I wonder if Obama has them look him in the eyes when he... Oh never mind.