Senate blocks Guantanamo-saving bid

Dear Republicans/Teabaggers,

Thanks for making clear that "home of the brave" refers only to US Democrats, since we aren't peeing our pants at the thought of Gitmo inmates on US soil.

With love, the DNC
xoxoxo

Watch the GOP nutjobs gnaw on this bone. It will distract their attention while we pass a health care bill.

Meanwhile, America gets to put our principles and rule of law on display for the world to see by giving this group a fair trial. There's no need to hide them from the world like Bush did.

Seems that Democrats are willing to face their fears, and have trials for the terrorists.

Republicans are so scared that the terrorists are somehow going to nuke New York from a maximum security prison that they're wetting themselves.

Now, who needs to "man up" again?

Anything can be used by Al Qaida as a recruiting tool. Relocating GTMO detainees to another facility would also be a recruiting tool. It doesn't matter where the location is, the only difference is the name and geography changes.

Sen. Durbin still shows he had no credibility.
Why spend money as the prision is more safe in Cuba with millitary guards plus creatre another mess like having the trials in N.Y.

As we all know, Republicans are collectively sucking their thumbs in a fetal position over the fact that alleged terrorists will be tried in an American court of law on American soil. Their claim is that to follow the American Constitution by putting terrorists who have attacked Americans before American judges and American juries, will somehow endanger the American people.

That Republicans are Un-American in their desire to circumvent our own Bill of Rights is self-evident. That they are Un-American in their cowardice when faced with two-bit extremist thugs is obvious. That they lack any sense of decency in their attempts to terrify an unassuming American public is clear, but has been a mainstay of their party going back over half a century. But none of this explains why the Republicans have chosen to wimper so pathetically over the prospect of a few terrorists going on trial.

The reason is simple: they're afraid that their own policies of torture and indefinite detention will get the terrorists acquitted. So, like a stupid criminal, they're upping the ante by doubling down on their original criminal idiocy.

And when the masterminds of 9/11 and other terror attacks are convicted and safely locked away in American prisons after their convictions in spite of the torture-related hurdles thrown at them by the incompetent and immoral policies of the Bush Administration, Americans will be reminded that extra-legal and extra-Constitutional measures are not actually needed. They will be reminded that the Bill of Rights and the American system of jurisprudence will work to protect the innocent and punish the guilty if allowed to do its job.

Republicans aren't terrified of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his possible ill deeds. They're afraid of what will happen if their own actions are brought to light, and what the consequences of their own ill deeds might ultimately be for the American people. All of which is par for the GOP course.

1. How exactly has Al Qaeda used Gitmo as a recruting tool?
2. Whether they do or not, why would we determine how we handle Al Qaeda prisoners based on the feelings and attitudes of Al Qaeda?
3. What is wrong with holding Al Qaeda prisoners at Gitmo?
4. Obimbo and Eric Holder say whether KSM and his gang are found guilty or not, they will still never be free. So, how exactly, is that any different than now? And, if by some chance a jury does let them go and we don't release them, won't that make the U.S. look even worse?
5. Whether Thomson becomes a supermax security prison or not, wouldn't Al Qaeda try something? Isn't it better to keep them at Gitmo, which can be accessed only by water, is a military base, and more safe than somewhere in Illinois?
6. By proclaiming their guilt, isn't the jury selection process tainted to where they cannot get a fair trial?
7. Who exactly will make up the jury of their peers?

These are questions the mainstream media should be asking, but don't.

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Whether Thomson becomes a supermax security prison or not, wouldn't Al Qaeda try something? Isn't it better to keep them at Gitmo, which can be accessed only by water, is a military base, and more safe than somewhere in Illinois? These are questions the mainstream media should be asking, but don't.
Posted by: John D, still right, as usual | November 17, 2009 5:08 PM
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Lil' Johnny 40+ YearOldVirgin,

Nice to see that you're still wetting your pants in fear, I'd be disappointed if you changed.

If we use your logic, Al-Qaeda would have already attcked Cuba by now.

Grow a pair Lil Johnny D, would ya.

Why do Republicans fear the US Constitution and the rule of law?

Hmmmm....

Oh yeah, they're scared sh*tless that the torturing and war crimes they committed will be exposed for everyone to see in court.

Nevermind.

The usual Swamp coverage of an issue debate.
One Republican quoted, a total of 10 words.
Three Democrats quoted, a total of 89 words--almost 9 to 1 Democrat.
Why are the Democrats who write for the Swamp afraid to the GOP equal time?

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Why spend money as the prision is more safe in Cuba with millitary guards plus creatre another mess like having the trials in N.Y.

Posted by: Inky | November 17, 2009 4:24 PM
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What ever happened to the first al-Qaeda Twin Towers terrorists?

Oh yeah, THEY'RE IN AMERICAN PRISONS AFTER BEING CONVICTED BY THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM !

Spell check is not a terrorist organization Inky, use it.

Now, who needs to "man up" again?

Posted by: Kung Fu Panda | November 17, 2009 4:03 PM

Obumbles does, since the majority of terrorists in Gitmo will be tried in military tribunals.
This is nothing more than a sham trial. If it is a slam dunk like Holder says it is, then the outcome is preordained. If on the other hand, torture was used, at least as defined by the pukes in the white house, then this is simply a trail against the US and they should be acquited.

But hey let's have a 4 to 5 year circus like the other terrorist trials, maybe we do an even better job explaining how we gather intelligence.

Personally, if the libs in NY are fine with holding the trial there its their choice to remain silent. I'm sure a 5 year perpetual police state would suit Obama and his brown shirts just fine. Where better to start his national police force.

If today's right-wing had their way there would have been no Nuremberg Trials. I've yet to hear anyone discuss Sarah Palin's appalling line in her 2008 RNC acceptance speech when she said:
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"Al-Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he (Obama) is worried that someone won't read them their rights?" - Sarah Palin

Yes, Sarah, we arrest people for commiting crimes, we read them their rights, and then we try them in a court of law. This is what makes America special. It is why our soldiers die. This is one of the pillars of our society. It isn't a perfect system. But I get chills down my spine when I think a V.P. candidate can draw cheers from a crowd, the second largest political party in this country, with that line!

Imagine if todays right-wing lunatics/Teabaggers were around - and were being taken seriously - after World War II.

We would have never had Nuremberg trials. The right wingers would have gone ballistic; screaming for blood and seething at the idea of bringing Nazis to justice. They would have exacted a terrible political price for trying to bring these guys to trial. So, instead of setting a history making precedent on how victors in war can be just and fair, we would have lynched those detainees, punished the rest of Germany and made the same mistake as almost every other country in history by brutally oppressing the defeated.

You think todays right wing nutbags would have gone for the Marshall Plan? Rebuilding your enemies? Giving tremendous amount of money and US resources to rebuild your two biggest adversaries who just killed millions of people in a terrible war they started? Inconceivable. They would have called the Marshall Plan an act of cowardice and appeasement that showed weakness to your enemies. They would have destroyed the greatest American diplomatic accomplishment. They would have tried to scuttle the very policies that made this country great - that made it exceptional.

But the current right-wing radicals (which includes nearly every major conservative talk show host in the country; they are nearly unanimous in their agreement that KSM should not be tried in the American justice system) aren't just crazy, they're un-American. They missed the whole point of this country. What makes America great is our justice system. We don't take people out and shoot them in the head without trials. That's what despots and dictators do. We are a country of laws, not men. We are supposed to be exceptional in our justice, fairness and jurisprudence. Right wingers don't believe in any of that. They just want blood. But we might be crazier than they are for taking them seriously.