Climate proposal has big-nation input: The Swamp
The Swamp
Chicago Tribune
Posted December 10, 2009 6:50 AM
The Swamp

by Jim Tankersley

COPENHAGEN -- In public at least, the early days of the climate summit here have been dominated by developing nations' furor over a proposed "Copenhagen Agreement" that was leaked to environmentalists and reporters on Tuesday.

But many developing nations - including China and India - in fact had a hand in drafting the so-called "Danish text," a source with deep knowledge of the negotiations said.

Developing countries including China, India, Brazil, Algeria, Ethiopia and Bangladesh had "input into the process and product" of the proposed agreement, the source said.

Representatives of those nations knew about the agreement's most controversial provisions, including commitments for greenhouse gas reductions by developing countries and a reduced role for the United Nations in climate policy, well before the summit began.

The proposal sparked breathless global press coverage, loud protests in the Bella Center, where negotiators are gathered, and a run of outraged press conferences, all from poor nations and non-profit groups that work closely with them. They complained that the draft provisions would penalize developing nations to the benefit of wealthy countries such as the United States and Denmark.

The Danish text "robs developing countries of their just and equitable and fair share of the atmospheric space," Lumumba Di-Aping, the Sudanese chairman of a coalition of developing nations and China, told reporters earlier this week.

The World Wildlife Fund's Kim Carstensen said the text "reflects a too elitist, selective and non-transparent approach."

Summit leaders have called the proposal informal and one of several drafts circulating among negotiators.

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Climate change, Global warming, global cooling all are the same scam to enrich scientists with grants, books, appearances, speeches and little to do with science. climategate outs these liars. Here is one comment from an insider:

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
The Colorado scientist described by the Washington Post as "the World's Most Famous Hurricane Expert" says the "Climategate" e-mails from the United Kingdom that revealed possible data manipulation are evidence of a conspiracy among "warmists," those who believe man's actions are triggering possibly catastrophic climate change.

"The recent 'ClimateGate' revelations coming out of the UK University of East Anglia are but the tip of a giant iceberg of a well organized international climate warming conspiracy that has been gathering momentum for the last 25 years," said Colorado State University's William Gray.
"The Politically Incorrect Guide To Global Warming" and "Red Hot LIes" both by Christopher Horner will spell out the fraud fact by fact.


Copenhagen is a $215 million junket for private-jet flying hypocritical politicians. With the only "global warming" being the hot air of their speeches. Watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp18LlWWSBw

for the video of how our climate crusaders turned down the (free) bus to take them from the airport, to opt instead for rented gas-guzzling limos.


Let me see if I follow....Right Wing Obama haterz claim the Earth IS warming (polar ice caps are shrinking) but its not the result of man-made industry, BUT global warming is a myth because the data is flawed (the Earth is cooling?)AND man made global warming is a global conspiracy between scientists, industrialists, and government officials????? You Right Wingers need help.


Posted by: Inconvenient Truth | December 10, 2009 9:37 AM
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Sigh...You just don't seem to understand we live in a post 9/11 world. Asking politicians and important leaders to ride in unprotected vehicles as a group is just dumb. Are you surprised that police officers, judges, and people with brains in general don't accepted baked goods from strangers?


Right or left or middle has nothing to do with any scientist's manipulating and distorting data to provide such a report on Global Climate Change.

Several scientists (not tens of thousands) have been caught at this game. Thier actions have tainted all other "scientific theories" on this matter that is highly debated within the scientific community. Anyone who (facts 4 u 2 digest) ignores these FACTS is nothing but ignorant and following the politcal parties shepherd into the mist.

Now, give facts instead of theories based on computer models that have been distorted, falsified and intentionaly misrepresented to create an outcome that cannot be proven.

facts 4 u 2 digest? you have nothing but your opinion, so get another name for yourself cause the one you use is an oxymoron.


Posted by: springfield | December 10, 2009 12:07 PM
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Simple question: Is the Earth currently cooling or warming?


We certainly hope any proposal has input from both developed and developing nations. What our world leaders do regarding climate change will impact each of us. Yet, research shows low awareness of the issue in general—for example, more than half of Americans say they’ve never heard of cap and trade.

As American small business owners we're on the ground here in Copenhagen to do what we can to cut through the clutter on the climate change debate for businesses and consumers. Climate finance, climate adaptation, technology transfer, REDD, cap and trade all explained at GreenDetectives.net.


well facts 4 U 2 when I got up this morning it was -1 in Chicago with a windchill of -20 if thats warming I pray the earth does'nt start cooling


well facts 4 U 2 when I got up this morning it was -1 in Chicago with a windchill of -20 if thats warming I pray the earth does'nt start cooling

Posted by: Chitown | December 10, 2009 2:34 PM
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You are the poster child for the difficulty in explaining GLOBAL climate change. You think because its cold where you are the entire Earth cannot be warming. Let me try to simplify this. Scientist picked the term GLOBAL WARMING because the Poles were warming. Rubes like you TeaBagged back, "Its cold where I'm at. You're a liar!" Now scientists are using the term Global Climate Change because the consequence of the WARMING of the Poles does not necessarily mean it will be warmer everywhere. This subject is obviously way over your head.


Dear Copenhagen: I live in Chicago. Please send us some "global warming".... if you can find any.


Erica fats 4 U just explained it and here it is, when its hot its global warming but when its cold its global climate warming change er somthin dopey like that. the subject is way over our heads and best left to a guy that invented the internet(Big Al) or a guy that saved/created a million jobs(BO)


Please watch the Great Global Warming Swindle. I watched it last month on the Sundance Channel. Global warming has been directly linked to sun spots. 95% of the green house gases in our atmosphere is water vapor. Less than 390 ppm is CO2. The majority of the CO2 in our atmosphere is coming out of the oceans. The CO2 levels lags behind global warming. This CO2 global warming theory was initially purposed on a 1970's BBC TV show about Global Cooling and it possibly saving us from the next ice age. It was then used to promote nuclear power. I haven't seen this much hysteria since the hole was discovered in the ozone layer. Chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants were taxed and banned then replaced by refrigerants made with greenhouse gases.


Ok for you MORONS out there who dont believe the earths climate is changing -and at an excelerated rate other than the last warming and cooling periods... Global Warming is the cause of Climate Change. Due to Gobal Warming, regardless of mans input or not, is happening and its effects are local Climate Changes. The west saw record droughts and heat waves. Europe the same thing. Other parts of the world saw cooling. The bottom line is that the polar ice caps ARE MELTING at an excelerated rate and will be gone within the next 15 - 20 years. If thats not enough to convince you then nothing will.


...and I would suppose the last Ice Age came to a close because of all those dinosaurs in their Hummers and those darned cavemen working in their coal-powered factories?


Tony,

"Due to Global Warming, regardless of mans input or not..." What if Global warming is not caused by man, why should we be doing any of this nonsense then?

To all you kool-aid drinkers,

Do a little research on the "Medieval Climate Optimum". How did Leif Ericson get to America?


Then from the Noble Prize winning climatologist Al Gore: "Two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, because the interior of the Earth is extremely hot — several million degrees — and the crust of the Earth is hot." From Nov 12 Leno show.

So a little more than a mile below the earth's surface, it is several million degrees? How dumb is this guy and why do you flatliners believe a word he says?


Actually, the Earth has not gotten warmer in over a decade. Climate change is a natural phenomenon and we should adapt to it. It is arrogant of anyone who thinks they can change it!!!! And yes, damn right, I don't recycle or follow any of that liberal crap!


What a great scheme to create a money funnel to the pockets of the few elite who scam the public with an unscientific doomesday scenario, where heavier-than-air plant food (carbon dioxide) is going to kill us all. To prove their case, they show us many smokestacks spewing out steam, which in my book is moisture which does form a warming blanket as clouds.


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