Health care: Republicans just say no

The American people, by an overwwhelming majority, have indicated that they do not approve of this bill.

They are concerned with the tax increases that are contained within, they are concerned with the potential cuts to Medicare, and they are upset with the backroom deals that made the passage of the bill possible.

The majority might of passed this bill along but the majority will face the consequences if it is the failure that many foresee!

Since Obama took the White House, the goons of the Republican party have done absolutely nothing for the benefit and welfare of the United States. They have done nada. They are the unpatriotic hypocrites who should be run out of town (along with LIEberman). It was a different story when their Boy George was the President. These morons have nothing to offer, no visions, no ideas, no plans. Nothing at all. They are bought and paid for by big corporations. They can't see straight or think straight. Let's take away all of their government socialistic health care and benefits.

YaY!!
Next step, single payer!

Happy Festivus, Swampies!

The same way Social Security and Medicare, a health care plan for our nation will benefit ALL.

Ask the republicans if they will refuse coverage from any of the above mentioned programs...

Hey, Mark, your bias is showing...

You did your best job to make the whole concept of reform look like an entirely unpopular idea. While the house and senate versions of the bills each have their own positive and negative aspects, you fail to mention that an overwhelming majority of Americans are in favor of reform.

"Many Democrats voted no as well"
(I wouldn't call 39 out of 258 "many")

"polls portray the public as wary about it, doubtful that it will help, worried that it will make things worse"
(would you like to take a second to cite some sources here...?)

"So reconciliation -- crafting a bill that both chambers can accept -- is the remaining, and perhaps toughest challenge for the legislation..."
(I sure hope you're not confusing the conference process with budget reconciliation, as those are two completely different processes...)

Pat H. is wrong. The American people do want this health coverage bill. It's the insurance companies that don't want this bill because now they will not be able to deny people coverage because of a pre-existing condition or arbitrarily deny life-saving treatment because some insurance bureaucrat decides its too new or too experimental or too expensive. With this historic vote America - after almost a century of talking about it - finally catches up with the other developed nations on the planet in giving its citizens (almost) universal health coverage. 60% of all personal bankruptcies are the result of medical bills. Now insurance companies will not be able to impose an arbitrary financial cap on medical treatment then pass the rest of the costs to the premium holder. Hooray for the Obama and the Democrats.

Doug R., naive people like you are the reason that we elected a Socialist President and why you, your children and your children's children will suffer greatly with a healthcare system, when incrementally destroyed, will be far inferior to what we now have. Lemmings like you can not grasp the concept that the "government doing something" again again and again TO US, NOT FOR US is the reason that Sir Winston Churchill astutely stated:

"If you're not a liberal at 18, you haven't a heart; and if you're not a conservative at 30, you haven't a brain."

another example of legislators out of touch with those whom they claim to represent. the majority of people do not want this radical change, but the arm twisting and brides of DEMS show the dark side of politics. they should all be ashamed of themselves. if they spent this much energy on building the economy and incentives for small and medium size companiwes to offer health care we could achieve the same goal and MY taxes would not go up.

President Obama,
The American electorate does not look kindly on broken promises regarding tax hikes. Enjoy your remaining three years.

Why don't the Republicans just roll our their plan and admit that their only idea for anything related to health care is "Have money, or die"?

DougR, that's because for all the Republicans alarmist crying about "Communisim", the truth is that they have already worked very, very hard to create their own Fascist government here in the US to serve themselves and the big business they profit from. The only thing they care about when it comes to the majority of Americans (who are more patriots then them to begin with) is how to oppress them, how to exploit them, and how to personally profit off of them. These Republicans are all Fascists in the most true sense, and should be considered enemies of those who desire true freedom and traitors to the USA as a whole

Whatever.
Republicans will see a lot of "no's" come 2010 & will be sent packing.

DOUG R

I'll tell you what, if King Obama and his democrat cronis agree to drop their current healthcare and to be included in this program I'm right there with you. What are the odds? Would you be willing to bet on them taking this offer?

A majority of the American people support a public option. That has been shown in numerous polls. Why do the Tribune stories repeatedly fail to mention this? Could it be that the Republican owners and editors of the Tribune insist on leaving that important fact out of most of the stories on this issue? Instead, the stories focus on the Republican opposition and use Fox news and Republican party data to support their contentions that the public opposes this. Lousy, lousy journalism. Your reporters -- who surely know the facts, but apparently are not allowed to report them -- must be ashamed to work for such editors.

A bill so hideous that it has to be rammed through on a partisan vote on Christmas Eve. In their effort to strip our freedoms and control our lives on the way to transforming American into a socialist nation, Democrats are grossly underestimating the public's hatred for this "reform" bill and their backroom, closed-door tactics it took to pass it. Already Obama has the lowest approval ratings (see Gallop, Rasmussen, etc.) at of any president in history at this point in his term. Obama wants to put as much of the private economy under government control as possible to create his nanny state utopia where he is the boy king. Let's continue to stand strong against Obama in every way and get Congress out of the hands of the insane Pelosi and Reid in 2010. Obama is a smug, smirking con man. Nothing more.

Obama should be proud today--
One more step to his Socalism------

Republicans can't refuse coverage or they'll be put in jail. Read the bill. This is the first time ever that the federal government is requiring anyone to buy anything! Wake up! This is bad.

Republicans are about reform and if you would look anywhere outside the swamp, you would know that they have proposed many smaller steps towards reform that will be much easier to test. They are just swatted down by the majority democrats that have one agenda: control.

Look, if this was just about healthcare, the package would not need to be 2200 pages! You will now need to pay a health advisor to understand this thing in addition to the accountant that you pay to understand the tax code.

FYI: You start paying for this monster next year, but don't get coverage until 2013. What was the rush.

Mark my words, our quality of care will go down. This system will go broke just like all the other government attempts to interfere. Sad thing is, we might never be able to reverse this when it fails.

Tyranny, here we come.

Merry Christmas. F--- you, Reid!

Now, tell me why people support this bill.....

"Senator Reid's health care bill increases premiums for families and small businesses, raises taxes during a recession, cuts seniors' Medicare benefits, adds to our skyrocketing debt, and puts bureaucrats in charge of decisions that should be made by patients and doctors," he said. "The bill also authorizes taxpayer-funded abortions, violating long-standing federal policy. It's no coincidence that the more the American people learn about this monstrosity, the more they oppose it.

How can people support this??????

I wouldn't vote Democrat locally or nationally. What happened to representative government? I will be voing Republican from now on.

WOW!!! EVEN A DALEY SAYS THE LEFTIE LIBTARDS HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!!

By William M. Daley
Thursday, December 24, 2009

The announcement by Alabama Rep. Parker Griffith that he is switching to the Republican Party is just the latest warning sign that the Democratic Party -- my lifelong political home -- has a critical decision to make: Either we plot a more moderate, centrist course or risk electoral disaster not just in the upcoming midterms but in many elections to come.

Rep. Griffith's decision makes him the fifth centrist Democrat to either switch parties or announce plans to retire rather than stand for reelection in 2010. These announcements are a sharp reversal from the progress the Democratic Party made starting in 2006 and continuing in 2008, when it reestablished itself as the nation's majority party for the first time in more than a decade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/23/AR2009122302439.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

EVEN THE VERY OWN TRIB SAYS THIS BILL IS A SHAM!!!
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-1224edit1dec24,0,3305796.story

Sir Winston Churchill astutely stated:

"If you're not a liberal at 18, you haven't a heart; and if you're not a conservative at 30, you haven't a brain."

Posted by: TheRealityBytes | December 24, 2009 9:07 AM

Ya, one of the biggest known political alcoholics in history! I wonder how many cocktails Sir WC had when he said that?!

Why is something so important to the American people just being Ram Rodded down the throats of the of its citizens? This is not about how a democrat or republican voted. These issues run much deeper. Why is our government passing legislation not wanted by the majority of its people? In the past thirty plus years both parties have lost touch with the average American citizen. They just play good cop bad cop while passing their agenda laden legislation. It is nearly impossible for another political party in the current "clique". This coming election people should seriously look at a candidate NOT from the Democrat or Republican party and see how the candidate aligns with their views. The mentality of most people in the past have felt they wasted their vote on a third party candidate since the clique has yet to be broken. Obama said change needs to happen, well it's time the voting citizens WAKE up and take some of that change into their own hands. If enough people vote third party we will see the change we as a country are seeking.

Well, we're screwed. Congratulations, the government just put us so deep into a hole that we will never, ever...ever....ever recover.

I'd compare it to what FDR did back in the 30's, but I think it actually surpasses it.

So everyone is going to live forever now? Thanks Darth Obama!

An example of the usual idiocy that makes up the loony left:

Whatever.
Republicans will see a lot of "no's" come 2010 & will be sent packing.

Posted by: RomanB | December 24, 2009 9:16 AM

Roman, dear, ALL polls show a significant turn to the Republican party by the American voter. ALL polls show that MOST Americans do not want this bill.
One loon does note that most Americans want reform. That is true, but they DO NOT want this bill or more government. What Americans DO want with health care reform are things like tort reform, portability, greater competition, etc. These things can at the least hold the line on health care costs or at best bring costs down some. They do NOT want more government entitlement programs that do nothing but enhance inefficiency and add to the already out-of-control deficits. They also do not want more taxes.
The Left has just about ruined this country, which is what the goal has been for decades now anyway.

Well the Senate just passed the latest unemployment bill. The job and business destruction bill, aka health care, can now go to the House which can create compromises to further increase unemployment and bankrupt businesses. You see, the Democrat Party gets votes from unemployed people because they have declared themselves the party of the downtrodden. Never mind that they caused the problem! You can't fix stupid!

Sanford - In no way has Obama or congress for that matter jeopardized their relationships with the insurance companies. You are a fool if you think this bill effect the insurance companies in anyway other than financial gain.

I am an American and I DID NOT want this bill.

I'm proud to be part of the so called "party of no". No more socialism, no more stealing from me to "spread the wealth, no more endless squandering of the money they steal from us and will steal from our (and your) children. You liberals in IL must be in ecstasy, you have a liberal State, and a liberal Federal Govt. How can things get any better for you? No more complaints please, and let's take a breather for blaming Bush for everything going back to the black plague. PS: I suspect nect November you may see some "change you can believe in".

Laughably biased article, typical for the DNC Swamp.
To give but two examples:
1) The headline: "Health care: Republicans just say no". The fact: NO Republican said "no" to "health care". They said no to the tax and spend and control senate Democrat bill.

2) The White-House-approved "say no" mantra. Fact: Republicans said no to the Democrat bill just as Democrats said no to the Republican Amendments. Yet I can't remember a DNC Swamp headline "Democrats just say no".

Whatever.
Republicans will see a lot of "no's" come 2010 & will be sent packing.

Whatever.
Republicans will see a lot of "no's" come 2010 & will be sent packing.

Posted by: RomanB | December 24, 2009 10:44 AM

WISHFUL THINKING, MY FRIEND . . . IT WILL BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. MANY DEMS ARE RETIRING AS THEY KNOW THEY WILL LOSE. MANY OTHERS WILL LOSE. SEA CHANGE COMING IN 2010 . . .

I laugh when I read the comment of some dense Republican who says that health care reform will "strip our freedoms". This from the Party that brought us illegal wiretapping and the Patriot Act. And oh how they scream about the costs of providing a level of health care to their citizens, but cheer and thump their chest while spending billions upon billions invading/occupying countries far from our shores. The irony of the appellation 'conservative' is hysterical.

See how much health care will cost when it is "free". What this bill does is take what is the best healthcare in the world for the vast majority of people and create of system where we will have mediocre care for all. All you have to do is look at Canada and England where this has happened.

This bill will take the incentive away for anyone to find new treatments or drugs. When you take away the profit motive you take away incentive.

This is why pets have access to the best quality treatment and equipment in Canada and people do not. There was a great story on ABC-TV which went into that. No waits for scans and surgeries.

Yet, for a person, there is not the newest and best available and there are waiting periods for many types of treatments.

This has more to do with givernment control over our everyday life than it does healthcare.

Do you really need 2000+ pages to help cover those without health insurance?

Just fix the problem, not destroy our healthcare!

I don't understand the part about being forced to buy health insurance, or else incur a fine. I've been out of work for over a year. If I could afford to buy health insurance, I would have already done so.

After inheriting the mess left by the Republicans. Finally a step in the right direction.
Thanks Obama

Like prisoners on death row, U.S. taxpayers have waited a year in anticipation of their economic execution by Congressional Democrats’, relentless to pass an unaffordable trillion-dollar health care bill that will greatly raise taxes. The health insurance bill operates similar to the parasitic Mafia. Insurance companies will first attach themselves to the host, Americans forced to buy health insurance, then suck their blood extracting higher and higher health insurance premiums, meanwhile decreasing health care services to some Americans, harming the insured they claim to protect. Reids’ health bill will hold Americans hostage to rising health costs, labor union demands in health care industries, government bureaucracies and problematically diminished levels of health service. Democrat’s are robbing taxpayers to pay for Socialists programs, bribing Congress with Pork to pass legislation that will greatly raise taxes; bankrupt America. Democracy cannot exists under such circumstances.

Get real; most Americans DO want some serious changes, even if they quibble over certain details in it.

I suppose some right-wingers would be happy if only somehow the bill permitted more unrestricted and pointless bombing, but that's how it stands right now.

Plenty of Republicans get plenty of campaign money from insurance companies, and they're not going to bite that hand.

I wish the conservative media had done more to expose this, combined with the paranoid, bigoted fears and hatred of the President that led to all this nonsense about socialist fascist communist takeovers, but hopefully the good guys will win again.

It is seems everyone is getting distracted by partisan rhetoric and forgetting the real point of health care reform - providing health care services to the American people. Our legislators are so caught up in getting a bill passed - any bill - in order to save face for the president whose administration is riding on the passage of HC reform that they don't really care what the bill contains. This leaves us all faced with a very frightening situation. Look at any statistic comparing quality of care between the current US system and existing universal HC systems in Canada and England and the facts speak for themselves. If a universal HC system is implemented in the US the quality of HC as we know it will no longer exist. What will exist will be extended wait times to see a doctor - we're talking 4-8 months versus weeks, reduction in quality equipment, and the quality of HC providers will also diminish. We're facing a physician shortage as it is, if we implement a universal system even less of our youth will want to enter the medical field -- only exacerbating our problems. We need to take the power for determining treatment away from the insurance companies and put it back into the hands of the doctors and nurses, and regulate the insurance companies forcing them to provide a low-income affordable plan. We are at a major turning point in this country's history - where do you want to end up? Still in a free-market system or in a government run socialist society. I'm all about free markets - they are what made this country great!

Sir Winston Churchill astutely stated:

"If you're not a liberal at 18, you haven't a heart; and if you're not a conservative at 30, you haven't a brain."

Posted by: TheRealityBytes | December 24, 2009 9:07 AM

Ya, one of the biggest known political alcoholics in history! I wonder how many cocktails Sir WC had when he said that?!

Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley | December 24, 2009 9:45 AM

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Earth to Scot! Winston wasn't even close to one of the biggest political alcoholic's in history, Teddy "the Killer" Kennedy was!

Meanwhile back on Mars..........

In November, the Democratic Party will take over as "the party of no." Democratic candidates will receive no votes for ramming this travesty down our throats. This is truly pathetic and a major, major step backwards for freedom and democracy. Obama is a disgrace.

Republicans are retards. Plain and simple. They take a huge majority in the House and the Senate, have a puppet president controlled by a politically savy VP with an agenda then they run up huge defecits, underfund and mismanage a unnecessary war, make our shores and liberties less safe and do nothing for any of their constituites that make less then $100K a year. They squander all the power and infuence they had, try to play the fear card at every opportuninty (socialist, nazi, death panel, birther, communist, media bias, etc., etc., etc.) and then think they are representing the majority of the public on issues of fiscal responsibility and social justice and reform. They are now drowning in their on irrelevence with less than 1 in 5 Americans claiming they are alligned with their party, ideals and platform.
You can have Mitch (Deer in the headlights) McConnell, John (Tanning bed boy) Boehner, Sarah Palin and John (reach accross the aisle,my ass) McCain. You can listen to and follow Michael (Republican version of affirmative action) Steele, Rush (Jaba the Nut) Limbaugh and Glenn (Lonesome Rhodes) Beck and his crying towel TV Crusade of misinformation and infomercial sincerity. You Republicans deserve what you have sowed. What else can explain all this but brain damage?

Interesting the rantings from the left. I will also remind people what also has left... sanity from our elected leaders (making us the United States of Europe), jobs (this bill will kill more jobs than Obama has already managed to kill), compassion (rationing will happen, reduction in choices will happen), incentive for advancements in medicine (advancements cost money, so by the government sticking it to every non-union company in the country the US will follow the UK which does not even have MRI's or CT scans because their gov run system cannot afford them), and freedom. We are in the process of ruining this country not only for ourselves but for our children and grandchildren. We will become the Argentina of North America. Watch, the world will leave the dollar standard soon, helped along by this latest communist experiment. If communism is so great go live in Russia, or China -- see what government run systems are like for the little people. You leftists are nuts.

Good luck finding a doctor if you are on medicare, once reimbursements are cut. A lot of primary care physicians already have stopped taking medicare because of the poor reimbursement. Cut it more to pay for health care and no one will take it. Most medical groups like my own don't take medicaid or limit how much we see. We still have to pay our staff and have a right to earn a living as well after all. We loose money or break even seeing medicaid. If medicare reimbursements are cut, most groups will do the same and limit or cut it out. College and medical school took 8 years total and $40k a year. I didn't go into medicine to be rich, but I do expect an incentive to invest all that time and money for my training as well as the continued time and stress of being in practice. Med students are from the top of their college classes. Do you want to start drawing from the bottom for your doctor? Doctors are villains to Obama! Thanks for the non interest in tort reform, Barack. I guess we didn't donate as much as your lawyer buddies.

Americans do want healthcare reform!!! Those of you who say we don't; you must surely have a platinumm healthcare whereas you don't need reform!!!

So speak for yourself and not for all Americans

Laughably biased opinion from blog mom Bruce.

Froma Harrop pretty much sums up the party of no:

http://www.creators.com/opinion/froma-harrop/about-the-so-called-republican-moderates.html

Dear Republicans,
You lost! Get over it! You don't want this bill???? Too bad! YOU LOST! Democrats are running the show and they are doing things Democrats want. Again. YOU. LOST!!!!!!!

I can't even begin to imagine how much our insurance premiums are going to go up because of this. The insurance companies will not lose money any by being forced to cover people with pre-existing conditions, they will just raise premiums.

Also, it should be noted that they voted to increase the debt ceiling today as well. 12.4 trillion dollars. That's $40K for each person in the USA (306,000,000 according to the 2008 census). Thanks guys! Does anyone honestly think this debt will every get paid back? Does the country really have any wealth if we are that far in debt?

It's ok to send your tax money to destroy and then rebuild Iraq. It's ok to send your tax money to other war zones for "security" reasons. It's ok to send your tax money to Isreal ( who has healthcare for their citizens). It's ok to cut taxes when the government has increased needs to fight 2 wars. It's not ok to use tax money to keep the banking system afloat. It's not ok to use tax money to keep the 2 remaining american auto companies alive. It's not ok to help americans keep their homes. It's not ok to provide a basic level of healthcare to americans. Talking about hating america, u people are nuts.

ken chicago: (snip)

You see, the Democrat Party gets votes from unemployed people because they have declared themselves the party of the downtrodden. Never mind that they caused the problem! You can't fix stupid!

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I hope you are not proposing that unemployed people shouldn't have the right to vote or am I inadvertently giving the r-cons new ideas?
It's exactly this survival of the fittest and dog eat dog mentality which the r-cons and their pathetic cheerleaders
view as an ideal society. The uninsured Americans? Nothing but roadkill. Useless eaters. Make them go away!

The r-cons are finished as a viable political party for exactly this philosophy.

I love when Republicans talk about democrats expanding gov't when the biggest expansion of gov't came about during the Reagan administration... But then what do you expect from a President who was hailed as a war-hero, and was anything but? Republicans are all about deceit... lying to the public. The opposition to health care is just more of that. It is nothing but the Republicans wanting to protect the high-profit insurance industry. And what's funny is those who set the agenda know that your average citizen Republican is to blind and lemming-like to know when they are being exploited.

FELIZ NATAL TO ALL!

Doogie,

The GOP has tried to stop the run away spending of libs by fighting against the Spendulus, Cap and Tax, and Gov't run nanny-state health insurance "reform". the next copule generations will be paying for this thru the debt BO is occurring,

Scottie Girl,

Trashing Churchill - probably the man of the 20th Century. A drunk Churchill was better than a sober FDR any day of the week.

DEMONCRATS . . . SOON TO BE THE PARTY OF "OHHH NOOOO!!!!!"

Generic Congressional Ballot

Republicans Post Eight-Point Lead On Generic Ballot

Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Republican candidates now have an eight-point lead over Democrats, their biggest lead of the year, in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

The only winners here are the drug companies, the biologics industry, the hospital companies, and the for-profit health insurance corporations. They will all get billions of government dollars piled on to their ledgers, and and millions of Americans now forced to buy their products. The vote was also a huge win for the lobbyists who just saw their profits jump thanks to this great opportunity to show their clients just how powerful their hold on Washington really is.

The bottom line is that the Republican Party doesn't care about the literal health of the American people. They are more interested in trying to score political points than work constructively on a very important issue.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Doogie,

The GOP has tried to stop the run away spending of libs by fighting against the Spendulus...
Posted by: Terry | December 24, 2009 12:54 PM
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Bwahahahahahaha You ignorant TeaBaggers are just that. Ignorant. Had you TeaBaggers, Republicans and Conservatives stopped "Spendulus" there would not have been a 65% COBRA subsidy for the past 9 months and there certainly wouldn't have been an extension adding 6 more months, which was passed and signed on Saturday. You folks have no idea what you are fighting against. You just take your marching orders from Hannity/Limbaugh/Beck/Malkin/Palin and puke out the talking points like your getting paid to do it. Retards.

Since you'll never see the "other side" of the argument from the DNC Swamp, here is a bit of the "other side": remarks by Senator (and Dr.) Tom Coburn:
"This vote is indeed historic. This Congress will be remembered for its arrogance, corruption and stupidity. In the year of 2009, a Congress ignored the coming economic storm and impending bankruptcy of our entitlement programs and embarked on an ideological crusade to bring our nation as close to single-payer, government-run health care as possible. If this bill becomes law, future generations will rue this day and I will do everything in my power to work toward its repeal. This bill will ration care, cut Medicare, increase premiums, fund abortion and bury our children in debt.

This process was not compromise. This process was corruption. This bill passed because votes were bought and sold using the issue of abortion as a bargaining chip. The abortion provision alone makes this bill the most arrogant piece of legislation I have seen in Congress. Only the most condescending politician can believe it is appropriate to force Americans to pay for other people's abortions and to coerce medical professional to take the lives of unborn children."

So, if I don't want to pay for healthcare reform and I refuse to pay the wage garnishments, or fines I incur for not paying for wife kids and myself, I could end up incarcerated? Won't I get that free healthcare plus three squares, a place for my family to lay their heads heat and a/c 24/7? Huh. I guess I've made up my mind. Thank you dummycrats and Barack Yomama, I will be confroming to your thoughts... Oh, yeah, then I will sue the U.S. Gov. for denying my right to 'Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'

Teabagger Terri,
I'll agree with you that Churchill was the greatest statesman of the 20th century. But he loved his gin. He was leaps and bounds above and beyond the fool Ronald Reagan (the most overrated President in US history) and besides Boy George Bush, probably one of the least intelligent. Reagan's SDI was a complete failure, like his personal life.
Churchill also never submitted himself to big business and lobbyists like the filthy prostitute Republican politicians do. They are their slave dogs, bought for and paid for by big business and oil. They are incapable of independent thinking.

Is it dishonest for certain legislators to argue against health care reform because "competitive" private insurance is superior, when those legislators know that the McCarran Ferguson Act gives antitrust immunity to insurance companies, and those same legislators refused to permit amendment so that there would be private competition?

Thank you dummycrats and Barack Yomama, I will be confroming to your thoughts... Oh, yeah, then I will sue the U.S. Gov. for denying my right to 'Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'

Posted by: Pella Cholla | December 24, 2009 2:12 PM

Barack Yomama? I think if you were going for the racist slant it should have been Yomoma. Also, as the Teabagger you probably are, you should have pulled your patriot sham with a "perfuit of hapineff".

Thanks for the gold-painted coal in our stockings, Senators, that you bought for a premium price using OUR MONEY. Delivered under cover of darkness, like the COMMON THIEVES THAT YOU ARE, because you know DAMN well what a piece of garbage this is and how THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT!

But don't worry. You'll get it all back AND MORE in 2010. Buy your tickets back to your home states now. And Obama may as well make the same plans for 2012.

Jackasses. Merry F'in' Christmas to you all.

Doogie,

Couldn't stop with just correcting Scottie Girl on Churchill could you?

Reagan took us from the conomic maliese of Jimmy Carter (worst president in my lifetime) and started the economic growth that lsted 25 years. Also, Reagan played a significant role in ending Communism in Eastern Europe and stopping its spread in Central America. Carter just placated the Soviets. Just the threat of SDI let the Soviets know they would lose the arms race.

As far as being prostitutes to big business, I would look at your democratic friends in Congress and the BO administration and how they snuggled up with Big Pharma during the health "reform" debate. Also, see the rise in health insurance stocks over the past week as the Seante finished their screwing of the American taxpayer.

Taxcheat,

I think there could have been an extension of COBRA subsidy w/o the remaining $700-plus billion of lard.

Trashing Churchill - probably the man of the 20th Century. A drunk Churchill was better than a sober FDR any day of the week.

Posted by: Terry | December 24, 2009 12:54 PM

How very unpatriotic of you to stick up for an avowed drunk over a crippled US President! So typical of you Swift Boaters!

And Terry is a girls name buddy no matter how you spell it! LOL!! LOSER!!

After what happened in the Senate, I hate to think what kind of horse-trading will be going on in the conference committee to reconcile these bills.

Keep your promise, Mr. President. When the final bill comes to your desk, give the CBO time to look at it. Remember, if it increases the deficit one dime, send it back!

Views on this subject I heard this morning on C-SPAN during the vote.

1. In this country we will give a cold-blooded murderer a free attorney for his defense but refuse a free doctor/medical care to someone who is sick.

2. I'd rather pay for a surgical procedure for someone in this country than pay for a military strike.

3. If a woman is contributing her fair share of tax dollars to this new health care system why should she not be able to have an abortion if she so chooses?

Sir Winston Churchill astutely stated:
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Posted by: TheRealityBytes | December 24, 2009 9:07 AM
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Winston Churchill? Wasn't he the guy running England when they nationalized healthcare?

This will go down as one of the worst things the government has ever done to America. It's a lose/lose sitation for Americans, and we'll all be paying for it for the rest of our lives as soon as the Congressional and Senate versions are synched up.

Reform? Rip off more like it. And please learn the difference between socialism and fascism! Socialism at least attempts to benefit the people. Fascism is extreme control to benefit the corporations. This health care bill which forces us to give our hard earned money to the health insurance companies is corporate fascism. And how do we know they will even pay out, or just keep denying claims like they normally do?

Scottie Girl,

Churchill saved western civillation from Nazism, he could have been a drugged out stoner for all I care.

I know at least I'm not the catcher in the pitcher-catcher relationship.

The American people, by an overwwhelming majority, have indicated that they do not approve of this bill.
Posted by: Pat H | December 24, 2009 8:21 AM
Agree with you but Congress dosen't see it that way, their vested interst is the legal graft,not the public,(political donations).
It has been very obvous during the passing of Obama Cre.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS, WINGNUTS!!!

CNN POLL: OBAMA'S APPROVAL RATING JUMPS UP TO 54% ON EVE OF HEALTH CARE BILL PASSAGE!

Some very exciting numbers coming in from CNN: Obama's approval rating is back up to a formidable 54%, with 42% of Americans now supporting the Senate's health care plan. Both of these figures are up dramatically from earlier in the month, when Obama's approval was at 48% and HCR was at 36%.

The trend is obvious: passage of the bill on 12/24 by the Senate will only further bolster these promising numbers for Obama and the Democrats in Congress, making prognostications of their doom from Left and Right a tad bit premature.

Most notable to me is that the increase in approval of the bill has come exclusively from Democrats, jumping up 10% from the most recent CNN poll. Despite the highly vocal progressive clamoring for killing the bill and blustery claims that its enactment will lose Obama his base for all time, it's now apparent that more unpopular than anything was the process, not the final product. Once the bill is passed and Obama's first major accomplishment is on the books, I think the Dems will cruise to a very comfortable midterm election and Obama will have plenty of capital to spare for the rest of his first term agenda.

Whether or not you approve of the content of the bill, the fact remains that Obama's base is still with him and he has shown the same patience and grace as an executive that he did as a candidate. We would never have arrived at this moment if he had fallen prey to the rabid 24/hr news (Faux News) cycle/blogosphere's microanalysis of every anonymous leak and Congressional development. I say congrats to President Obama and Leader Reid at getting this thing passed.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/21/cnn-poll-6-point-jump-in-support-for-health-care-bill/
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"The Week" sums up Republican angst:

THE GOP's BIG HEALTH CARE 'BLUNDER'

"With Obama on the cusp of a historic health care victory, some Republicans are grumbling about a missed opportunity"
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http://www.theweek.com/article/index/104425/The_GOPs_big_health_care_blunder
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GOP F A I L!

"Evan Bayh! When you've turned the somnolent, relentlessly centrist Indiana Senator into a raging partisan, you've really done something. The Republicans eschewed a halfway compromise and put all their chips on an all or nothing campaign to defeat health care and Obama's presidency. It was an audacious gamble. They lost. In the end, they'll walk away with nothing. The Republicans may gain some more seats in 2010 by their total obstruction, but the substantive policy defeat they've been dealt will last for decades."
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http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/the-republican-health-care-blunder
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When the media narrative (not Faux) about the bills passage becomes about how bad the Republican Party is, President Obama's repeated attempts to reach out to Republicans looks less like a fantasy and more like a great strategy to me.

And that can only help unite Congressional Democrats with future legislation. When far right Republican nutjobs like Jim Demint are saying things like if the Health Care Reform bill passes they will never be able to stop any other good legislation, it can't be all bad.

From the very start Republicans were trying to stop Health Care Reform only because it would be too great of an achievement for the Dems, which shows that Republicans are not only small minded and lack vision, they're also hateful. And Republicans praying for the incapacitation or death of another Senator (Byrd) in order to continue their obstruction for that same reason shows them to be the morally corrupt, low-life, sleazy, vile, vulgar, pieces of crap that they are to the core.

This entire HCR debacle has been a struggle between good (Dems) and evil (Repubs), with "good" winning out in the end.

Congratulations Democrats!

The Senate is on the verge of passing health care reform for the first time in decades. The House has a better bill, and committee awaits. While it isn’t everything, it’s something. Those who prematurely wrote off health reform simply got it wrong. Those who recognize how dysfunctional the Senate has become got it exactly right. But as many commenters have noted, the vibrant discussion has been on the center-left as to how to proceed, while the right has had only "death panels, socialized medicine and Hitler". No new ideas, no part in the discussion. Self-exile is painful to watch, and bad for the country. This could have been a better bill with Republican input. Instead, Eric Cantor disease has spread to the Senate, and "Just Say No" substitutes for policy discussion. It’s sad, and it’s also not going to help Republicans get back in power.

Harry Reid led an increasingly undemocratic and dysfunctional institution to a stunning victory for the majority party. He deserves an apology from any number of prominent Washingtonians. His House counterpart, Nancy Pelosi, burnished her reputation as one of the most powerful and effective Speakers in the history of Congress. Together they succeeded in unifying a fractious party representing diverse constituencies and rightfully fearful of the electoral consequences of their action or inaction.

And on another note, and seriously, does the Republican Party have any new ideas at all? ...

In reality, both parties have plenty of ideas that they would like to implement if given the political power to do so. Republicans’ policy ideas primarily involve cutting marginal tax rates and regulations for Billionaires, period, end of story. The question isn’t whether the Republican Party has any ideas. The question is whether the party has any relevant ideas.

Count me among those who consider this an awesome achievement for Democrats and President Obama. It’s a seriously flawed bill, we’ll spend years if not decades fixing it, but it’s nonetheless a huge step forward.

It was, however, a close-run thing. And the fact that it was such a close thing shows that the Senate — and, therefore, the U.S. government as a whole — has become ominously dysfunctional. The minority party (Republican) has abused the fillibuster, useing it as a way to beat back the will of the majority of Americans who voted Republicans out of office. This needs to be changed.

Thanks to the hard work of Pres Obama and the Democrats, 30 million people are on their way to gaining health care coverage and the rest of the population is gaining some bare bones regulatory protection, while less than 30% of the population (aka Republicans) are desperately trying to stop that from happening because it would be too great a political achievement for Democrats.

That’s not sausage, it’s small minded lack of vision. It’s time we recognized it for what it is. There was room, time and interest in Republican input, but the Grand Old Party has shown itself uninterested in governing. It only expends effort in chasing after Teabagger parties (when it’s not organizing them), and is going to learn the hard way that those who are unhappy with DC (and there’s plenty of reason to be) aren‘t going to gravitate to a political party that provides no solutions. Even having their own cable network won’t help them spin this. This will be a Democratic Party achievement, and the party will have to sink or swim with what they craft. And the message to Congress is this: if you’re not interested in working on solutions to America’s problems, go home or you’ll be sent home.

Once can't help but think that relying on nutjobs like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann as the go-to health care analysts for the GOP isn't going to turn out well (for them.)

Next steps are the difficult reconciliation process, but don't bet against this bill passing. There's too much history, and too much Republican effort to scuttle the bill to make that palatable for Democrats. And for the 30 million people that don't have insurance now, they can't wait for the perfect bill. Think of them this holiday season as you celebrate with you and yours.

"In the end, Republicans have to decide how far they want to believe their own myths about what they’ve been saying about Democrats. For example, lies about death panels and socialism won’t get anything done (elitists always have trouble with faux populism), but there’s always room for reining in government spending as soon as the recession passes."
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"And in the end, we are going to pass health reform, 30 million people will have an easier time getting insured, the industry will be regulated better (pre-existing conditions and recission), and passing health reform will – thanks to Republicans - be a strictly Democratic achievement that no other President since LBJ was able to pull off."
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This constitutes a license to shut the GOP out altogether from now on. Bipartisanship by Pres Obama was very publicly attempted for months and it failed because the GOP refused it. Now they can shut the hell up and take a back seat.

If the Repugs were thinking tactically, once the cloture vote was over, they should have put up one of their own to vote for this bill - Olympia Snowe comes to mind. That way, they could at least pretend they deserve a seat at the table in further negotiations. Strategically, this also would have softened the historical view when this legislation achieves "landmark" status in the future.

I'm sure glad the Repugs didn't think of this ploy. They cut themselves out of the deal and possibly marginalized their party in any health care debate for a generation to come.

Well Done, America!

Please sir, would you tax us some more..

I work for a health insurance company. We do not care about the pre-existing clause disappearing, because there are easier ways save money. Many insurance benefits are being reduced on 1/1/2010. The legislation does nothing to stop this and it is all the direct result of a poor economic climate. There is a rough ride ahead of us, regardless of what anyone does or doesn't do.

To the non-thinking Republican-Libertarians, the equation goes like this: It is physical health first, than we can worry about our financial health, afterwards. We, Democrats, got it right the first time. Healthcare taken care of, now we can sand-blast those Bush&Cheney economics from our system. They have clogged the system with greed, crime and incompetence and it is time for us, the Democrats, Independents and those thinking, Republicans, few, though, they may be, to roll up our sleeves and clean out those economic stalls, in which the Cheney&Bush, resided !! From President Obama, to Speaker Pelosi, to Majority Leader, Senator Reid, a rounds of applause are in order, for a job well done, on Healthcare. Now, we must reverse the jobs flow, that the Cheney&Bush fringe channeled out of America, into the cheap labor markets !! Way to go Democrats, Independents and good-thinking Republicans, we made a great team on getting Healthcare reform passed !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR ARMED FORCES.

When the GOP controlled Congress and White House they did nothing as health care grew more costly, millions were denied care, and U.S. life expectancy remained far behind that of other leading free nations. Now, when Obama and the Dems try to improve health care, the GOP rants, raves, and smears. The GOP loves insurance company profits, keeping millions from getting health care, and keeping our life expectancies short.

The tax increases will go into effect very soon, while the "free health care" will not start until 2013. For the person who said majority of Americans were for the public option, I wonder if the poll was presented to welfare commandos and illegals? Because everyone of the hard working Americans I spoke with was against it.

terry the teabagger:

For the person who said majority of Americans were for the public option, I wonder if the poll was presented to welfare commandos and illegals? Because everyone of the hard working Americans I spoke with was against it.

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I know lots and lots of hardworking Americans who are without healthcare insurance or access and they expressed themselves at the polls 13 months ago and their guy won.

Always Wrong,

Different Terry

Why does the US government include Bi-lateral negotiations with The Holy See in our domestic HCR policy? This is what is happening with the Catholic Church = Holy See-- with its one UN vote--same as the entire USA--only one UN vote. And this foreign nation wants to tell the women of America what to do with our bodies? Does Ethiopia or India tell us what to do in our domestic policy? No Bi-lateral negotiatios with The Holy See should be included in our HCR domestic policy.

Election fraud = when Obama told us categorically that he was against the mandate--against forcing us to buy a product from a for-profit industry. I can't wait for the lawsuits to begin. This could have been avoided, to a large degree, if Obama quit his fake "wars" and used his fake "war" money to partially fund his Insurance Stimulus Reform Bill.

If the Democrats truly wanted to reform health care they would have done tort reform, insurance sold nationwide for competition, for those who truly cannot afford insurance use medicaid funds to buy their insurance and not start another huge bureaucracy so the government can run our lives and increase corruption. Just look at the FAA party. What a joke on our taxes. The post office is another joke as well as Medicare. Medicare is worthless now unless you can afford the supplemental insurance and now they are going to cut it again and then our supplemental will probably double (I am 69 and pay 102 a month now). This whole government is a joke. Get rid of ALL of them.

Please, " Vivian ", quit using your fake " reasoning " to castigate President Obama for having to clean up that " fake " Presidency of Cheney&Bush's wake !! I should know better though, when anyone that has axes to grind, they will find trees to attack. Too bad, your targets are " fake ", you should have been stalking the shrubs !!
I disagree with President Obama's war stance, but I am not ready to even consider the word " fake " after the 8 years of fake and phony leadership, we had to suffer through with the Cheney&Bush fringe. Where were all the charges about fakery and phoniness then or were we so taken by his landing on that aircraft carrier, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !!?
I do agree with your position, when it comes to the privacy rights of women and any religious might, that is being exercised, to deny the women their constitutional rights. That crosses that line of separation of church and state and that is unconstitutional. Unless, of course, the religious want to announce, ex cathedra, that our Constitution, is unconstitutional ! I wouldn't put it past them, like the Republican-Libertarians, anything in the name of survival !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, TO THE MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR ARMED FORCES.

Writer of Wrongs is a very appropriate moniker, since everything you write is wrong.

Liberal policies kill jobs. They create a reliance on government handouts. The downtrodden are then beholden to growing government for their survival.

The rich will retain their wealth under a liberal regime. They will not, however, invest their wealth to create opportunities and jobs for the downtrodden. That's because they are much smarter than you and they are not simply going to hand over their wealth to you as you desire.

Try again, liberal JohnEE poster-child.

Nice backdoor deals to ram thru the unread bill. Monty Hall had nothing on Harry Reid.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30815.html

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Once again Mark leaves out important information that does not shine a good light on this bill. Every day the margin between people that support the bill and oppose it grows larger. At the same time the Tea Party Movement grows larger, and finally the mainstream media is reporting that the Movement is not ran by the GOP. They are finally reporting that the GOP is not welcome in the Movement. The Tea Party Movement is made up mostly of conservatives and independents with a few liberals thrown in. The Tea Party Movement really started at the end of the Bush administration with the first bank bail out. The stimulus package is what gave it the momentum that it has today and with the Senate passage of this bill it will kick the Movement into overdrive. The Kansas Nebraska act of 1854 is what doomed one political party and gave rise to another one and in part led to the Civil War. The Kansas Nebraska act of 1854 is the last bill that was passed in this country by one party. People who keep saying this stuff can never happen should look at history. Not too long ago they were saying that a black man could never be the president of the United States of America. People today that say another political party in this country cannot rise to power do not know their history. Because in 10 short years a small party had grown to hold the presidency of the United States of America. That is the America that we live in today because of this party and the Tea Party Movement is trying to hold onto those believes. The Tea Party Movement is about limiting government, holding governmental officials accountable, enforcing our constitutional rights, getting rid of radical judges, personal responsibility, and reasonable taxation. The Tea Party Movement does not trust most members of the Congress now. Just look at the vote buying and horsetrading that took place in both the House and the Senate over the healthcare bill. As more and more Americans see what is happening in the Congress it is leaving a bad taste in our mouth. Right now there is a minority that is screaming louder than others but at their own peril they have forgotten the silent majority. The largest voting block in this country is not affiliated with either party. People keep getting mixed up over Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative, independent, and libertarian. Where Democrat and Republican are political parties and liberal, conservative, independent, and libertarian are an ideology. Liberals make up 20% of the voters, conservatives are at 36%, and the rest are unaffiliated. With the Democratic Party being control by the liberals and even worse radical liberals on the far left the majority of the voters are turning against the Democrats. When you have Democratic Congress members calling people at rallies Nazis and racists when they are there voicing their concerns using a constitutional right given to them by our founders non-liberals are shocked. When union bullies show up at Townhall meetings and beat people up non-liberals are shocked. When you have members of the New Black Panthers standing outside of a polling place with billy clubs non-liberals are shocked.

History will also show that in the House of Representatives a bill was under does for healthcare reform. A conservative bill of less than 400 pages but, it never made it out of committee and it was never reported by the mainstream media. History will also show that in the Senate many attempts were made by the conservatives to make changes to healthcare bill that would have improved it. But, the Democrats controlled by a minority(radical liberals) chose to go with a bad piece of legislation. History will also show how at the time of its passing the Democrats knew that this was a job killer and budget busting bill. People need to know that the CBO is controlled by the ruling party and that the Democrats have had control of the CBO since 2004. And if people would take the time to read just a part of the CBO report they will find a lot of "if this", and that a lot of things have to line up just right for any savings to happen. And most people with half a brain know that's not how the real world works.

You can flame me here on the boards if you like. I do not really care what you think of me because I know who I am and what I stand for. I am an American that believes in the American way. Who believes in any constitution and personal responsibility who does not believe what politicians and the media says. Most politicians including Obama are liars. I can care less about the color of their skin, what church they go to or does not go to, or sleeps in their bed. I want our elected officials to have the backbone to stand up to lobbyist and throw them out of their office, to say what needs to be said and do what needs to be done no matter what a special interest group has to say or if it's politically correct. I want to political elite to stop telling people how to raise their children. I want the federal government out of education, that's right the Department of Education to be shut down. I want the federal government to keep our military strong, maintain our highways, railways, skies, and waterways for commerce, and honor our treaties. There are many other things that the federal government should do but, there are just as many that they should not be involved in. I can say this and more because I have earned it and I have the DD 214 to back this claim up!

Fitz at 10:24 AM--In response to your opinion about my own comment:
Obama took on the Bush "wars". He chose to continue them both and to escalate in Afghanistan. And, there is nothing left to do in Iraq. With the Bush decision to disband the Iraqi army and police force soon after his Shock and Awe attack there, he pretty much castrated Iraq forever in order to give its oil to Shell and ExxonMobile. The people and nation of Iraq need to bring the Bush administration to international court--since Iraq never attacked the USA. Better to leave and cut our losses there now--right now--or last year. Escalating in Afghan. does nothing to keep America safe. There is no OBL. Better to put the fake "war" money into the American Security Administration. And, it's time to be totally politically incorrect. The Afghan. escalation was a CYA proposition by Obama due to his inexperience. Also, the guy seems to enjoy being submissive to the pentagon--really weird and too bad for Americans. Fake "wars". Fake = falsify as in reason for; sham; deceive. Actually, 'fake' "wars" is exactly what I want to write.

nonsense:
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Liberal policies kill jobs. They create a reliance on government handouts. The downtrodden are then beholden to growing government for their survival.

The rich will retain their wealth under a liberal regime. They will not, however, invest their wealth to create opportunities and jobs for the downtrodden. That's because they are much smarter than you and they are not simply going to hand over their wealth to you as you desire.

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downtrodden:
(figuratively) oppressed, persecuted or subjugated

exactly who are these "downtrodden" you speak of ? I will make an educated guess and say
" the unemployed Americans "
and why are youso intolerant and paranoid that you would think someone is trying to steal your wealth?
Why don't you call the police.

President Obama, did not " take on " the Bush " wars ", would that they were Bush's wars he would be over there putting his vacuous mouth where his money, or should I say, our money is !! Those are America's wars, with men and women of our Armed Forces, that are over in those foreign theaters, slugging it out. As any sane person, other than maybe Nixon would know, you just don't pull up stakes and abandon your men and women in the field. What does that mean to the Republican-Libertarians, who like nothing better to do, than to paint President Obama with the same brush of incompetence and war-mongering the the Bush&Cheney fringe had been colored.
I see you didn't address the fake, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED stunt !! I wonder why !!? Would it mean, if you had to address that silliness, you would have had to address 8 years of fakery !!? As for " fake " wars, wars are generally fought between comparably equipped armies, along with the attending military skills. What Bush&Cheney had in Iraq, was a third world nation, whose weaponry, compared to ours, was the equivalent of bows and arrows, unless of course, you did indeed, find Iraq's MWD !! In which case, you would, indeed, have presented a sound argument !! Unfortunately, I think Rummy and the Draft-Dodgers, not to be confused with the L.A. Dodgers, are still looking for them !! The WMD, that is !! So much for " fake " wars.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR ARMED FORCES.

Fitz--Read much over time? You need to cool your jets and know what you say about another commentor's history of opinion--or else just state your own opinion, then be happy and done. I believe I did address the Bush blunders, lies and atrocities over the years here. You need to check things out much better. In some ways Obama is worse than Bush due to his big campaign deceptions. That would make him Bush squared. Obama had no problems continuing to use many Bush directives, Bush appointed military brass, and other Bush department appointees. That was not change at all. it was a lie. He faked us here. He also adopted the campaign position of Hillary Clinton re the HCR mandate. Is the guy lost, lazy, a liar and/or a chameleon? Obama seems to have used, or abused, voters and volunteers--said whatever it took to be elected--then acted otherwise. Many, many people have been duped by Obama--bad move on his part. That was all a fake, too.

"Vivian", good luck on finding those WMD and revise your positions to your heart's content !!
I see I am engaged with the Bush&Cheney fringe and, that I know, is a complete waste of time. Good luck with Sarah, I hope she doesn't quit on you, again !!
Happy New Year !!
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