Obama's '10 challenge: 'Waking liberals'

HAHAHA!!!

With all the problems the Dems are having they still aren't going to have to worry about the Repub party in 2010 or 2012. The teabaggers have already taken care of that problem for them.

Teabagger Party More Popular than Republican Party:
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http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/07/tea_party_more_popular_than_republican_party.html
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No big deal, Republicans have even less credibility with Americans than Dems do and they don't have anyone credible to run for Prez in 2012.

This shows just how bad the 2012 Republican frontrunner (Palin) treats the "little people" who work for her.

"She (Rhonda Halliday) was told to meet the group at the Monaco Hotel in downtown Salt Lake City and to just leave her car with valet parking. After being ushered to a room on the 15th floor and given some instructions (don't talk to Palin unless she talks first) she did Palin's hair while the former Alaska governor chatted with her family."

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14003093
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Obama could take the rest of his first term and do nothing but spend and he still wouldn't come CLOSE to deficit spending the way Republican administrations from the past 25 years have - and they spent it on crap like the Military Industrial Complex and tax cuts for Billionaires, over and over and over again.

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
- Dick Cheney

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2009/03/27/deficits/
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http://brsparty.com/images/FederalSpending.jpg
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THE AP DESTROYS THE REPUBLICANS PHONY CLIMATEGATE SCANDAL!

In a piece that was just posted today, the AP, after having objectively reviewed the emails from "Climategate" comes out unequivocally on the side of Truth.

"The 1,073 e-mails examined by the AP show that scientists harbored private doubts, however slight and fleeting, even as they told the world they were certain about climate change. However, the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091212/ap_on_sc/climate_e_mails

OMG! THIS IS HILARIOUS!

The Dumb Leading The Blind.....

Teabagger in Chief Michelle Bachman invokes 'Charge Of the Light Brigade' to fire up the Teabagger rubes....not knowing that they lost...badly.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/bachmann-invokes-charge-of-the-light-brigade-note-they-lost.php
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Talk about a fall from grace...

Tiger Woods approval rating has fallen so far that he's now down to being even with George W Bush.

"Woods posted the highest popularity rating in poll history — 88% — when Gallup first measured him in 2000. The 52-point swing is the largest drop between consecutive measurements since Gallup began tracking it in 1992, says Jeffrey Jones, managing editor of the Gallup Poll. The 55-point falloff from his high to low point matches that of President George W. Bush from 2001-2008."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/2009-12-14-tiger-woods-gallup-poll_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

GOD CERTAINLY HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!! HAWWWWW!!!!!!
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Blizzard Dumps Snow on Copenhagen as Leaders Battle Warming
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Denmark has a maritime climate and milder winters than its Scandinavian neighbors. It hasn’t had a white Christmas for 14 years, under the DMI’s definition, and only had seven last century. Temperatures today fell as low as minus 4 Celsius (25 Fahrenheit).
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/17/anti-climactic-irony-copenhagen-finale-hit-with-snow-and-cold/

Obama does not have to worry about his lefty base.
He pissed off the independents & that's where he's in trouble.
The only way to cure that is stop the out of control spending! I'm glad he does not run my check book, but then again I can't print money...
Obama is an easy target for any potential candidate
since his weaknesses have all been exposed. Also it was very apparent people like "change". Well that means next election somone else can run with the same theme that worked well for Obama.

CHANGE or the is no HOPE!

Every post so far is a cut and paste from a different thread. This must be what passes for original thinking by libs. Please continue to live in denial, victory will be all the more sweet.

The irony is that by trying to wake the libs the pres will further alienate the moderates. Compounding the problem will be the continued disappointment by those that think this marxist isn't doing enough. Good luck bribing and browbeating the dems next year. There are limits to the Chicago way and rahm's patronage army might be spread a little thin to cover all the threatened dems.

We're awake alright, awake to the fact that the gutless dems are more concerned about offending ultra-conservatives than following their national mandate to effect meaningful change in the way our country does business. Corporations, Wall St., Big Energy, Big Pharma, still rule the country, and their concerns only extend to what happens between now and next Tuesday, not than what happens 20 years from now. The obstructionist repugs are even worse, much worse, concerned more about power that the welfare of the country. America just can't save itself. Between the greedy, the selfish, and the stupid, we are witnessing the decline of a great civilization right before our eyes.

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There are limits to the Chicago way and rahm's patronage army might be spread a little thin to cover all the threatened dems.

Posted by: Hans | December 17, 2009 3:30 PM
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Clown,
If Obama and Rahm were using 'Chicago Style politics' on you right wing puppet sticks there'd be about 10-15 Republicans sitting on the bottom of the Chicago River wearing cement shoes right now.

Your wingnutty crying is getting old....

DESPITE LOSING FAVOR, OBAMA STILL TRUSTED OVER THE WILDLY UNPOPULAR GOP

The bad news for the White House: the latest ABC/WaPo opinion poll shows President Obama with the lowest approval rating of his term. It's net positive -- 50/46, or +4 -- but on domestic issues like unemployment (-1), the economy (-6), health care (-9), and the deficit (-19), it's net negative.

The bad news for the GOP: Voters still trust President Obama more than Republicans, even on health care. The numbers: Economy, Obama +12; Health care, Obama +7; Afghanistan, Obama +12; Energy, Obama +10.

What's the lesson? Even though Americans disapprove of President Obama's record on many domestic policy issues, they do not see the Republican Party as a viable alternative. At some point, that may change, because the GOP is also the only alternative, but for now, the country is not looking for President Obama to be more like Republicans -- they are looking for him (and the Democratic Congress) to deliver on the change they voted for in 2008. If the White House can deliver, the GOP will be left out in the cold, partying with the Teabagger rubes.

22% approval rating for the DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESS.

Can you say 2010? It's here!

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22% approval rating for the DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESS. Can you say 2010? It's here!

Posted by: Free to Watch Whatever I Want | December 17, 2009 4:47 PM
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Thanks for the willfully stupid observation brainiac.

You're forgeting one thing - Republicans (unfortunately) also serve in congress and their congressional appoval rating is even lower than the Dems.

Sure, you wingnuts goons are going to win back a few seats in 2010, I mean, you've already lost so many the past few years that it would be nearly impossible for you not to. But you're not going to get a majority in either chamber and then in 2012 you'll be back to defending seats and running a crappy Pres candidate again.

BO doesn't have to pacify liberals. They are in his pocket. He can send more troops to fight Muslims, call for burying the "public option", ignore the union card check bill, ignore gay rights, get in bed with Big Pharm, etc., etc. What are liberals going to do about it? Vote Republican? Not likely. BO could kick all liberals in the teeth and they would pretend to like it before they would dare speak out against the sacred cow that has become BO's image. Liberals have way too much invested in this guy. They will rationalize, deny, etc., do whatever they have to in order to avoid admitting that they may have made a mistake in falling for the BO hype.

The first absurdity of the poll is the notion that Obama has to 'wake up' the liberals. We have been screaming at him as loud as we can on a number of issues; He has chosen to do the 'to the right' shuffle.

Secondly, BHO is not that liberal. He is a corporatist, ruling from the center right apparently.

Just look at the healthcare bill he will sign; It's almost as if the Republicans wrote it.

I think much of the opposition to the healthcare reform bills come from the left. Nothing much in these bills seems to help the working people of this country. There are a few weak reforms, but nothing of great significance. Makes you wonder why it takes 2000 pages to not do too much.

I think NOT taking bold steps that were simple, clean, and easy to explain and maybe even put some good estimate numbers around, have doomed any wave of support for this zombie of a healthcare bill.

We are going to end up with something everyone hates just to make Benedict Joe happy.

WE'RE LIBS, THE RULES ARE FOR THE OTHER FOLKS.
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Dems Violated Senate Rules By Cutting off Reading of Sanders Amendment
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http://spectator.org/blog/2009/12/16/senate-gop-says-dems-violated

Did he mean, waking as in "wakee wakee"?

Or waking as in Finnegan's Wake?

Start piling on in 10,9 , 8.....

Waking the Flatliners... Better get the paddles out.

HH
I must, if I may, respectfully disagree.
I for one, and others here, have been hitting BHO and the Dems quite hard regarding the incredibly swiss cheese like CCRA(with Guns in the Parks), the health care reform process in general as well as specifics, and the coming titanic failure of financial reform.
Also, the losing efforts in Afg/Pak will haunt us for decades. (BushCo gets a lot of the blame for that.)
Fact is, if we can't afford a little real healthcare reform we can't afford trillion dollar vanity wars on the Asian land mass.
We have no credible partners in Afg/Pak. BHO needs to get on the back channel to Karazi and rip his b@ll$ off.

Herbie H,

You are exactly right the liberals will swallow all the BO that is dished out and not complain.

Enjoy.

herbie h:
BO doesn't have to pacify liberals. They are in his pocket. He can send more troops to fight Muslims, call for burying the "public option", ignore the union card check bill, ignore gay rights, get in bed with Big Pharm, etc., etc. What are liberals going to do about it? Vote Republican? Not likely. BO could kick all liberals in the teeth and they would pretend to like it before they would dare speak out against the sacred cow that has become BO's image. Liberals have way too much invested in this guy. (snip)

Not hardly. It was the educated voters who put BO in office and it's the same voting block which will vote him out of office. This block of independents consist of former r-cons who quite had enough of GWB and his cartel, only to seemingly exchange one group of corporate hacks for another, forgetting about " we the people" losing their homes, jobs, retirement funds and healthcare access.
While you r-con rah-rah's waste your time thumbing your noses at those of us who thought they were voting for real change, America continues to tank, except for the war profiteers and Wall Street. Ask yourselves what kind of America you are leaving for your own children.

Hey, " Herbie H ", or should I call you, Gums, given all the kicks in the teeth, the Cheney&Bush delivered to your chops, in their 8 years !! Yet, you still tow the Republican-Libertarian line !! What are you looking for, a jaw re-alignment !? These guys that you are carrying the water for, the Republican-Libertarians couldn't tell the truth if their family's life depended on it !! Yet, here you are, back for more kicks !! You must be a kicks-loving type of guy !! Knock yourself out, brother !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Waking liberals, its about time!. Nobamas' numbers are going to
continue to decline, because of
the waking liberal have finally come to their senses and have come to realize they have been sold a pig-in-a poke. This guy said everything he needed to say in order to get elected, that to me equates to a snake oil salesman. This community organizer is in way over his head. He would do good to resign, it would be his first and last positive thing he could do for the country.

Did anyone else read that psychology study that was recently completed? 17 of 20 College Republicans and 6 out of 10 self proclaimed Tea Party Patriots (TeaBaggers) had "significant arousal responses" to gay porn. Telling.

'Science is Fun' obviously subscribes to Play Girl magazine not only for the pictoral content, but for the indepth psychology studies as well.

Telling, indeed.

paul
Waking liberals, its about time!. Nobamas' numbers are going to
continue to decline, because of
the waking liberal have finally come to their senses and have come to realize they have been sold a pig-in-a poke. This guy said everything he needed to say in order to get elected, that to me equates to a snake oil salesman. This community organizer is in way over his head. He would do good to resign, it would be his first and last positive thing he could do for the country.

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you r-con waterboys have such pathological hatred of Obama that you see his apparent betrayal to his supporters as a feather in your own caps. How sad that you must see this as a victory when the truth is America will contunue to suffer and I presume you to be an American.
The fact remains that Obama ran on a platform and was elected by the majority and this majority of voters are not happy campers right now because of Obama's lack of leadership in healthcare reform and the sellout to the pharma cartel. It is more than apparent that global corporations run our government and if you are OK with that, then may I be the first to welcome you to the brave new world of corpo-fascism, something none of us voted for.

Re;writerofwrongs
You are typical of all the far left that say just because someone doesn't agree with NObama you must hate him, how utterly wrong and childish. I don't like his policies and I don't like the fact that he has not done a single thing he promised to do never mind the things he's done wrong, the closing of Gitmo is a joke, healthcare is a wreck, climategate is a farce. And if he is able to pass any of this radical mess its either going to bankrupt our country or break the backs of taxpayers, which I assume you are one.

paul:
Re;writerofwrongs
You are typical of all the far left that say just because someone doesn't agree with NObama you must hate him, how utterly wrong and childish. I don't like his policies and I don't like the fact that he has not done a single thing he promised to do never mind the things he's done wrong, the closing of Gitmo is a joke, healthcare is a wreck, climategate is a farce. And if he is able to pass any of this radical mess its either going to bankrupt our country or break the backs of taxpayers, which I assume you are one.

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You are way off in your presumption that I am a member of the " far left", just as Terry The Teabagger was way off in presuming me to be a young collage age man.

You r-con cheerleaders label anyone who takes issues with your own strange and illogical extremism as the *enemy* to be silenced and purged. .American against American, thats your motto.until the last person standing is you.
I would venture to guess that you didn't vote for Obama anyway, so your criticism rings hollow. Those of us who voted for change are most unhappy and disappointed. These " far left " constituents include many conservatives who realize that they, too, were deceived by Bu$h and company only to find out that it's business as usual under the new boss.
You shouldn;t be so quick with that wide brush your painting with.

Paul,
The country is already bankrupted. Mission Accomplished by Reagan, BushCo.
The Tea-Baggers lament; 'Our children and grandchildren' will pay for this BHO spending'.

Wrong!
They are and will still be paying for RR's and BushCo's spending. Our great-grandchildren will start paying on BHO's.

I don't remember where I've read it---maybe the Economist---but I do remember it being noted that some of these mega-corporations are grossing more than some countries today. If so---you can't blame our President from having to stoop as low---lowly-low---as he has in-order to "get things done." The government can't compete with the private sector outright, and needs their co-operation because they are a big part of a country we are trying to change to meet the demands of a rapidly shifting world. (Stupid and risky way to go about reforming major aspects of our country. MHO) What is worse is that we aren't out of the woods yet, and it falls upon this president who was elected based on his predecessors weakness---foreign policy---which is completely the opposite of the major task that will be asked of him---to change the financial climate in-order to build something lasting for generations to come. The old ways have made those who deserve to be rich---as rich as they can be---and the only other direction is down unless something changes. He will be asked to stand up to fat-cats so they buckle down and take responsibility for a market that isn't offering any growth outside of the avenues that they have a monopoly on. Our President doesn't have a card to play with these fat-cats (Walmart to Wall St to health care giants) who hold our financial fate in their hands. If they don't begin to invigorate the market in innovative ways, the only card left will be public shaming ala "CEO's and method of transpiration," stimulating/ investing in new technology like more efficient cars, off-beat "sexy" (green) jobs (to get some momentum going in order to get these privateers to bite in a similar direction by emphasizing consumer demand) and/or allowing these giants to sink their teeth into the public sphere meant to protect the people against these giant's survival of the fittest, should it infringe upon the rights of the people, versus not aid it(like heath care). The public is more conservative, willing to work, but needs new roads new concerns (hence, the emphasis on climate change not only as a way to manage the weather gods and a few penguins, as their detractors would have, but because there is a possibility it could promotes a new attitude of learning to live within your means, and opening up an avenue for competitive business people will want invest in. probably, why it's so important that GW is accepted on a world scale?)

I wonder if tehliberals have any problems with this exchange from THEIR Speaker:

CNSNews.com: “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?”

Pelosi: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

CNSNews.com: “Yes, yes I am.”

Pelosi then shook her head before taking a question from another reporter

Terry,
That would be part of 'promoting the general welfare'.
There are no specific permits granted by the constitution.
Nowhere does it permit:
Public
libraries
Parks
Schools
highways
You get it.

It was a stupid, politically loaded question.

Posted by: Bobby Mobbie | December 17, 2009 3:19 PM

Bobby, you've just proven how dumb you really are! Your point proves that Climate Change does exisit, moron!

Who is CNSNews.com ??
We get 'not found' when trying to load it.
Is that the right wing Xtian 'news' group? No wonder the question is so ridiculous.

CM, you're right. I painted with too broad of a brush to include people like you. From your posts, I would consider you a liberal, but you do hold government to account. Although I'm probably on the other side of the political spectrum, I respect your opinions and find them insightful, even if I don't always agree. You are one of the few posters on here I read. However, particularly in the Swamp, I think you are the exception as opposed to the rule. That brings me to Don Fitz......

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Don, your post is rambling and unresponsive to anything I said. The point of my post was that most liberals are in BO's pocket, and he knows it. For example, you seem decidedly anti-war. Yet I haven't heard a peep out of you criticizing BO for sending tens of thousands of more Americans to a foreign country to fight extremist Muslims. Am I to understand that you support his decision? If so, shouldn't you alter your signature line?

CM,

Then why couldn't Speaker Dimwit say, as you did, "promoting the general welfare"? Does she not know the preamble of the constitution or does she know that it is not the correct answer?

Aslo, would promoting the general welfare include the federal gov't to provide housing for all, food for all, clothing for all, transportation for all, cabel TV for all,

The four examples you listed above are things done best by a gov't body (except schools) and not the individual (indiviuals can't build their own roads). The indivudal can take care of the list I made above (plus education) better than the gov't can; tehrefore they should.

We have seen what gov't run hosuing looks like, is that what we want for everyone?

Tell me one social program the gov't runs well and within its original budget.

Always Wrong,

The reason I thought you were a young college kid is that I didn't think anyone of middle age or older really would still think like you do.

terry the 'bagger:
(snipped)

Always Wrong,

The reason I thought you were a young college kid is that I didn't think anyone of middle age or older really would still think like you do.

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I will take that as a compliment, gramps.

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Liberals have way too much invested in this guy. They will rationalize, deny, etc., do whatever they have to in order to avoid admitting that they may have made a mistake in falling for the BO hype.

Posted by: Herbie H. | December 17, 2009 6:34 PM
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That's funny Herb,
Especially considering that you and the other Wingnuts simpletons just got done spending the last few years on here lockstepping with the BushCo hype on everything.

You lost, get over it.

T.
The gubbmint has to step in when the private sector proves incapable or unwilling to provide fair service for fair compensation. In other words, when the privates become predatory.

I would argue that the private health insurers have proven themselves to be dangerous to the private financial and physical health of the nation.
It's why we have Medicare; The politicians of the day knew that old people were uninsurable by the privateers. Ditto SocSec. As we crashed and burned in the GD, the need for SS became apparent.
Other reforms forced by the behaviours of the privates:
FDIC
Glass/Steagall (RIP)
EPA
Medicaid
Fairness Doctrine (RIP)

As far as your 'original budget' argument, well, nothing exists in the private or public domain under 'original budget' numbers.

If we need taxes to preserve needed social services so be it. Raise taxes. People my age, and perhaps your age, paid large increases in SS/Medicare taxes in the 70's and 80's to assure the system's continues solvency. Terry, let me inform you, almost nobody wants to give up SS/Med.

Ways to save wasted money to help pay for it:

1. Reduce the 11 carrier battle groups of the US Navy to six.

2. Drop the 'Triad Doctrine' of MAD

3. Put our remaining deterrent on subs only.

5. We CAN'T afford to keep a standing army on the Asian land mass.

5. Cancel the stupid stupid manned mission to Mars. (unless a rover sees an old city)

6. Repeal the tax breaks to the Wall Streeters and the Big 4 main street banks.

Regarding 1-3, I have an entire scenario and rationale' behind each, plus a way to keep the actual service people, (They are actually needed) but I assume you disagree.

Always Wrong,

If you take having a lack of wisdom as a compliment, that says it all.

CM,

"The gubbmint has to step in when the private sector proves incapable or unwilling to provide fair service for fair compensation. " Please tell me where that is stated in the constitution.

So how does the lib plan of single payer fit in when 90%-plus of the country is insured or has the ability to purchase health insurance?

We have Medicare so seniors, even rich seniors, have health insurance?

So you are assuming the the individual does not have the capability to save for theri retirement or their health care in retirenment? Here's a fact - if the amount of money that was confiscated by the gov't for these two programs from each tax payers paycheck (over 15%) were saved and invest in the braod stock market, when retirement came around, they would have more than enough money to retire on and have health care until they day they die. PLus, they would be able to transfer some leftover money to their heirs. Compound interest is a wonderful thing!!!

Funny thing about the EPA - since its inception, we have started global warming. You would think that a good gov't regulatory agency would have solved the problem. Maybe my assumption is "GOOD gov't regulatory agency"?

Social Security is a program that has outlived its usefulness. Ask the 20 somethings if they would rather be keep that 15% of their salary and investing it THEIR OWN fund instead of turning it over to the gov't. Problem is how to pull the plug on this Ponzi scheme.

Nothing exists under its original budget - that is true, but the gov't goes and predicts the spending for these programs for many years and the prediction of teh cost is always on the low side, never on the high side.

Social Security taxes have risen 220% since its inception in the 30's. Medicare tax rates have quadrupled since its incpetion in the 60's and also now applies itself to every payroll tax dollar instead of being capped. I would say its a logical conclusion that gov't run health care will be the same fate and taxes will have to be raised accross the board.

As far as your six suggestions for tax cuts, I'm not against them in direction, but perhaps in degree. However, this is just another drop in the bucket as compared to the entitlements - soc security, medicare and now health care.

C Mo,
Terri and the rest of the Wingnut TrickleDown brigade are always trying to gut SS. It's a money source that their Wall Street overlords haven't been able to exploit yet. Just think if Bush had been able to do it right before the Repugs melted the economy down, like he tried to do?

Terry,
Here's the latest analysis of the first round of retirees (my age) that have suffered through 30 years of Reaganomics.

The breakdown of pension money is as follows:
First tier: Defined benefit pension
2nd tier: Social Security
3rd tier: 401K/IRA 'annuity'

The first 'savings plans', or 401Ks emerged in the late 70's/early 80's (I jumped in) but were meant as a perk for upper managements. It was quickly grabbed on to as a way to unload defined pension obligations.

Now here's the problem for the youngsters you are worried about.
SS may be the first tier for them, because they will not have anything like a defined benefit pension, and history has proved that 401k/IRA savings are inadequate to the task, esp. in low interest conditions. Frankly, a $100K annuity may get you $400 per month.

And the the brite bulbs running our brave new Reagan world have made it easy for people to tap into their 'qualified money' for health care, college, housing. No way with the 401k scenario replace SS or defined benefit pensions.

The youngsters need to fight like Trojans to protect SS/MedC and perhaps make it a National Retirement Insurance Program. It will be the only retirement they get.

The Wall Street quasi-criminal element are already figuring out the next crash to enrich themselves, and it involves GenX/Y/Z's private retirement funds.

BTW, I think cutting back the MIC will provide a revenue echo down the decades. You can't just look at the current operating costs, but also the incredibly stupid, expensive development costs of replacement systems. I could tell you my plan, but you seem dismissive of it.

T,
Just so you know it's not just me makin' stuff up:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/retirement/Wang_fix401k.moneymag/index.htm

Terry, why is what you refer to as *socialism* not OK but corpo-facism is ?

CM,

Suffered thru 30 years of Reganomics? The DJIA has gone up ten-fold in those 30 years -,pretty good.

Pensions are passe since people do not stay in jobs for a life-time anymore. It's not like the old days when you left high school, and went to the local factory for forty-plus years,a nd then collect your pension. This is a more dynamic world where employees need ownership of their retirement funds - so scrap the pension idea. The only people getting pesions are teh gov't workers at the bureaucratic trough.

Social Security should not be their first-tier of retirement - ask any finanical planner that question.

That $100K annuity could be over a million for the average family if they were allowed to keep all of their Soc Security taxes.

Always Wrong,

You get to chose "corpo-facism", but "gov't socialism" is shoved down your throat. The concept is freedom, not serfdom.

Trickled On JohnE,

You seem to think Social Security money is the gov'ts money, but where did the gov't get it from? It's citizens. I'm for the citizens to keep the money they earn thru their hard work? Aren't you for people keeping what they earn?

I'll pre-apologize for any typos.

terry the teabagger:

Always Wrong,

You get to chose "corpo-facism", but "gov't socialism" is shoved down your throat. The concept is freedom, not serfdom.
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So there's freedom to be found in corpo-fascism?
For whom exactly ?

ps: thanks for outing yourself

terry the teabagger:

Always Wrong,

You get to chose "corpo-facism", but "gov't socialism" is shoved down your throat. The concept is freedom, not serfdom.
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So there's freedom to be found in corpo-fascism?
For whom exactly ?

ps: thanks for outing yourself

Always wrong,

First, you only need to hit the post button once to show off your stupidity.

Once again, I make a point that goes over your head. You have a CHOICE if you want "corpo-facism" (your stupid term, not mine). For example, if a bank has the lowest cost mortgage, but you don't like the bank, you can CHOOSE to get a loan from another bank. Capitalism is about FREEDOM to make CHOICES. Or we can choose your path and become serfs to an over-bearing central gov't.

Nanny-state is probably the path you will choose, because than you don't have to have the talent to take care of your own needs.

grampa bagger Terry:
(snip)

Once again, I make a point that goes over your head. You have a CHOICE if you want "corpo-facism" (your stupid term, not mine)
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Terry posted this earlier:

\You get to chose "corpo-facism", but "gov't socialism" is shoved down your throat. The concept is freedom, not serfdom.
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Terry: this is what you posted, not me, so own up.
I understood your earlier post and thanked you for outing yoourself. Now you are backpeddling. (wow) snip

terry explains or tries to:
For example, if a bank has the lowest cost mortgage, but you don't like the bank, you can CHOOSE to get a loan from another bank. Capitalism is about FREEDOM to make CHOICES. Or we can choose your path and become serfs to an over-bearing central gov't.
(end snip)

wow:: what you have described is comparative shopping; nothing wrong with that. Interesting, however, is that you chose to highlight banks and throw the word *capitalism* into the mix. Banks are corporate fascists personified.
First, by having special laws passed to protect them while they loot and pillage and receive tax bailouts for their reckless greedy practices, which they then blamed on the consumers, spinning some yarn via their " capitalist supporters" about how they were forced to make bad loans to poor minority folks.
Typical fascist behavior. Hitler blamed Germanys problems on the immigrants. Sound familiar? Behind every great fortune lies a crime and this is what you call capitalism?
Now big insurance is getting on board. Special laws passed to financially benefit big insurance who blames their
*problems* what? Malpractice lawsuits. How predictable.

There is nothing remotely capitalistic about any of this.
( wow: end snip)

terry goes on:
Nanny-state is probably the path you will choose, because than you don't have to have the talent to take care of your own needs.

I can take care of myself and always have. I work 6-7 days a week FYI.

"...what you have described is comparative shopping; nothing wrong with that." Unless you are talking to health care insurance.

"Banks are corporate fascists personified" Banking is also one of the most highly regulated industry in the country, thuis one of the major reasons for its problems and also all of its special laws.

If you are looking for a fight on the banks bailout, you have come to the wrong place. I wasn't in favored of TARP (Although I understood how it would work and how it did work). It was a badly crafted piece of legislation - voted Aye on my your hero - Barack Obama.

Where have I blamed immigrants?

Which party just cast 60 votes to help the big insurance companies (don't forget big pharma)? Which party had the whores for Senators that needed a payoff before they cast their vote?

Since you have to work 6-7 days a week, you probably are looking for the gov't to take care of your needs. It does take a lot of minimum wage hours to make a living.

terry: snipped

Which party just cast 60 votes to help the big insurance companies (don't forget big pharma)? Which party had the whores for Senators that needed a payoff before they cast their vote? end snip

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then shall I presume you are in favor of some serious campaign finance reform?
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Since you have to work 6-7 days a week, you probably are looking for the gov't to take care of your needs. It does take a lot of minimum wage hours to make a living.

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I am self-employed and happy to be working.

Always wrong,

The only campaign finance disclosure I would want if full and timely disclosure of all campaign contributions. If Senator X is getting a million from the insurance company and Senator Y is getting a million from the union - then full discloses it so we know who is paying for these whores we call Congressman (and women).

Just what is your self-employed business that contributes to this economy?

Terry:
I am going to let you have the last word on this thread because I have noticed that you demand this and to me it's so insignificent, so knock your socks off !

ps: I choose not to disclose personal info here.

The problem with Obama and his ratings are that he is too liberal. And his speeches around the world do not go over all that well back home. He has let the Democrats in the Congress write the bills that are too liberal and the majority of voters in this country are conservative and independence. Liberal voters only account for 20% of the voting block.

Take the Cap & Trade bill and the liberal rhetoric about how bad the US is about pollution. They say nothing about how on our own we have cleaned up the air and water in our country since the 1970s. They only say how bad we are but never point now that other countries are pumping more pollution into the air, into the ground, and into the water. They do not point out how the Cap & Trade system in the UK is riddled with fraud and government payoffs. And it has not helped to make any real impact on the pollution they produce in the United Kingdom.

The loony liberals keep touting wind and solar power. Anybody with half a brain knows that that will not work alone. They want everybody to buy electric cars but seem to forget that it will take power plants to charge these cars. And most loony Libs will not even consider the cleanest type of power plants which are nuclear.

Obama keeps saying he wants to create jobs but so far all we've gotten is 10.1% unemployment and a one trillion dollar stimulus bill. I have an ideal that will cost less than $50 billion. Install tank less water heaters in every home plus small vertical axis wind turbine on every home and small business where they can be put in. Think of all the jobs making the equipment and installing it plus all the jobs because of those. We installed a tank less water heater three years ago. Before that on a budget plan we were paying $220 a month year-round for our natural gas. Now we pay $50 a month! Just think of how much less natural gas would be needed every year. And for the homes with electric tank less water heaters how much coal would not have to be burned every year. And the small wind turbines can be installed without batteries with dule metering where the power not used in the home is returned to the grid. It would also add up to less natural gas and coal being used every year. But no that is not good enough Obama and the Democrats come up with cash for clunkers and now we know how well that really worked. The mainstream media keeps telling how home sells are up but fell to mention in over half their reports that this is due to taxpayers money being pumped into it.

At this point in Obama's first year his ratings are at the lowest level of any president in our history in their first year. Look at the five worst states economically and want do all of them having comment, they are under Democrat control. And the governor of California in all sense of the word is a Democrat. Look at New York were they just raise the taxes on the so-called rich. The so-called rich were paying 75% of the taxes for the state of New York. Now the elected officers in New York realizes that a lot of the people which were taxed more than others have left and it has hurt the state. In California companies are leaving and have been for quite a few years now because of all the burdensome rules and regulations plus the high taxes and fees to do business. We do not even have to bring up Michigan and Detroit city. Here in Illinois it is getting worse and if we do not get rid of the Democrats at the state level and lower we will become the next Michigan and Chicago will become the next Detroit. One of the biggest problems besides democratic control in this state is the race mongers and baiters, Rev. Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the Cook County Board President. Almost every time anything good is suggested if it does not have enough people that the race mongers want it called a racist program and the person that suggested is called a racist. If you look back in history and Detroit city you will find the same thing happened there. I could care less about the color of someone's skin, what church they go to or don't go to, or who is in their bed. I want a person who is not afraid to do the right thing and say what needs to be said. Who'll stand up to the race mongers and call them what they are racist. I will never stop giving a hand up but we need to end all the handouts that in the end really never help anyone but the politicians themselves. Look at our school systems in the state they are not there for the students anymore, they are there for the unions and the school administration.

Always wrong,

Since you are a business man and a gov't loving loon. I'm sure you report every dollar of profit you make to the gov't. And since you are a loon, I'm sure you don't take advantage of taxbreaks in your business such as accelerated depreciation. I'm sure you turn over more money to the gov't than they are entitled to by law, since you believe that the gov't can take care of its citizens better than the citizens themselves. Am I correct?

terry of teabaggerstan:

Always wrong,

Since you are a business man and a gov't loving loon. I'm sure you report every dollar of profit you make to the gov't. And since you are a loon, I'm sure you don't take advantage of taxbreaks in your business such as accelerated depreciation. I'm sure you turn over more money to the gov't than they are entitled to by law, since you believe that the gov't can take care of its citizens better than the citizens themselves. Am I correct?

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you presume an awful lot.

Always wrong,

I just asked questions.

Do you report every dollar of revenue your small business makes to the gov't?

Do you use the tax laws to the fullest in order to minimize you tax liability?

Or do you let some dedcutions slide and give more money to the gov't since according to liberal beliefs, the gov't can provide better for us than we can?

Just questions.

terry the teabagger:
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Or do you let some dedcutions slide....

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whatsa " dedcutions slide" ?
Is that playground equiptment for seniors ? Or maybe it's what you do when you forget to salt the sidewalk !

Always wrong,

I guess we can eliminate accounting from your entreprenuerial skills.

"let some deductions slide" - that would be not taking deductions you are entitled to. In other words, that would make your tax liability higher and you would pay the gov't more money. You know the gov't, where all good in this world comes from (read with a heavy dose of sarcasm).

terry the teabagger:

I guess we can eliminate accounting from your entreprenuerial skills.

"let some deductions slide" - that would be not taking deductions you are entitled to. In other words, that would make your tax liability higher and you would pay the gov't more money. You know the gov't, where all good in this world comes from (read with a heavy dose of sarcasm).

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maybe santa will bring you a brand new pocket protector so you can store all your heavy duty accounting equiptment alongside your dementia meds but only if you *remember* to salt the sidewalk..wouldn't want santa to do the dedcutions slide right down your driveway.

ps: thanks for the free tax advise however I prefer to let the experts handle my business.

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Always wrong,

Letting financial experts handle that end of your business would be the smart thing to in your case.

I'm sure whatever your CPA calculates for your tax liability, you just tell him to add 10% since the gov't knows what is best to do with your money. Do you do that? Or are you a greedy capitalist and keep all you hard-earned dollars and decide what to do with them?

terry the teabagger
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Always wrong,

Letting financial experts handle that end of your business would be the smart thing to in your case.

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It's the smart thing to do in any case. When it comes to *free tax advice* you get exactly what you pay for.

Terry, could you dust off your slide ruler and calculate what it would cost the average working person to buy the votes of our elected representatives so they can get in on the action like the insurance and pharma cartels have been doing ? Could you work up an amortization schedule for the uninsured remnants of the middle class so they can make payments on their *donations* with the hopes that their voices can be heard?

Always wrong,

We just saw the result of what happened when big business teamed up with gov't. IN this case however, the taxpayers (via the gov't) bought off big pharma and big insurance. Also, we just saw what a few whore democratic senators sold their votes for - once again bought with taxpayers money.

I do notice you are still dodging my questions on your tax liability.

terry the t-bagger:

Always wrong,

We just saw the result of what happened when big business teamed up with gov't. IN this case however, the taxpayers (via the gov't) bought off big pharma and big insurance. Also, we just saw what a few whore democratic senators sold their votes for - once again bought with taxpayers money.

I do notice you are still dodging my questions on your tax liability.

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Terry: I think we can agree that some serious campaign finance reform is in order and not just "disclosure* as you advocated in an earlier post. That is not enough. Corporations should not be allowed to influence the democratic process.

Finally, my personal biz is none of yours.

Always wrong,

Would you agree that Unions should not be allowed to influence the democratic process? How about trade associations like the AMA, Bar Associations? How about front groups that bundle money such as MoveOn.org?

The problem is that you are silencing political speech by refusing people or organizations to donate to canidates of their choice.

Also, the less money there is for canidates to get their message out, that means the more power the press/media have this country. I think we all know the general direction the media leans in this country. The media has given-up its role of impartial reporter and has chosen sides.

I think your lack of the ability to answer a questions about compliing your tax returns tells me that you are for these gov't programs, but I'll only fund them up to my legal limit. You don't believe the gov't is best at detremining what to do with YOUR money, just that the gov't is best in determining what to do with EVERYONE ELSE'S money. I wouldn't expect different from a liberal.

teabagger terry,

So sorry that you cannot seem to differentiate between
large multi-national corporations buying our elected odfficials and ad hoc commitees or union endorsements.

This is a pointless thread with a close-minded zealot. What part of NOYB do you fail to understand, gramps ?

Writer of Everything Wrong,

I understand the difference between "large multi-national corporations and ad hoc commitees or union endorsements buying our elected odfficials."

The large multi-national coporations buy officials of both parties while the unions buy only the democrats.

If you really want all of this lobbyist money out of national politics, get all of the tax money out of DC. What do you think will happen when the federal gov't is dishing out about 25% of this country's GDP? Individuals and corporations are goinmg to flock to the 535 lawmakers that hand out these goodies and curry favor with them.

Seven days ago

"Terry:
I am going to let you have the last word on this thread" Just goes to show what your word is worth.

"This is a pointless thread with a close-minded zealot" I know, but I've talked to a lot of close-minded zealots like yourself (Trickled On JohnE, Scottie, FITZ, etc...)

Like I said, you are just like every other flatliner, you want to spend everyone else's money on your pet social projects, just not your own.