Public doubts health-care bill passage

GET IT DONE DEMOCRATS!

If you make the health care bill better it will be a plus no matter what bs propaganda the Republicans put out there.

And if it's a good health care bill, nude model Scott Brown will have a tough decision to make: vote for it and keep his Senate seat, or vote against it and lose his Senate seat faster than he got it.

MA isn't Alabama, if Brown can't figure that out then he's dumber than I thought he was.

I agree with you Republicans!

Liberal Democrats have ruined this country with their socialist agenda. Problem is, most folks don't even notice how much socialism has crept up all around us. We're going to have to get busy if we want to "de-socialize" this once-great country of ours.

Start with public schools. What gives the government the right to take my tax dollars and use them to educate someone else's kids? If people who have kids want them educated, they can homeschool them or use their own money to pay for a private school.

Then there's Medicare. Why is socialized medicine okay for people over 65? Ronald Reagan warned back in the early 1960s that passing Medicare would take away our freedoms, but unfortunately people did not mobilize to stop it. Now that Americans are finally waking up and joining the Tea Party movement, maybe we can finally make the Gipper proud and repeal Medicare.

We also need to get rid of all this socialist red tape that strangles the capitalist system. Liberals passed all kinds of rules saying businesses have to have all these safety protections for workers, they can't pay women less than men, they can't pollute the water or air, they can't sell "unsafe" products, and on and on and on. It's no wonder China's economy is going full steam while ours is sluggish: the Red Chinese of all people have figured out that businessmen need to be allowed to do what they do best: make profits, instead of having to worry about all these regulatory hassles. Sure, this might result in the occasional poisonous dog food, or lead in kids toys, but once a company gets a reputation for that sort of thing, you can bet people will buy a different brand for their surviving dog and/or child!

One more thing that really bugs me: last I checked, the Second Amendment gives us the right to bear arms, and doesn't say anything about "except on airplanes". So what gives these federal goons (the "TSA") the right to tell me I can't bring my gun on the plane? Maybe if we get a good conservative president in to replace Obama, he can appoint a Supreme Court that understands that my right to bear arms is absolute, regardless of what kind of transportation I use.

The corporate media dialogue in this country has shifted so far to the Right that it makes Obama's policies, which have proven to be rather centrist, are perceived as far to the Left as Lenin?

Mind you, the Republicans in the previous Administration conducted an unprecedented assualt on our Constitutional liberties and freedoms all in the name of "Security" and Patriotism.

Go figure...

Pass health care reform, Pres Obama!

The reality is that the Republicans aren't almost rooting against recovery, they are rooting against recovery. They're rooting against health care reform. They're rooting against anything good coming from this presidency. They're rooting against this president!

The reality is that the Republicans know that for one of them to return to the Oval Office, and for their party to retake one or both houses of Congress, this presidency must be perceived as a failure. The consequences to the country of this presidency actually being a failure are irrelevant to them. They want it to fail. They work for it to fail. They know that any successes by this president undermine their party's chances, so they will do their best to prevent any successes, in any ways they can. The Republicans are a party that impeached a twice-elected president for lying about sex. There is no depth too low, and no sewage too rank, for their pernicious partisan wallowing.

Despite his attempts at bipartisan comity, the Republicans have undermined President Obama in every way they have deemed it possible. They spent half a year pretending to negotiate health care reform, and then, despite his compromising and capitulating in countless ways, they didn't give him a single vote. No matter his intentions, theirs remain singular and monomaniacal. They want his presidency destroyed. They want his agenda destroyed. And as they proved with President Clinton, if they consider it necessary in the pursuit of their aims, they won't hesitate to try to destroy President Obama, personally. That's who they are. If they weren't that despicable, they could not perpetually pursue their despicable agenda.

Republicans aren't interested in bipartisanship. They will not negotiate in good faith. They see any Democratic attempts at bipartisanship as but unilateral surrender. Their base is comprised of theocrats and kleptocrats. The former believe they are doing divine work. That never ends. The latter want to hoard every last bit of material wealth they can steal. They literally want to own the world. That admits no compromise.

We progressive critics of some of the president's policies and strategies want very badly for him to succeed. We understand the necessity of his succeeding, both on policy and political grounds. We want him to strive for ideals because we believe doing so would be best, both on policy and political grounds. We want him to stop reaching out to Republicans because we know their goals are the exact opposite of ours, both on policy and political grounds. They want him to fail. Their careers and livelihoods depend on his failing. There is no strategy they won't pursue, if they think it will increase the odds of his failing. His failure is their singular goal.

So, when the president cautiously suggests that the Republicans are rooting for economic failure, he is only scratching the surface. It's more than that. They are rooting against the president. They are rooting for his political destruction. They are working for it. They are literally praying for it. When we liberals try to awaken him to this fact, it is not because we are trying to hurt him. It is because we are trying to protect him. We are this president's friends. The Republicans are anything but.

GET IT DONE DEMOCRATS!

If you make the health care bill better it will be a plus no matter what bs propaganda the Republicans put out there.

And if it's a good health care bill, nude model Scott Brown will have a tough decision to make: vote for it and keep his Senate seat, or vote against it and lose his Senate seat faster than he got it.

MA isn't Alabama, if Brown can't figure that out then he's dumber than I thought he was.

Posted by: ShelleyS | January 26, 2010 4:47 PM

ShelleyS- You’re joking right?? BS propaganda is about the only thing this admin can do w/o a teleprompter...
IF it were a good health care bill it wouldn't get out of congress and would never be signed by Obama...
A GOOD health care bill;
- would NOT require bribery to gain key votes,
-would NOT require accounting tricks to appear to cost less than it actually does
-WOULD include tort reform to address the largest contributor to health care cost increases - defensive medicine.
-WOULD not be written in secret closed door meetings.

Obama fails to get the message. The American people -- every poll verifies -- do not want the Democrats' Obamacare. Albert Einstein said, "The definition of insanity is someone who does the same thing over and over and expects a different result." Americans want jobs. Let the politicians focus on getting that task done. And not pretend "saved" jobs either. The real thing.

Pass the health care bill that allows people to but health insurance across state lines, has tort reform, expands the use of HSA's and covers pre-existing conditions. Minimal cost to teh gov't in the day of BO's Annual Trillion dollar deficits. 70% of Congress would go for this.

@ heartburn,
You've just described everything that ALWAYS happens when your beloved Repugs are in charge and making legislation - and you didn't have a problem with it then.

How many kickbacks did Cheney get from Halliburton again? I forgot...

@ heartburn,
You've just described everything that ALWAYS happens when your beloved Repugs are in charge and making legislation - and you didn't have a problem with it then.

How many kickbacks did Cheney get from Halliburton again? I forgot...

Terry, that is probably what is going to happen. Say what you will about BO, but he is not stupid. He is not tone deaf like the liberals in this blog. He knows the far left agenda is toast. Any kind of health care reform will be common sense and bipartisan.

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BO is off to a good new start by promising to freeze discretionary spending. He could follow it up by thanking McCain for the idea, and publicly apologizing for ridiculing it during the campaign.

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You really want to see a bite out of the deficit? What about that 500B in "fraud" and "waste" in Medicare? If BO really believed that savings was attainable, and really gave a rat's ass about deficits, he would push for that reform yesterday. Six months ago. But if he pushed for that reform by itself, then he couldn't claim it as a set-off for the cost of a health care bill. In other words, he couldn't use it as political leverage. Show me those savings without using it as a political ploy, and I will believe he cares about deficits.

Herbie,

Excellent point - He should go get all that waste in Medicare that he talked about while trying to take over health care this past summer.

We need reform now! If dropping a light fixture on your foot and having to have a physician look at it is a "PRE-EXISTING CONDITION" and a reason to deny health coverage, then I think we need to do something about it...Insurance companies are already doling out health care as they see fit. If our doctor orders a test or medication they don't agree with, you are denied. It makes no difference how many pages are in the bill, if it evens the playing field for those without and have been denied health coverage, then I am for it.

People are afraid of the unknown. However, I believe passage would mean even better coverage for all. I'd rather my neighbor gets to the doctor and stays healthy than passing on an illness to me. Others say they have theirs so why should we improve things for our neighbors?

Socialism is the way to go.

Only a massive government can help people do anything. Look at how well the H1N1 distribution went last year.

Look at how well three years of a Democrat controlled Congress has improved life for us all!

Look at the $2.8 Trillion in debt Obama will add to the deficit in just 20 months. He is so much more efficient - It took Bush 7 years to add that much, and that was with the help of the Iraq War and 9/11.

In fact, Obama PLANS to add $1 trillion or more to the debt EVERY YEAR, even is he is successful! How wonderful!

According to Obama, we can cut $50 billion in Medicare waste every year (mostly by cutting payments to doctors, not cutting red tape in DC). He missed last year - he could have done it, but decided that cutting $50 Billion in waste is not that big a deal. That means, even after 2 years of perfection in Congress (and we all know all Democrats are perfect - just ask Charlie Rangel) there was still 12% of the $400 Billion in the budget.

So, letting 12% go to waste a good thing,because after 3 years of control of Congress, Congress has done nothing to fix it.

Look at how great it will be to try terrorists in New York and DC! As Obama said, they will be convicted and executed (kind of like the way they did it in Germany in the 40's or Russia in the 30's?) so what's the big deal?

Look at how well Obama did in Copenhagen. TWICE!

Look at the FutureGen plant here in Illinois, approved in 2007, and still not started. Boy, there is hoe Democrats react to emergencies! Oh, wait, Obama is going to make another decision this year. I wonder if his desire to destroy the coal industry will have an impact on the decision . . . .

Look at how Government employees have only a 3% unemployment rate, while construction workers are at a 20% unemployment rate! Boy, am I glad there were so many "shovel-ready" projects rarin' to go! Especially in the 114th Illinois congressional District, or the 83rd Congressional District of the Virgin Islands.

And things will only get better, as the folks of Nebraska get free Medicare, and unions get exempted from taxes the rest of us have to pay. That is fairness personified.

Thank you, Democrats.

Damned If They Do . . .
Congressional Democrats freak out.
In the wake of the stunning debacle (in their view) in the Bay State last Tuesday, Democrats find themselves with two thrilling alternatives: They can drop their unread and unreadable 2,200-page monstrosity of a health care reform bill and be labeled as wimps, jerks, and hapless losers who wasted a year and couldn’t deliver. Or, they can try to ram the Senate bill through the House (which hates most of it) in order to pass a bill that two-thirds of the country now loathes with a passion. They can either jump off the ship or stay on and sink with it. Either way, they end up in the drink.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/damned-if-they-do-%E2%80%89%E2%80%89%E2%80%89%E2%80%89

Also this:
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Have the Democrats Hit a Brick Wall on Health-Care?
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After a week of regrouping following the special election in Massachusetts, Congressional Democrats seem to have arrived at a consensus on the best way forward on health-care reform: wait.

Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said there is "no rush" to pass a bill, as long as it happens before elections.

"We're not on health-care now. We've talked a lot about it in the past," Reid told reporters after a meeting with his caucus on Tuesday. "There are a number of options being discussed. Anything that we talk about, we have to look at the procedural aspects of that."

Reid said he had multiple meetings with House leadership and the White House on how to proceed, but that there was no sense of urgency to act immediately.

"This is a Congress. What we have done lasts for two years. We've just finished our first year," he said.

Reconciliation, the intricate budget-centered process that would allow narrowly tailored fixes to the bill to pass with as few as 50 Democratic votes in the Seante, was viewed by Democratic leadership as perhaps the last best chance for getting a compromise measure through both houses. But Democratic moderates have balked, with eight senators saying Tuesday that they were uncomfortable with the reconciliation route.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/onthenews/?q=YWY2ZDA0MTYxOGYzODIwOGQwZWZmYTM2NDNkZDYwZGU=

State of the Union: Right-Leaning
Voters are skeptical of big government and hostile to the current health-care legislation.
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On ideological questions this electorate leans right. Self-identified liberals have more confidence that government spending and intervention will improve the economy than that free enterprise and individual initiative will. The electorate disagrees, 65 to 25 percent. Self-identified liberals worry more about big business than big government; again the electorate disagrees, 57 to 25 percent. Likely voters do not believe that this administration knows how business works or how to help it succeed by 53 to 42 percent; independents and people who own small businesses were even more skeptical. Seventy-nine percent of voters agree that Congress has lost sight of its constitutional limits; 53 percent of them “strongly” agree.
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The health-care polling spells disaster from start to finish for liberals. Likely 2010 voters believe that the health-care legislation being considered will make health care worse rather than better (56 to 29 percent) and that it will increase costs rather than lower them (62 to 24 percent). These worries are not confined to typically Republican demographic groups. A majority of Hispanics thinks that the bill will make health care worse, as do 56 percent of those who are undecided about their congressional vote and 27 percent of those who approve of Obama’s job performance. Eighty-one percent of voters say they are concerned about the bill’s effect on the deficit, with 54 percent characterizing themselves as “very” concerned.
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http://article.nationalreview.com/422855/state-of-the-union-right-leaning/ramesh-ponnuru

@ heartburn,
You've just described everything that ALWAYS happens when your beloved Repugs are in charge and making legislation - and you didn't have a problem with it then.

How many kickbacks did Cheney get from Halliburton again? I forgot...

Posted by: antacid | January 26, 2010 6:57 PM

So given what appears to be a rationalization for Obama's politics as usual- are you conceding that Obama's health care nonsense had nothing to do with hope or change and everything to do with legacy building and liberal ideology?

Or do you have some sort of personal goal to include a reference to Bush, Cheny or Haliburton in everything you post?