Guantanamo beats Illinois: Sen. Hatch

More bed wetting from another Republican chicken hawk....

I'M SHOCKED!.....not
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Cue the Republican Pants Wetting in:
5..4..3..2..1...Ding Ding Ding!!!
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***REMEMBER WHEN REPUBLICANS LIKE HATCH USED TO CLAIM THAT GENERAL PETRAEUS COULD DO NO WRONG???***

***REMEMBER WHEN REPUBLICANS WOULD CALL ANYONE WHO DISAGREED WITH GENERAL PATRAEUS A TRAITOR???***

-CNN JOHN KING:
"If you ask the White House about this, it highlights -- they say it's not just the president, it's not just Attorney General Holder, that General David Petraeus says he believes a public trial at a federal courthouse is the best way to do it so that it's not an al Qaeda recruiting tool.

That Secretary Gates, a holdover from the Bush administration at the Defense Department, also they believes a trial in the federal court system is preferable to a closed trial in the military commission. And that the CIA operatives leading the fight against these guys in Yemen, in Somalia, in Afghanistan and elsewhere, also believe that if you did it in a closed setting in a military commission it would be a powerful recruiting tool. If General Petraeus, Secretary Gates, and the intelligence leaders say, do it in court, why do you say that's a bad idea?"

-REPUBLICAN CHICKEN-HAWK MITCH MCCONNELL:
"I simply disagree and so do the American people."
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When Democrats disagreed with Petraeus, Republicans called them disloyal and stupid. Republicans doing it? Well, that's okay, even if they are disagreeing with the Pentagon, with the CIA, and with the very people taking the fight to Islamic extremists everywhere. Because if there's anyone that desperately wants to wet their pants in fear, it's Republicans. They certainly have no clue how to be "brave" when it's their butt that's on the line.

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One can only hope that the Orrin Hatch's of the world will have an opportunity to make a better informed comparison of these facilities -- first-hand, someday. From the inside.
Down with the phony perpetual "war on terruh":
The Power of Nightmares, Part III
http://www.freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=137

KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED BREAKS OUT OF GUANTANAMO, DEFEATS U.S. MILITARY, ENSLAVES AMERICAN PUBLIC !!!
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http://www.lowdowncentral.com/storage/KSM%20Parade.jpg

NEW YORK (Fox News) - In a shocking development, arch-terrorist Khalid Sheikh Mohammed broke out of Guantanamo Prison today, personally defeated the entire U.S. military, overthrew the U.S. Government and forced all Americans to abide by Sharia Law.

"We told you so," said a crying Sean Hannity, a snot bubble coming from his nose. "Obama!!!!!!"

Details of the break out are still sketchy, but eyewitnesses are confirming that KSM used "some type of type of dark magic to turn into an undefeatable terrorist Godzilla."

The break out and and corresponding overthrow proves that panicked U.S. politicians were correct that KSM should not have been given a trial in New York City. Previously, many believed that said politicians were just a sniveling bunch of cowards still eager to politicize terrorism.

"Thank God he was never transfered to New York," said New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. "This could have been really bad."

Before the bloody, one-man destruction of the United States, the U.S. Congress had stated that they would deny any federal funds for trying KSM in a federal court of law.

"This is really dangerous nonsense," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. "We have a way to do it, Interrogate them, detain them, and try them in military commissions offshore at Guantanamo from which no one has ever escaped."
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0110/McConnell_vows_to_withhold_funds_for_KSM_trial.html?showall

McConnell added that people like Ronald Reagan who supported giving terrorists federal trials "just don't understand the threats America faces."
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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/31/nostalgia/index.html

Still, while the nation is now in complete disarray and chaos, some Conservatives have hailed the new rule of their Islamic Overlord.

"Finally, this nation has someone who will lead it in a moral, strong-fisted way," said Muhammad Rashii-Limbaugh - formerly known as Rush Limbaugh. "Praise Allah."
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http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/ksm-sings-new-york-new-york-on-rush-limbaugh/
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Orrin as usual doesn't get it.

Gitmo, like Elba and St. Helena, enhances the status and legend of those detained there.

Treatment as common criminals deprives them of that cachet.

Personally, I think a nice location for them would be Marion's Supermax wing.

No one has ever escaped.

And no one there has been heard from again......

Sounds like Hatchie wants to coddle them. And I thought he was a big, bad, mean Republican.

""It's pretty nice compared to Illinois -- the place in Illinois where they want to put them,'' Hatch said in the committee hearing. "It'd be nice and cold in the winter time and... all I can say is that I imagine there'll be a hue and a cry that we're not fair by bringing them here.''

So now Borin' Orrin now want's to go easy on the terrorists??

I say we throw O'Keefe and his fellow right wing domestic terrorists in Gitmo, waterboard them and then never give them a trial.

Republicans seem to think the we should just throw away the Constitution everytime they get scared so I don't see why they would have a problem with their own minions living down there with no hope of ever getting a civilian trial...

Hatch should stick to writing country/western songs.

LMAO.

Not only does Hatch want to coddle the terrorists, the poor wuss thinks that it's too cold in IL.

Gotta luv dem GOP cowards.

Roland Burris, a pretty good senator compared to Orrin Hatch

Hey, Orrin - We have furnaces here in Illinois. We use them when it's cold outside in the winter.

Compared to ILLINAUSEA, Iraq and Afghanistan are nice. GITMO is a huge success. Why waste another $237 miillion?

For those of you who say that GITMO causes al Qaeda to hate us and is a recruiting tool, they hated us before GITMO, during GITMO and will hate us after GITMO. It is their hatred for us that serves as a recruiting tool not some prison on some island.

Yay! Let's spend lots of money to put them in a jail in Illinois and maybe our town will be blown to bits!!! You're all a bunch of idiots. Gitmo is the best place for these cretins, admit it!

Prisoners all over the world would be happy to do their time in GITMO compared to many of the hell holes they are sitting in right now even in the US.
Some of you guys should watch a Nick Berg or Dan Pearl beheading and get a refresher course in who wants to dominate you.

Borin Orrin, who used to be for term limits, before he was against them should just shut the hell up. It's embarrassing enough that we have some state senator (Buttars) telling us we need to do away with 12th grade to save money, now Hatch talks stupid again.
And do you really think our founders intended that the "Great Compromise would give such out-sized power to the small states? There's a reason for the saying "The U.S. Senate, where good ideas go to die".
From a related article:
The idea was to safeguard states’ rights at a time when the former colonies were still trying to get used to this new country of theirs. But the big/small divide was nothing like what we have today. Virginia, the biggest of the original 13 states, had 538,000 people in 1780, or 12 times as many people as the smallest state, Delaware.

Today, California is 70 times as large as the smallest state, Wyoming, whose population of 533,000 is smaller than that of the average congressional district, and, yes, smaller than that of Washington D.C., which has zero votes in Congress to Wyoming’s three. The 10 largest states are home to more than half the people in the country, yet have only a fifth of the votes in the Senate. The 21 smallest states together hold fewer people than California’s 36.7 million — which means there are 42 senators who together represent fewer constituents than Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein. And under Senate rules, of course, those 42 senators — representing barely more than a tenth of the country’s population — can mount a filibuster.

http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/senate-3/

RIGHT WING CLOWN RICHARD COHEN DESPERATELY WANTS FASCISM

It's just uncomfortable for him, what with his always piddling his pants.

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With any luck, this could be the beginning of an economic resurgence for Illinois. First, house the most dangerous jihadists from Guantanamo...then capture, try and incarcerate every unsuccessful suicide bomber who hauls his murderous butt to Illinois to avenge the injustices done to Allah in the soon to be hated Thomson prison. (The successful suicide bombers can be considered a lost economic opportunity) Next, maybe Obama can be convinced to send all the people who refuse to buy health insurance to Illinois to be incarcerated. In a few years almost everyone can be either in an Illinois jail or employed guarding those in an Illinois jail. Prosperity is just around the corner!

Wow!

All you lefties spewing venom. Hatch is just stating the truth, it will be a whole lot colder than Club Gitmo. Maybe we should just open the gates and set them free?

Forget about the cold, have you been to the restaurants there? OMG!

You liberals all High? What a bunch of nonsensical comments. Throw away the constitution? These AREN'T AMERICAN citizens, they're terrorists. They don't even wear uniforms, you morons. You want to send the mall police after them. Don't you bozos know that they have been rallying terrorists against America for decades? There was no Gitmo then, just a bunch of hateful, fanatical zealots. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELATE.

Hey, if I have to freeze to death in Illinois in the winter, dangerous criminals can too.
Bring 'em on!

Extreme individuals need to be brought to justice by any means necessary. The freedom which is afforded to all law-abiding citizens is a product of doing what might not be popular but what is right for the U.S. and its interests. If the ACLU attorneys always had their way we would live in anarchy. A nation of people with their own individually-decreed laws.

Hatch is right, but he misses his own point. Gitmo is TOO GOOD for the terrorists. I've thought so all along. Why give them the sunshine of Gitmo when they can experience the dreariness of Central Illinois betweeen November and April?

Stop coddling the terrorists. Bring them to justice and lock them up.

Snarky comment to resemble the right (sorry Mark): Unreported in the swamp, crotch bomber giving up valuable information on terrorists. Good news for Americans again is bad news for the rabid.

SOK- First off you are comparing two different situation. Agreeing with David Petraeus on whether to bring these prisoners of war to civilian courts vs. a military tribunal and agreeing with him about what he needs to win a war are two different scenarios.
Republicans agree with him on what he needs to win a war, because that's what he does best, wage war.
Disagreeing with him about holding a trail, be it in civilian court or tribunal is something Petraeus doesn't do.
The blind sheik trail was in civilian court, where AQ took info and intelligence present in court back to AQ and used it against us... henceforth 9/11.
Military tribunals would keep information and intelligence presented in the court in a secure manner where it couldn't be used against us.
Get it??
(Probably not)

NOT THE SHARPEST KNIFE IN THE DRAWER, ARE YOU? HERE I'LL TYPE SLOW FOR YOU: ENEMY COMBATANTS . . . U.S. CITIZEN
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ENEMY COMBATANTS . . . U.S. CITIZEN
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SEE ANY DIFFERENCE?

I say we throw O'Keefe and his fellow right wing domestic terrorists in Gitmo, waterboard them and then never give them a trial.

Republicans seem to think the we should just throw away the Constitution everytime they get scared so I don't see why they would have a problem with their own minions living down there with no hope of ever getting a civilian trial...
Posted by: DrainYou | February 2, 2010 8:56 PM

Why does Orin Hatch want to coddle terrorist suspects?

Why is it okay for Republicans to criticize so many parts of America, (the east coast, San Francisco, Illinois, etc.) But if a Democrat criticizes anywhere in America everyone gets apoplectic? I've never understood this double standard.

Wow, what a list!!!!!

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington's "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2009
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1. Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
2. Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
3. Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)
4. Secretary of Treasury Timothy Geithner
5. Attorney General Eric Holder
6. Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)/ Senator Roland Burris (D-IL)
7. President Barack Obama
8. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
9. Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) and the rest of the PMA Seven
10. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)

Read the gory details here:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/dec/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2009

Orrin:

As opposed to Utah??

Joel Goldberger has it right. It does sound like Orrin Hatch wants to codddle the terrorists.

Fact is, we should move the terrorists to dreary Illinois and open Gitmo back up for our white collar criminals. Maybe even add a golf course.

Sen. Hatch suggests Illinois winters may be worse than winter at Gitmo? Um, ya think?

I hear Iran is pretty nice - at least compared with Utah!

Poor, poor prisoners. Has anyone bothered to ask what THEY want? Only in America...

I'm not worrying about the terrorists escaping. I'm more worried about the State releasing them to cut costs.

Why not reserve the Thomson facility for the Illinois corrupt politicians? Daley, Stroger, Madigan, Burris, Durbin, Obama can all run for cell block trustee.

If they move the Gitmo terrorists to Thompson, Illinois they will get snowboarding instead of waterboarding. A nice ski resort is just a few miles away.

If you fools would have listened to me 8 years ago this wouldn't be happening right now! You should have dumped those ignorant radical Islamist dick-heads out over the Atlantic on the way over here....presto....it would have saved us lots of time and money. They can't be reasoned with....kill 'em! Case closed.
We're just too nice.

FRAUD-WASTE-ABUSE

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First Lady Requires More Than Twenty Attendants

1. $172,2000 - Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)

2. $140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C . (Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Policy And Projects For The First Lady)

3. $113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G (Special Assistant to the President and White House Social Secretary)

4. $102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (Special Assistant to the President and Director of Communications for the First Lady)

5. $100,000 - Winter, Melissa E. (Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)

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7. $84,000 - Lelyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary to the First Lady)

8. $75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance for the First Lady)

9. $70,000 - Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects for the First Lady)

10. $65,000 - Burnough, Erinn J. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)

11. $64,000 - Reinstein, Joseph B. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)

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20. $36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)

Richard Owens--Just what nutcase is going to believe the drivel you post just because you say so? Besides, this article has NOTHING to do with Michelle Obama. Try to keep up
If you want anyone to believe your outrageous claims, post a link to a website so we can all see for ourselves.

This is so pathetic. That people would actually think or blame a holding cell at Gittmo for the way al Qaeda is coming at us. That it somehow is an emotional and symbolic drug used to fuel their cause. Are you people nuts! These people don't give 2 you know whats about any of that. They would cut your head just because you're American and it won't matter where you are jailing. The real joke here is that our Government actually thinks these people have rights to our justice system. They don't. We are at war whether you like it or not and when you're sitting down in a movie theater with your kids or at the mall shopping with your family or God knows how many other crowed places and a bomb goes off and kills everyone around you is that when you'll finally get the picture because obviously all of the other bombings on American soil have done nothing to shake you into reality. Wake up sheeople before it's your family who is affected.

How about instead of Illinois we sent the Guantanmo guys to the State of Utah ... after all, that's where the enema would be inserted if we really wanted to flush the country clean ...

Richard Owens is a hypocritical fool. This story broke out of Canada about five months ago. She has roughly the same number of "attendants" as Laura Bush had. Why is outright propaganda allowed on these pages? Hey Trib, I know Obama was the only Dem. you endorsed in your entire history, so now you allow these scum to try to stir up crap with this pablum to try to make amends to the wingnuts who subscribe to this paper!

I never heard such scared cry babies over Justice. The Last time I checked this was the United States Of America. Justice is open and free for all to see that is what makes us strong. When we hide everything behind closed doors we open ourselves up to mistrust. What are all of these Conservatives so afraid of? Let the system work it's the best in the world.

"no spin",

Should all Gitmo detainees be tried in civil court? Maybe you should ask Obama about that. His DOJ plans to hold about 50 detainees indefinitely, without charge or trial.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/22gitmo.html

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"no spin", take your post above and insert "BO and his DOJ" where you have "Conservatives" written. They are the one's who are actually calling the shots. Then try to answer your own question.

@Kevin:

Surely Gitmo would not be the only reason why AQ would want to attack the U.S. But just as surely it's a factor. Beyond that, it's pure cowardice on our part to have these people at Gitmo. We can lock them up safely here. Putting them on trial shows strength, not weakness. And it shows moral superiority, rather than stooping to the level of a terrorist.

More importantly: You need help. You're a cowering wimp. We stood nose to nose with the USSR, which had the capacity to destroy the entire planet, and we did not blink. Quit your pitiful crying and get out from under mommy's skirt.

Blikin, who are you trying to prove "Moral superiority" to? Al Queda? That's laughable. Like any fundamentalist would ever think, gee, that US is morally superior to us because they put us on trial. Please.

AQ digs up whatever propaganda it wants, or finds effective. You know, it's like blaming everything on George Bush. It's very effective with people that can't think past what the latest MSM biased propaganda is feeding them. How do you think we ended up with a Marxist radical as president?

Herbie H

You just made my point why on earth do we have 50 people locked up in a prison for no reason. Could it be we just picked people up for no reason and maybe tortured them. And don't say it's part of war because if they were picked up on the battlefield we would have reason to hold them. Now you see why you can't just throw people in lock up without a reason. How long should we hold these people? If they were innocent before they are probably terrorist now. They should have been released as soon as we found out they did nothing wrong.

Free/Want:

I'm not interested in proving anything to terrorists. I'm interested in showing us, and the rest of the civilized world, that the US holds itself to a high standard when it comes to dispensing justice. That terrorists and other murderers do not respect life is not much reason for us to follow suit. It's about us, not them.

Caging people in Cuba so we can circumvent basic principles of due process shows that we don't hold these principles very dear. Gitmo was a terrible mistake that Obama is fixing...in that deliberate, ruminating, contemplative style that annoys pretty much everyone.

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Obama is no Marxist. If you'd ever read Marx you might understand why. Marx did not believe in private property. Period. Obama surely does. Your calling Obama a "marxist radical" is about as relevant a criticism as calling him a greasy booger.

Wow is this site the Daily Kos? No intelligent life here. Guess that's a reflection of the author of the article. Any time someone fights back against anyone else, the event can be used as a recruiting tool for that side. One learns that in elementary school. But leftists continue to feed their fantasy existences, claiming that Guantanamo is bad because placing terrorists there aids the recruitment of terrorists. Who cares. Terrorists need to be fearful that their behaviors will result in punishment. The last year has seen the results of coddling and kissing their feet and it isn't pretty. Obama was not successful at bringing them back into civilization.

Mickeymat:

Terrorists include people who are willing to die for their cause. If someone is willing to die for their cause -- the "ultimate punishment" -- then it follows they're not going to be "fearful that their behaviors will result in punishment." By the way: spending the rest of your life in supermax prison in NW Illinois would still be considered "punishment," yes?

"no spin" I hope we had a good reason to pick them up, but I don't know that. I don't think their cases/info are public. All we have is Bush and now Obama saying they are too dangerous to release. I agree with you that we can't just hold people forever without charge. I took issue with your first post because you blamed "Conservatives", when it is liberal BO who is running the show now. He has changed some of the rhetoric, but very little of the substance from the Bush years. Here's an article from the Times explaining as much on the issue of holding people without charge:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24detain.html

Republican lawmakers have already opposed funding the transfer of Guantanamo detainees into the United States, but administration officials argue that refurbishing the Thomson facility will add sorely-needed federal prison beds.

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