Bunning: 'Senators only,' one finger only

This Bunning clown represents the 2010 version of the Republican party PERFECTLY - "I've got mine, screw the jobless and the poor.

The only way a moron like Bunning ever gets elected in the first place is that Kentucky is full of low IQ right wing goobers who claim to hate "big gummit", but who are nonethless being supported by it in some manner: e.g. retired military with a government pension, are on SSI with Medicare, are collecting disability or unemployment, have a child who is on disability or is recieving some sort of public assistance, getting a farm subsidy, like to drive on paved roads and highways instead of dirt and on and on ... The ability to get conned by shysters like Druggy Rush and Fixed News Channel can be nothing short of astounding sometimes.

That might as well be the sentiment of the whole Senate to the American people. Too busy campaigning year round, too busy sucking-up to special interests, too busy cashing checks from lobbyist. Hey, average American, that's a big FU!

It's hard to believe that someone who acts like this is actually an elected US Senator.

Sometimes I wonder if Bunning and (R) Chuck Grassley are suffering from the early stages of dementia. Not just because of their nutty Teabagger right wing politics but from the way they come across in public.

Bunning seems to be losing touch with reality more and more each day and Grassley sounds like an angry 13 year old girl who can't spell when he takes to Twitter.

Doesn't matter that Bunning is retiring after this year. The White House and Democrats must make this ridiculous behavior a centerpiece of the upcoming campaign. This is 2010's version of Mark Foley. Dems need to make sure this sticks to the GOP like glue.

http://www.political-buzz.com

Imma gunna voter fer him! He's a famous ballplayer. He throws a baseball real good, I dunt care if he knows jack squat about nothin else. I want to have beer w/ him and that's whats important to me. Oh, he's Christian too!

What about the people whose unemployment checks aren't coming this week, because this stupid old coot can't remember that he's voted for UI extensions without offsets before. What about the workers on those "shovel-ready" projects from whom Bunning has just swiped the shovel with his petulant crap? And what about the doctors now getting screwed on Medicare fees?

WOW, YOU LADIES ARE GETTING DESPERATE AREN'T YOU? ONE BIRD FLIP AND STICK TO IT LIKE GLUE? LET'S SEE: CORNHSUKER KICKBACK, LOUSIANA PURCHASE, REID, PELOSI, RAHM-IT-THROUGH HEALTHCARE, ACORN, CLIMATEGATE, NYC TERROR TRIALS, GITMO STILL OPEN, FAILED PORKULOUS, 10%+ UNEMPLOYMENT, SUPER MAJORITIES IN WH, HOUSE, SENATE, YET CAN'T GET A "PROGRESSIVE" BILL THROUGH. YEP, DEFINITELY FOCUS ON THE BIRD FLIP!!!!
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This is 2010's version of Mark Foley. Dems need to make sure this sticks to the GOP like glue.
http://www.political-buzz.com
Posted by: Matt | March 1, 2010 4:27 PM

If the dems want to continue to cram through legislation with no regard as to how it will be paid for, fine. The dems can then repeal the law they just passed called Paygo that prohibited this practice. If the liar in chief wants to spend money on whatever slush fund and union payoff comes along, he could have vetoed Paygo.

A few thousand laid off government workers sounds like a feeble but necessary start. With government worker unemployment running around 3%, it is about time they face the same productivity pressures as the rest of the economy.

To the brain dead lib senator from Illinois, how about a straight up or down vote on this spending spree. If you want to violate your week old law, get the votes together or shut up. Everything is an emergency when it comes to stealing from the productive. Perhaps you should make the difficult decisions as to whether to raise taxes or cut off some of your political payoffs. You do have the majority as your party loves to remind everyone.

I like senator Burning dedication to the Tea Parties, and of course his lack of dedication to Americans in need. I just wonder where was he when the republican majority gave Bush Jr., his wishes on tax cut for the rich, a prescription drug without the money to pay for it; and as it stands today procted to cost tax payer over a trillion dollars without doing what they promised, a bailout for the big bankers. Where was he when Jr. was wasting billions in Iraq? Was he asleep at the switch or just acquire a conscience because this one has to do with the people and not the fat cats that the Republican Party has faithfully served regardless of how it affects the lives of their constituents. What I like about the Democrats when they’re in charge; for everything they do for the fat cats they do three for the people who sent them to Washington DC in the first place. When it comes to the republicans in the other hand; when they are in charge they completely forget about the people, when they are not in charge they manipulate a childlike American constituent into believing the ruling party is working for the devil and will bring on Armageddon.

I love how all you "big city" bigots make fun of people from the South as a bunch of dunderheads. Just typical liberals - get out of the way, we know what's best for you.

While BO represents the 2010 democratic party - PERFECTLY - "I've got mine, I'll create the jobless and the poor"

Lorna,

"nutty Teabagger right wing politics"? Would that be the same nutty teabaggers that Nancy Pelosi says she has a lot in common with?

A big swing in potential predictions and outcomes "plus" it's a long way to November, but it looks like the D's are getting an F (not a B "plus")

Forecasting the 2010 midterm elections

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Forecasting-the-2010-midterm-elections-85834907.html

A senator who wants to know how it's going to be paid for before he votes for it.

Imagine that.

KY is a beautiful state and the people are warm and generous. But it does make you wonder what they were thinking, or not thinking when they elected Bunning.

From curveball to screwball.

Ohhh, I have injured Mark's feelings again and have been censored for it. What new?
So, we'll try this again:
All Bunning is asking for is that the $10 billion is paid for. Didn't Obimbo speak of pay as you go during his farce of a state of the union escapade?
Bunning asks that $10 billion come from the stimulus money still not spent. What is wrong with that?
It may be only $10 billion, which is a drop in the bucket, but you have to start somewhere.
But that isn't the tale that Silva, Jonathan Karl and the rest of the dinosaur media is trying to pedal. They are trying to paint Bunning as a bad guy.
The bill will get through. The money will be retro. So it's been a big farce of a media stink by the media farce.
Course, that same media cannot tell the full, complete story. Doesn't fit with the agenda. Fortunately, more Americans are catching onto the media's wrongdoings.
And now I just wrote censoring thoughts again.

Just another elitist country club Republican.
He didn't worry about paying for Medicare D, two tax cuts going into two wars, the $100 billion farm subsidy.
I could go on, but you get it. He's against this cause he hates the little guy. Socialism is for his backers only.

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If the dems want to continue to cram through legislation with no regard as to how it will be paid for, fine. The dems can then repeal the law they just passed called Paygo that prohibited this practice. If the liar in chief wants to spend money on whatever slush fund and union payoff comes along, he could have vetoed Paygo.
Posted by: Hans | March 1, 2010 5:28 PM
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Clown,
You mean cram legislation through without paying for it....the way your Repug heroes did with medicare and their tax cuts for the rich?

"Reconciliation has, in general, been a Republican endeavor. Political scientist Joshua Tucker looked at the 19 times reconciliation was used between 1981 and 2005, and found that 14 of them were Republican initiatives. If you extend that analysis out to 2008, then 16 of 21 reconciliation bills were Republican".

"That brings us up to the present. But now, Republicans are arguing that reconciliation has never been used for major legislation, and so any attempts to use the process to modify the health-care reform bill would be a sharp break with precedent. That's wrong on two counts."
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/a_reconciliation_primer.html

HYPOCRITES - THEY NAME IS REPUBLICAN!

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A senator who wants to know how it's going to be paid for before he votes for it.Imagine that.

Posted by: DaveB | March 1, 2010 7:23 PM
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Yeah, funny how the Rethugs don't care about that stuff until they're out of power, don't ya think Davey?

I'm actually kind of glad the Rethugs are doing this kind of crap, because the more they do it the more they're going to pay for it this fall.

It's a proven fact that the 'lazy" people will stay on unemployment insurance for as long as they can vs. looking for another job.
Some of these obama voters have been on unemployment insurance for almost a year...as long as the government keeps extending the program these lazies would rather suck off the government nipple than work.
Sen. Bunning is right, where's the money going to come from and enough is enough.

Paulo

2010 REPUBLICAN SLOGAN!!!

SOCIALISM FOR FOR BILLIONAIRES, BIG OIL AND BIG CORPORATIONS - "PULL YOURSELF UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS" FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Crazy John Devola,
You have pretty low standards for what rises to the level of 'thoughts'.
(Those voices in your head? , , , not thoughts.)

THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEFINITION OF "IS" IS: PELOSI: 'BILL CAN BE BIPARTISAN WITHOUT BIPARTISAN VOTES'
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/84089-pelosi-gop-has-had-its-day-217-healthcare-votes-in-sight

REPUBLICAN Senators Who Used Budget Reconciliation To Pass Bush Agenda Items Now Calling It ‘Chicago Style Politics’

"Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), said any use of budget reconciliation by President Obama would be “regarded as an act of violence” against Republicans, and likened it to “running over the minority, putting them in cement and throwing them in the Chicago River.” Other GOP senators have chimed in against reconciliation, with Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) calling it a “purely partisan exercise” and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) saying it “would be a mess.”

"Despite their howls against Pres Obama, Republicans employed the same procedure to pass major Bush agenda items (which were supported by all four aforementioned Senators)":

– The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
– The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
– Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
– The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]

"Gregg defended using the reconciliation procedure to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for domestic drilling in 2005, arguing, “The president asked for it, and we’re trying to do what the president asked for.” Evidently, Gregg has lost the same sense of patriotic duty."

"While Republicans seem to be experiencing a particular form of political amnesia from the Bush years, they ought to be reminded that budget reconciliation has been used by several other presidents, including Clinton and Reagan. In fact, Republicans — with Bond and Gregg among the leaders of the charge — were instrumental in pushing through key provisions of their signature legislative agenda, the Contract with America, using budget reconciliation."

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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/24/budget-reconciliation/
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Hey! Didn't this Bunning miscreant help kill PayGo in '02 !??

Good for Bunning. He made a stand that some government welfare needs to be paid for. Unheard of. Stunned silence in the Senate. Reactionary column from Silva. Mock indignation in the Swamp. Bunning must be doing something right.

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John D., of course Silva et al. wants to make him a bad guy. There is so much hate on the left, they have to point it at someone. Otherwise, they start eating each other. Silva manages it carefully. He knows his loony lefties in the Swamp. If there is no villain de jour, he'll throw a Sarah Palin or Dick Cheney story out there so the emotional lefties can release some of that pent up estrogen.

So when are we going to see Mainstream Media following a Dem into an elevator, chasing them down the hall and asking them how are we going to pay for the Stimulus dud, the Health Care lies, Nancy didn't know about waterboarding lie, every lie that Obama has told, (really they are much too numerous but here's a few: transparentcy, bills on Cspan, cut the deficit, I'm not an ideologue, America is not a Christian nation, America is one of the largest Muslim nations, the police acted stupidly, and not true, in regards to illegal immigrants being covered by the Health Care bill).

We're waiting ABC. Now that you found a camera crew and a reporter willing to follow a politician and harass them. Start with Nancy; I love to see the deer in the headlights eyes and the never been asked a tough question look on her face.

Yep, kinda reminds me of the Roland Burris non-interview. "Don't talk to me."

I want to see the entire house and senate live off of $650.00 per house hold, every other week for 1full year! Their are a ton of people trying to get a job but can't because of the lac of them. i went back to school got a bachelors and became certified in firefighting and i still cant get a job. not even at MCDonalds because their not looking for anyone.

BECAUSE OF BUNNING:

Unemployed Americans can't get their assistance, COBRA subscribers can't get their coverage, highway workers lose their jobs and paychecks, and doctors get screwed on Medicare all because Bunning won't allow an emergency waiver [of the rule] requiring that new spending be paid for... EVEN THOUGH BUNNING VOTED AGAINST THE VERY PAYGO PROVISON REQUIRING THAT BACK IN JANUARY!

I love that Rethugs who refused to support PAYGO -- and who spent years running up the deficit with unfunded entitlement programs like Medicare D -- now have the audacity to complain about the Democrats sticking to the rules Democrats established. If Bunning is really serious about paying for it he can go lobby his fellow Rethugs to repeal the Bush/Republican tax cuts for the rich immediately. They could also cut expense allowances for Republican Senators.

Democrats who passed PAYGO understand that it specifically doesn't apply to benefits measures -- like the unemployment benefits in question here.

"President Barack Obama has signed legislation lifting the cap on government borrowing to $14.3 trillion. The new law also puts in place new budget rules to curb growing annual deficits. Known as "paygo" — for "pay as you go" — the rules require future spending increases or tax cuts to be paid for with tax increases or other spending cuts. If the rules are broken, the White House budget office would force automatic cuts in programs like Medicare and farm subsidies. Most other benefit programs, including Medicaid, Social Security and food stamps, would be exempt"

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http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9821095
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http://www.politicalcartoons.com/cartoon/b6977d9e-978c-471e-a127-bd8a8a8d2764.html

Well lets just exclude Kentucky from all unemployment benefits. Lets start there then freeze all current federal money to Kentucky. No more federal money until they can elect a senator that gives a care about the average US citizen. After all "We The People" are giving Kentucky money, all of us and this dirt bag is holding the unemployed hostage. How Un-American can you get?

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Lorna,"nutty Teabagger right wing politics"? Would that be the same nutty teabaggers that Nancy Pelosi says she has a lot in common with?

Posted by: Terry | March 1, 2010 6:23 PM
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No, that would be the toothless Tea Klux Klan goon squad that you carry water for, Terry
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Just think of Bunning as Mitch McConnell's middle finger.

Newt the Grinch and his gang tried this back in 1995 on a grander scale: shut down the government for several days across the board.

It sort of backfired.

Using the hapless Bunning as the Replican "point man" for slimy, craftily-thrown mudball may backfire as well.

Because it's emblematic of the whole Replican modus operandi:

Mouth platitudes, but pitch beanballs and spitballs.

Hey Mr Bunning you claiming that elevator is for senators only says it all about what you think about the people you are supposed to be representing...but I say that is THE PEOPLE'S ELEVATOR BECAUSE WE PAY FOR IT!

Nessie,
Yeah, almost a 'socialist' elevator.

Bunnings actions regarding the elevator incident reflect how classless and uneducated he really is. His actions regarding suspending unemployment benefits reflect how unpatriotic, unAmerican and hypocritical he is and what he actually thinks about working and middle class Americans.

Two Swamp articles on this kerfuffle.
Versus zero Swamp articles on the rise in new unemployment claims.
Versus zero Swamp articles on Obama extending the Patriot Act that, during the campaign, he and his fellow Democrats trashed.
Versus zero Swamp articles on .....
All this is one reason why 71% of the American people think that the press is biased (according to the latest Pew Poll).

Paulo, you need to wash your hands after typing that entry. Let me explain the simple stuff to you; Unemplyment Insurance is for WORKERS that were laid off by their employers becasue there was no more work. I can assure your thick skull, that these WORKERS would rather be back at work making 2 to 3 times what they get from UI. UI doesn't even cover your basic living expenses....it just slows the bleeding a little bit until the economy picks up. But, this time it won't pick up, and this time, guys like you might just find a pitchfork stuck in your assets.

Bunning, in my opinion, is doing this to spite the Pugs....kind of like going down in flames while giving his former party a big black eye. Politics is a chess game, and in reality, he is giving the bird to the pugs. I wish the sheeple would wake up.

Xcellentform,

Paulo says; "It's a proven fact that the 'lazy" people will stay on unemployment insurance for as long as they can vs. looking for another job. "

Simple Paulo doesn't know you have to provide a work search to receive UI.
You can't explain the simple stuff to Paula because he IS the simple stuff.

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It's a proven fact that the 'lazy" people will stay on unemployment insurance for as long as they can vs. looking for another job.
Some of these obama voters have been on unemployment insurance for almost a year...as long as the government keeps extending the
program these lazies would rather suck off the government nipple than work.
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Posted by: Paulo | March 1, 2010 8:34 PM
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Got any PROOF to back up this ridiculous claim? Post links to actual studies that support your allegation ... if you can.

I think Paula makes the best case for why "compassionate conservatives" are nothing but hypocrytical propogandists that only care about themselves......he gets his share, and your share too. Oh, and Paula, I'd LOVE to see your proof...since it is a proven fact and all.

yeah, it is real difficult to claim you were searching for a job.

What simpleton libs don't seem to grasp is that if you haven't found a job within a year, the market isn't placing the same value on your skills as you have. If you were a steel worker and the industry shed 2/3rds of its jobs, no amount of unemployment would carry you until "the economy picks up."

I just love the compassion of libs when they are giving away other peoples money. If you want to support your neighbor while he sits around his house for a year "looking" for a job, no one is stopping you. If you didn't think the tax cuts were good for the economy then why didn't you continue to pay at the higher rate?

No my lib friends, you wanted to claim you would find the funding for your pet payoffs and slush funds with Paygo. Then you liars turn around on the very first major bill and want to ignore the law you just passed. You were called out on it and the lies were laid bare for all to see.

The fed has said that unemployment is 1 - 1.5% higher than it would be wo extended UI benefits. What evidence do you libs have that this isn't happening?

Hans, you seam to be fairly smug and ignorant, but here are some facts for you to digest: One of the largest economic sectors that has been hit by this bush recession is the construction industry....both residential and commercial. You can't outsource those jobs, and those skill-sets still hold their value for a year....that is until deflation sets in, which unfortunately it has.

FYI, those that are unemployed are/ or had looked for jobs. I hear the reports about a 6/1 applications/ job rate, but unfortunately my pug friend....those are statistics, and not "real life". In the real life, job offers of $12/ HR or so, are having 200+ job applications. Sure, maybe for a $7/hr McJob, there might be a 2/1 ratio, but that's your statistics for you.

I like your strawman that you set up on the second post, but the sad part is, is that you obviously only care about the upper 1% of the demographics, not the bottom 1%. Also, if you believe statistics, you deserve the sheeple label. Do you want to know what happens to that 1.5% of the population that you refer to.....they drop off the radar map, that's what happens to them. Your insinuation that they go out and get jobs is a plethora of ignorance. I would guess that if you add the unemployed "numbers", with the underemployed "numbers", and then add the ones that have dropped off the statistical map, you are looking at 25% of the workforce.

So I'm glad you sit in the fortunate 75%, but 1/4 of America is in REAL bad shape, and if you think America can afford to piss on 25% of its people, then you deserve to be a proud Republican, and you forgot your history lessons.

But wait, the ignorance lesson is not finished, as it does not stop with the 25% of workers. I know of a good percentage of elderly that are have lost lost of money durring this bush depression. Some are living longer than they planned for, and I know of many reverse-mortages being used to supliment losses in the stock market and miscalculations on savings. The elderly popluation is suffering too, which of course is not in that 25% figure, nor are the kids. So, I think it is safe to say that at a minimum, 50% of Americans are suffering right now as you type away at your ignorance.

I hope the breeze doesn't blow you off your hill up there.

Lorna Halverson,

I think the genetleman in that picture has his teeth and why do you say he is part of the KKK? Did Senator Byrd give you inside info on this?

You are about as bright as that dimwit Congresswoman named Debbie Halverson. Any realtion?

Horrible Form,

Let's explain unemployment compensation to you. You do have to do a little job search - get in the car once a week and know on a few doors. Easy enough, time is on your side. Here in Illinois, unemployment can get you $400/wk for a single and $500/wk for someone with dependents. $500 per week is the same as a full-time job that pays $12.50/ hour (a little higher when you factor in tax w/hs). There are plenty of jobs that the unemployed person won't even consider filling until they are close to running out of benefits. Since this is the BO economy we are talking about, even those low wage jobs are hard to come by.

It's always amusing when the GOP hicks rally in defense of their depraved, alabaster-tinted leaders, even if it means mounting against their own self-interests or those of their fellow rednecks. In this case, they're stupidly opposing their own base by insisting that those on unemployment are lazy and deserving of nothing. Turns out that most of the people losing their benefits are from the Red States including Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Kentucky, Missouri, Nebraska, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia. How rich. Too bad the backward GOP minions don't have the brain cells to realize it was their own who sold them out.

If you are so upset about the unemployed, why don't you tell your president and your majority ruling democrats to actually DO SOMETHING that will put people back to work? You know, like tax cuts. Stop with the socialist agenda, relax regulations and government being in the way of business expansion. No business will hire in this environment. Or, maybe you think that people are actually better off on unemployment.

That picture of 'Bunns' is weird. He looks like the Ghost of the Republican Party.

Trickle-down-teri, while I agree that IL is more generous with their UI than most states, please don't get stuck in your typical "backyard" view of the world.....WI does not work like that, nor do most of the other states. Where would your personal finances be if you had to live on $12 per hour? I think it is safe to say that it would be a slowing of the blood loss for you as well. No one in the industrialized world would think that $12/hr is big money....many would not even consider it as a minumum income, but some would take it as a last resort....if it was there to be taken. The fact of the matter is, is that it is effectively not there for the taking, only Mcjobs, which turn a slow blood leak into a hemorrage. We are not talking about people that had time to plan for this life strategy, or who had lived like this their whole life....we are talking about people that have gone from making $50K/yr, with bills that are proportionate, and then going to $12/ hr, or nothing, if you are a Bunning supporter. Former middle-class families trying to send 2 kids to college and make house payments on.....your $12/hr "gravey" train. Get a clue trickle-down-teri.

Paulo: how that plan for defending yourself against terrorists coming along?

www.dailyherald.com news story teabagger r-con candidate fails to make payments on his condo but preaches fiscal responsibility for everyone else:

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=363113

Do you have any idea, Paulo, how totally ridiculous you appear in your blog posts?

Silly, disjointed ramblings, unsubstantiated nonsense plus pure meanness toward your fellow human beings but when you are 40 and living in moms basement, you dont need to concern yourself with homelessness or hunger, now do you?

I don't know how anyone can be heartless enough to suggest that most people on unemployment would rather loaf than work. A New Jersey woman was on MSNBC last night, and she had been laid off more than a year. She applied for jobs paying well below what she was used to, and was not hired because she was "overqualified." A lot of people are in the same boat, competing for the same jobs, and they don't need empathy-challenged senators and others kicking them when they are down. Unemployment
benefits are for survival and little else, especially when people have families to feed, house, and clothe.

The fed has said that unemployment is 1 - 1.5% higher than it would be wo extended UI benefits. What evidence do you libs have that this isn't happening?

Posted by: Hans | March 2, 2010 2:28 PM

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FYI the unemployment rate is closer to 19% and many of these are self-employed/independent contractors who do not receive any form of unemployment compensation. For this group of people, there is nothing.19% unemployment is close to what the figure was during the great depression.
Additionally, FYI, employees pay into unemployment insurance which is matched by their employers, so quit harping on as though the beneficiaries made no contributions because they did. Unemployment compensation is not welfare or a freebie handout but rather insurance which they paid into.

While you and your alter ego paolo are entitled to your cold- hearted, callous dog eat dog beliefs, they should not be reflected in public policy and thank God so far they're not.

terry the bagger:

Here in Illinois, unemployment can get you $400/wk for a single and $500/wk for someone with dependents. $500 per week is the same as a full-time job that pays $12.50/ hour (a little higher when you factor in tax w/hs). There are plenty of jobs that the unemployed person won't even consider filling until they are close to running out of benefits. Since this is the BO economy we are talking about, even those low wage jobs are hard to come by.

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..I guess people just have not suffered enough to satisfy you.
Try living on 4 bills a week, when you are used to 60K+

Trickled On Horrible Form,

I rather be the one trickling down than being trickled on.

Never said I was in favor of yanking anyone's unemployment - however, it does provide a negative stimulus for people to look for work. I know unemployed people here in Illinois that will not look at a job unless it pays a minimum of $15/hr since it doesn't make financial sense for them to do so. Also, they probably won't need to look for a long time since the dems will keep passing extensions.

Still Writing Wrongs,

I have friends that are living on $400/wk when they used to make over $1,000/wk. It's not easy, but continued unemployment and Obama's economic policies are just going to keep them
on the couch. That's their words, not mine.