Healthcare approved: House votes

EVEN FAKE RACISM CHARGES CAN'T FLIP ENOUGH VOTES
She STILL doesn't have the votes
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/she_still_doesnt_have_the_vote.html
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Live Pulse: POLITICO Whip Count-210
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/
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Hoyer: Not at 216 yet
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0310/Hoyer_Not_at_216_yet.html?showall

"This is a historic day, and we are happy warriors,'' Larson said. "We will be a part of history, joing Franklin Delano Roosevelt's passage of Social Security, Lyndon Johnson's passage of Medicare and now Barack Obama's passage of healthcare.''

- All of which are broke. Great future we have to look forward to.

The repiglicans know that HCR will be popular, and not a disaster. So they are opposed to it because it will help elect more Dem's. Why do repiglicans hate Americans?

This is garbage!!! Do you really think politicians care about your health???

Health Overhaul's Assault On Business
• $52 billion on companies that do not provide what the government deems "acceptable" or "affordable" insurance for workers.
• $60.1 billion on health insurers.
• $27 billion on drugmakers and importers.
• $20 billion on makers and importers of medical devices.
• $2.7 billion on the tanning industry.
And of course the companies themselves don't pay. You do — both as a consumer, through higher prices, and as an employee, through lower wages.
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As the Tax Policy Center, a center-liberal think tank, noted recently, "Economists generally believe that the burden of payroll taxes is borne by workers in the form of lower wages, regardless of whether the tax is levied on the employer or employee."
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But that's not the end of it.
A new Medicare tax on capital gains, dividends and other investment income has been raised from 2.9% to 3.8%. Supposedly, this is a tax on the "wealthy," those with $200,000 or more in income. It's really a tax on small business, entrepreneurs and investors.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=527934ax hits on businesses and industries include:

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Let's hold our noses as we pass the Republican-Libertarian-T.Baggers' small tent. They have lied this country into a frenzy. They have tried character-assassinated many a good American and for what? To save this nation, to help this nation, even to show a little compassion for those not so well-off !!? No, for that 5-lettered word in the room: GREED.
Sick people, young and old, are being deprived of quality healthcare because the Greedy Healthcare Insurers are rationing, if not, denying, medical attention to the neediest in our nation. The Healthcare Corps' bought and paid for supporters, not to mention the delusional ideologue, who squats in his/her ivory tower, drowning out reason with their pontificating, and to what does their pontifications amount? Simply lies, distortions, name-calling and more lying !! That is it.
Now, America must deal with the unfortunate consequences of their unamerican devices. She must deal with the hate, the venom, the distrust that these mental midgets have unleash across the land !! For what? To deny President Obama and his administration a victory for all of the people of America, a victory for the sick people of our nation, for our elderly, for our young, just to name a few, several million. They have polluted the waters of our national politics with their stinking emotionalism, their incitements, their stupid strategy, but in the end, Healthcare will be reformed and all of you Republican-Libertarian-T.Baggers will be stuck with your bile, your venom and, of course, your Greed. I don't think that will give any of you, much comfort in the coming weeks and months. You have tried to damage our good nation, with your selfish and mean-spirited schemes. May God have mercy on all of you !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Bribes to North Dakota for a student loan company which will be the only remaining student loan company other than the government-transparency in action.
Bribes to Susan Kosmos in Florida, Bill Nelson in Florida, keep Charley Rangel out of jail for the vote yes this bill is for the people but the people don't want it by a 60% to 40% vote except for the sleazy Washington politicians YUCK! Chicago politics has gone national and we have lost freedom. Losing freedom to the government is much like giving to poor housing and destroying their families in the process-beware what you take from the government because the government takes much more from you in the process.
"When you look into the abyss the abyss looks into you."

It is a sad, sad day for the USSA if this socialist crap passes.

awesome. Pass this bill and then make the bill better through reconciliation. Then pass a public option. Then pass a bill that allows people to buy into medicare at cost.

All responsible bills.

The Democrats who think their jobs are "safe" are in for a big surprise in November.

It looks like, as I predicted in July of 2009, That the passage of this bill will be the republiclowns waterloo!

• $2.7 billion on the tanning industry.
That out to really tick off that clown from Ohio with the permenant tan. You got to love John Boehner. He has all his screws loose. It is more goofy than the other clown in the senate...Jolly Mitch. If he ever smiled his face would crack clean off.

It will be interesting to see how many of the additional 16,500 new IRS agents will be in Chicago enforcing the new law that you must pay your insurance premiums. Everyone will be checked on a monthly basis.

This I what happens when Chicago politicians get into the Federal Government. They team up with San Fransiscans and they form a dictatorship that doesn't care what the people think.

Oh, Mike Pence--the articulate angel of the fringe has been at work in Indiana for so long. He and Fox News do a good job using explosive, rhetorical right wing verbiage. How about listening to the facts from the Congressional Budget Office for fair and balanced information?

This is it. Any one who votes for this monstrosity should be out of office this time next year. This is the worst possible bill at the worst possible time.
The democrats have a political perfect storm and they are trying to make the best (worst) of it. I am a republican and I firmly believe that if the republicans had this situation they too would screw up to this extent.

Actually the democrats DID have the perfect storm until the downtrodden citizens of the people's republic of Massachusetts had the affrontery to elect a republican,

Does it strike anyone else out there as it strikes me that the democrats got their veto-proof majority when they added an alumnus of Saturday Night Live to their august ranks?

Speaker Polisi, mentioning "deem and pass" as a posible way to get the bill through was nothing short of genius. She had the rebliclowns talking for 2 days about something that never happened. She just said......"nevermind" what a joke the republiclowns fell for it hook.....line .....and sinker.

cost of GWB et al various pointless wars: 2+ trillion

cost of GWB et al bailouts to his bankster friends: 2+ trillion

that's 4 trillion and growing.

It's about time something was done to actually help Americans.

to those hate-filled bigots and corporate shills, remember this: what goes around, comes around. Do you think for one second your health and well-being means anything to your boss the CEO ? Do you truly believe you are better than other human beings and thus deserving to live another 5 minutes on this planet because you have healthcare insurance?
While you pathetic and revolting hired *keyboards* are entitled to your hateful opinions, they will no longer be reflected in policy and law.

Today will be a great day for America !

Rep.John Larson can gush all he wants on CNN, but the truth is that the Democrats don't have the votes yet because of the abortion issue, which could very well kill this thing in the long run.

How does offering health care INSURANCE to millions of Americans amount to a "government takeover of health care ???"

OH YEAH... Republicans are lying as always.

I can think of some things that cost a lot more than this health care measure:

* Laundering TRILLIONS through Big Oil and Big Defense and calling it "The War in Iraq."
* Giving away tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans over the last 20-30 years, while the lower 80% of Americans end up paying higher taxes.
* The Great Republican Recession that George Worst Ever Bush handed over to the world as he left office.

Historic? Passage of this bill won't be as historic as the November elections will be. A historic number of Democratic incumbents will join the ranks of the unemployed. Then they'll wonder where their priorities were at.

This is the final deal breaker for me and the Democratic party. It is proof positive they are just as much corporate puppets as Republicans. Some are claiming catastrophic policies won't count as mandatory health insurance. So for people like me, who believe modern medicine creates more health problems than it cures, and only wants a high deductible emergency policy tough luck. I will be forced to fork up over $5000 to pay for coverage I don't want. Why don't I just mail it to the scum insurance companies? Who take obscene profits every year then play obesity for the rising costs of health care. Dems, don't EVER count on my support again!!!

Republicans failed to connect in a real way regarding this issue. And that's unfortunate.

There are many of us WITH healthcare insurance that wanted to know why the Repubicans didn't address the health care crisis during the 6 years they had control of all three branches of government. This crisis, after all, has been LOOMING for years.

Yes, we know there were terrorists to worry about, but GW had that covered. What were the Republicans in the House and the Senate doing during all of this time?

Secondly, there is the issue that we all face - with or without HCR. Will we have enough medical staff to meet the needs of the newly insured?

This second is a question that a scant few raised during the past year. That was an incredibly missed opportunity. Why? Why wasn't this CAUSE NUMBER 1, instead of "death panels" and silly issues like that?

The fact that the Republicans failed to address these two issue - with which to begin - is the reason we are now in the place we are. Had they been honest brokers, something different might be on the table.

Almost 90% of Americans have health insurance, so we have to increase our debt tens of billions, increase taxes, and pay for abortions with our tax dollars to help 10%? I worked hard to earn the health insurance I get from my employer. Socialized healthcare doesn't work. Ask people in England or any other country with it. We will see longer waits, procedures being denied because they are too expensive, and good doctors leaving the professions. The majority of the American public does NOT want this bill, but the Dems don't care. The economy should be Obama's only focus right now, but instead he needs to shove this monstrosity down our throats. Go ahead and pass this, Dems, and see how many of you are left come November. I knew Obama would bring about the downfall of this country well before he was elected.

"Government Takeover...Government Takeover....Government Takeover....."

Can any of them think for themselves?

That's all the GOP says. They no they've lost. And have no useful ideas of their own. So they throw out these catchy little lies hoping it sticks.

After the bill passes, and Americans see the GOP's false claims was much ado about nothing, the GOP will go down like the Whigs.

GOP="Gone" Old Party

America really is becoming an "Us Versus Them" nation.

The net effect on today's quasi unconstitutional heist will be felt almost immediately in many current state legislative sessions. A number of states, including Oklahoma, require a separate rider on health insurance policies to cover abortions. Look for others to follow suit. Pro-lifers, I'm sure, would just as soon all of the procedures be held in the District of Columiba.

It's going to be a tough November for many "yea" voting House Dems - stuck to Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi's broomstick like it had super glue.

With control of the White House and Congress (for now), my Dems still have to worry about their coalitions: lesbians/ homosexuals, organized labor, trial lawyers, the ACLU, environmentalists, the bankers and mortgage companies given sweetheart deals and the fringe lefties make very odd bedfellows (gee sorry, I meant bedpersons). And, don't forget the independent voters who largely elected Barack Obama and the congressional majority and who now according to scientific polls are largely deserting him.

It's sad that Iraqis who recently voted in their first naionwide free election turned out in a greater percentage than Americans in any president election in the U.S. in 40 years.

Like the President has repeatedly said - elections have consequences.

You may have the votes for this bill. What about the votes needed to keep you in office?

HCR: Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. This is going to destroy America as a country. This whole fiasco goes directly against what this country is about. I'm sure the liberal side doesn't understand that, since this whole thing is their idea. And that's sad, when you don't understand the concept of your own country.

I would like to propose another bill that would make any member of Congress that votes this horrid healthcare bill into law that allows for abortions, to be arrested and held for being an accessory to "Murder". Why is it that certain people will fight for the right to have an abortion, but will not fight for a person who happens to be on death row,

It will be a Republican sweep in November regardless of whether or not Oblahblahblah's plan passes. The Democrats have shown their true colors, and they aren't pretty. Kiss your political careers goodbye!

The US needs to strip the current 2nd Amendment and be replaced with universal healthcare as a right for all Americans.

The Democrats and their supporters are showing their true colors today. Apparently there is no room for dissent in their world, and anyone who disagrees with them must automatically be a "teabagger" a "rethuglican" or any number of other epithets. The fact of the matter is that most people who oppose this bill also opposed the GOP's wars and the bailouts. At least most of the bailout money will be repaid (much of it already has been), although the war's a sunk cost. That anger is what put the Democrats in power in the first place. Now the Democrats are turning out to be just as bad, and that was the last straw, which is why we saw the strength of the Tea Party movement and the election results in VA, NJ, and MA.

Those elections are already reaping some benefits. Gov. Christie is making some tough, but necessary budget cuts in NJ, and has the public's support. VA is on the same path, and with Scott Brown, Democrats will need to cooperate at least to some degree on the remaining issues (health insurance was different since the Senate passed their bill before Brown took office).

It seems divided government works best, and that's what we need to fight for this November.

Please let this be the end of the debate, and get on with creating jobs!

Dude Angus, author (www.dudeangus.com)

What will the GOP platform look like in November?

Vote Republican!

When corporate greed pushed you out of your job, and your home we mocked you. Not because we don't care, because we don't, but because we h@te Liberals more than you. When the Socialists wanted to give you a tax cut, we said No, for you. When the Radical Left wanted to guarantee equal pay for women and protections against _sexual assault for female contractors, we said No, for you.

When the Left wing _lunatics wanted to extend your unemployment because Republican policies had left the economy teetering on the edge of a cliff, we filibustered, for you. When those _Marxist _Commies passed health care reform we tried like cr@zy to scare the bejeesus out of you, for you. And when those _Statist _Nazis try to reform the financial sector and provide consumer protections, we'll be there blocking them the whole way, for you.

Vote GOP 2010.

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Almost 90% of Americans have health insurance, so we have to increase our debt tens of billions, increase taxes, and pay for abortions with our tax dollars to help 10%? I worked hard to earn the health insurance I get from my employer.

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almost 90% have health insurance? not hardly.

pay for abortions ? ever heard of the Hyde Amendment, which contains very specific language outlawing federal tax $$ for abortions. Besides, life doesn't begin at conception and end the day of birth. You may be anti-abortion but you are not pro-life. I am.
you don't want to pay tax $$ for that which doesn't benefit you directly? I agree, so lets stop funding the FDIC, since most Americans are too broke to have a savings account, anyway so who cares if the banks fold up shop.

We do not have 2 Americas; one for the haves and the rest for the have nots. The working poor, formerly known as the middle class, have been subsidizing the tax-funded *perks* for the wealthy for years; now it's time for them.

Do you plan to attend Rush Limbaugh's bon voyage party?
Look for us; we'll be the ones with the " good riddence" signs.

keep this in mind dems- there are currently 6 states that have Guarantee Issue health care. Compare the cost of a basic HMO plan for a 25 yr old female in IL to the same 25 yr old female in NY and tell me who is going to pay the New York premiums that are quadruple those in Illinois? Oh, that's right, the richest American. Down with Democracy Obama. Hail Socialism.

Democrats say they have the votes now!
Come November the Democrats won't have the votes!

Still Writing and Always Will be Writing Wrongs,

Did FDR Pay for his wars against Germany and Japan? Nope - he ran up the deficits to hire levels, as compared to the GDP, than even BO has done - so far.

You keep mentioning the $4 Trillion for the cost of the bailout (which yiour hero BO voted for) and the war on terror, but you conviently omit the unfunded liability of $107 Trillion created by FDR and LJB for Social Security and Medicare. Just think how much healthcare that could buy?

"what goes around, comes around" - You and your fellow flatliners will be on the boomerang end come November.

10% is the uninsured number. BO in his address to Congress last summer used the 30 million number for health insurance. There are just over 300 million people in the country. Can you finish the math problem?

BOCare will allow for federal funds to be sued for abortions. Why do you think BO is considering signing an executive order to get more votes (only if he needs them) to extend the Hyde Amendment?

And for your third strike of the post, Rush Limbaugh did not say he was leaving the country if BO Care passes. he said he would go to Costa Rica to get his health care treatment.

As the Hawk would say "You Gone".

It is amazing how many false reasons the democrats make up for why people oppose the government seizure and control of the health care industry ( Health care overhaul). They say we are greedy, or that we are stupid, and that we are teabaggers. They just can't grasp the idea that we are opposed to communist activity by our government. Communist social programs never save money and are never run well. They are just a way for the government to control us and to dip into our wallets deeper. Whenever the masses are in a recession or depression, with a high unemployment rate, they are easy targets for the communist promises that are too good to be true. Instead of making some horrible sniping remark about my comment, just think for a moment about the possibility that I am right.

writerofwrongs: "The working poor, formerly known as the middle class, have been subsidizing the tax-funded *perks* for the wealthy for years; now it's time for them.
" Where do you get this?!? In 1990, the richest 1% of Americans earned 14% of the income in this country but paid 25% of the taxes (explain the "perks" to me in this equation, please). In 2005, the richest 1% were earning 21% of the income and paying 39% of the taxes. So yes, the rich do get richer but they are also paying MORE, exponentially so. If you expand it, you'll find that the richest 5% earned 36% of the income in 2005 yet paid 60% of the taxes. Source for this data: The US Treasury Deparment. Check your facts before you spout rhetoric. And if you think that the working poor are being burdened now, just wait until the tax bill for BO's multi-trillion dollar bail-out and this disaster of a healthcare plan comes around.

Don't be so sure. Did you ever hear "don't count your chickens before they hatch" Not everyone is ready to kill unborn children before they ever have a chance. BE CAREFUL IT A SUNDAY TO MOST AMERICAN NOT TO BLACK MUSLIM YOUR PRAYERS AND PRESENCE. It's not over yet!!!!!

Dear Representatives: If you're in office simply to worry about being re-elected, you deserve to be thrown out of office. Vote your conscience, which if you have one, should be, in my opinion a yes vote. Seriously, vote for what you think is honest and right. That's what you're there for.

What the Democrats don't seem to understand is that if this bill passes and thus signed into law, they will have bigger problems... namely 20 to 25% unemployment! There will be MASSIVE layoffs due to the increased tax burdon on corporations, in addition to those costs being passed on to every consumer. And then what's going to happen? You thought the last couple of years under Bush Jr. were bad with recession... stand by for heavy rolls America!

And before anyone accuses me of being a "corporate shill", corporations are the reason that many of you here are employed. And like it or not, corporations are in business to make money... plain and simple. So increased taxes on them means less money to pay you, which in turn means either pay cuts or layoffs!

I have to say it, obama led these sheep to the slaughter ,what a bunch of bone heads they do not deserve to be re-elected

The measure of a nation is how it treats its most vulnerable members. This bill is not perfect, not by a long shot. But damn, it's a step in the right direction and a move toward the day when American individuals AND businesses will no longer be strangled by the beast American health care had become.

this is a good day for the middleclass and individuals with health related problems - thank goodness

if you have the votes, you vote....they don't have the votes...if they pass this abortion of a bill, the democrats will sign their death warrant for november....

As the cliche goes--Just DO IT!
The un-insured among us have suffered long enough. Time to call this a wrap... much more to be done as we talk Domestic Agenda. Its time to turn the page. And Now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_47aqBwMN4

Congressman and Senators: vote for this health-care bill and you'll join whats left of the private sector in November.

Pass it!

I like how Obama made this a Democrat vs Republican issue.

Does he realize WE are the ones that vote the politicians into office?

The Politicians should have voted for what we wanted, not a Democrat vs Republican issue.

Now we all get to pay more in taxes and will make less money, while the Politicians who voted yes for this will vote for themselves nice big pay raises and be exempt from anything in this Bill.

Cancel the Fourth of July. March 21st now marks the birth of the USSA.

thank you for redistributing more of my income. u.s. gov't equals FAIL.

Betwen the fact that the President preached "transparency" but has shrouded everything with "privacy," he's given the GOP a lot to work with. Apparently, Senate Republicans have already started --- a news report that they've found a way stop the "fix" bill when it arrives - maybe.

You really have to get away from Washington (and away from Chicagoland where corruption is worshipped and always will be) and be in a state where the transition has been so great because of the gigantic left turn the National Democrat Party has taken. These people are not organized from the top down, they're PO'd fro the bottom up and are a force to be reckoned with and should not ridiculed.

wholly unworthy of a free people

Can't wait until all these ill-informed sheeple who actually think that this bill will help them find out the truth of what this really is. LOL

Normally, I would feel empathy for these dopes but today....screw e'm.

They will sink with the good ship USSA with the rest of us.

Ain't obamaville grand!

Sickening! I never in my entire life thought I would be uttering the words "hope Republicans succeed," but I hope they can stop this terrible bill. Do these naive people who are cheering really understand you must cough up 20% of your income to the insurance crooks? In addition to your out of pocket expenses if you get sick. You want the government telling you you can't take a vacation, send your kids to college, or remodel your house? What is the difference if you are forced to hand over your money to greedy insurance companies to cover your poisoning by Pharma. (What health care has degenerated to in the U.S.) Fools!
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/15/health-care-on-the-road-to-neo-feudalism/

Wahhh wahhhh wahhh! There are a lot of whining losers here today, just like they were on 11/3/08. Someone call them a whaaahmbulance. This is good for Americans, and bad for repiglicans. What a great day. America is reborn.

Right wing predictions over the past 2 years:

"He can only win primaries"
"Romney will be the Republican nominee"
"Giuliani will be the Republican nominee"
"PUMAS will disrupt the Denver convention - No way Obama will bet the nomination"
"He can't win against their war hero"
"The choice of Palin will bring Hillary voters over to the Republican side"
"The Oily Taintz lawsuit will prevent him from being sworn in"
"The bill will never make it out of a House Committee"
"There aren't enough votes in the House for final passage"
"The bills will never make it out of the 5 Senate Committees"
"The Senate will never be able to consolidate the 5 bills"
"The Senate will never vote to invoke cloture"
"The Senate will never pass the final bill"
"The Stupak 12 will stop everything"
"There will be no vote before Easter"
"NO WAY they can get to 216"

One would think the right wingers, after such a string of predictions, would hang their heads in shame and never comment on matters political again

And after this is passed, the next thing they have to do is to punish LIEberman!

YOU'VE BEEN STUPAK'ED

Parents - if you didn't do everything within your power to STAND ON YOUR REPRESENTATIVE'S HEADS TO VOTE NO on the so-called "health care bill" - then you have no right to complain - ever.

This bill sends every state over the edge financially - states and school districts who were already strapped.

BUT Obama got his way! He got his "historical moment." Look into the eyes of your children and tell them that their futures are forever altered...because you sat on your behind and refused to be educated and informed - and because you faiiled them.
No one has an excuse anymore for not being educated. We have internet.

You simply cannot be a passive consumer - and expect everything to fall into your lap...

A snake has entered your nest, little birdie - and are consuming your children. So squawk - but you better have a pretty good plan - or they will be complete devoured.

Here's a hint: Vote OUT every Democrat that voted YES for this plan - that would be EVERY DEMOCRAT. this november.
Need to find out who your representative was?
Here you go: http://www.votesmart.org/

AND here's where to see who BOUGHT your Representative's vote (heretofore called "campaign funds")
opensecrets.org

So - you go ahead and listen to those Democratic Senators and Representatives - and vote for them just because they are black or nice or minority or whatever.

Go ahead. Keep it up. And keep squawking.......
That's the only consolation that I have.

Whatever - this will be an expensive and epic failure. The Middle Class, the one's that this legislation is supposed to help, will be stuck with the bill in the end as always. Just another redistribution program punishing people for their hard earned achievements.

Both parties are proven failures. When will they wake up and realize that anything the government controls ends up in shambles and costs more in the end.

Wise up taxpayers! And don't rely on the garbage "Tea Party" movement either!
There's no such thing as a Free Lunch!

At some point in the future we'll long for the days when the federal deficit was a 'measly' $12.67 trillion...

Yeas and Nays by posting:

Yeas:
I_heart_Schadenfreude
Don Fitzgerald, IL
alex
dickrichardsfromdixmore
BZ
writerofwrongs
Action Jackson
Tell the Truth
syj
RomanB
Dude Angus
Don in Plainfield
Tom R
lamonth
Talkdiva2
Chris

Nays:
Matt P
Bobby Mobbie
Mike
Florida Jim
BDD
Chuck
North Shore
terry
CGull
position
FatNSassy
B
Oak Park Lefty
John Q Public
Will
Paul
Mack
KPO'M
Kevin
skepticalsurfer
Check the facts
nadineannette
The CLM
bob
jo
Michael J. Stevko
joe
hurtsme2
JAC

By a vote of 16 to 29, the "Nays" have it. LMAO.

Back in 2003, I don't believe the SWAMP was around. If it was, I'd sure wish Mark would list the names of the posters who voted FOR and AGAINST GW's trillion dollar, unfunded war of choice in Iraq that continues to this day; and, in case you haven't noticed, it is a war whose outcome is still very much in doubt.

But, as a public service to the posters of the SWAMP, this is the breakdown of the vote by posters as of 5:46 p.m.. If I had to guess, I'd say that it's pretty much the reverse of the vote on GW's unfunded war of choice.

I'm also going to guess that the same people who voted AGAINST HCR are going to pull an Aaron Schrock and stand by constituents as they receive health care thanks to HCR.

AND WE'LL HAVE YOUR JOBS IN 8 MONTHS !!!!

I don't vote for my legislative representatives to "vote their conscience". I vote for them to represent me. PERIOD!

Vote your conscience now, I'll vote your record come November.

By a vote of 16 to 29, the "Nays" have it.
Posted by: Tell the Truth | March 21, 2010 6:47 PM
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Ummm... what's your point? I was against the illegal and immoral war in Iraq just as much as I am for HCR.

Wait until they legalize all the illegal immigrants!

To the Democrats. No company can afford to pay out $10k in medical treatment per visit when collecting $100 to $200 or so a month. What will happen is the insurance companies will pull out and/or become insolvent. The government will run our health care and will realize they can't afford it and will have to a) severely restrict coverage b) raise all our taxes to about 300X our income to afford it. There is no company that can remain solvent when the medical industry charges $7k for a breast mri that costs them less than $1000 to perform/read etc.. Do you realize how many months of premium it would take you to pay for that?? When are you going to address the medical industry is overcharging? if they charged normal, fair rates, (and not the 300-500% markups which are common), then we wouldn't even NEED insurance. Plus remember that Michelle worked for a hospital and they fronted Obama over $1mm so he is covering their behinds. Basically this alone will collapse our economy. We need to vote these oldies out of office immediately. Also, legislation needs to be enacted immediately that congress can make no laws that they don't abide by. They need to be forced into the socialized healthcare they are plugging and PAY FOR IT... period.

Okay, the dems have the votes to swing this deal it appears. Stupak will find out in the future he was lied to
when abortions are being included in this great new glorious system that will lead to new taxes for everyone (not just the wealthy). Since this bill targets taking more from investors let's see what kind of sell-off there is in the morning.

It looks like the BAD GUYS may win. TOO BAD. Many of you who are rallying behind these MORONS will soon be crying,. AND THOS OF US WHO KNOW WHAT THEY STAND FOR will laugh in your faces. TOO BAD those of you who want this SOCIALIZED health care, CAN"T BE FORCED TO PAY FOR IT
ALL YOURSELVES.

The end of America as we once knew it begins tonight. Never thought I would see it happen in my lifetime.

It's great that a party that touts it's for "Science," yet tries to pass laws that repeal the basic rules of mathematics and economics are in power.

This will end well for America.

If this bill get to be law, I will no longer fly the American Flag it will have to be replaced by the old USSR. Thanks Dumbocrats for you change. It is not for the better. It is the beginning of the end to freedom of choice, freedom to live, hope when the young dumbocrats become 65 that they then realize what a terrible change they made. It will be their turn to be denied medical care that will be denied to the those that are now retired. How does it feel to put a death sentence on your parents? There will be rationing of medical care. You tried to fix the problem, but cause far greater damage.

Don't be so sure. Did you ever hear "don't count your chickens before they hatch" Not everyone is ready to kill unborn children before they ever have a chance. BE CAREFUL IT A SUNDAY TO MOST AMERICAN NOT TO BLACK MUSLIM YOUR PRAYERS AND PRESENCE. It's not over yet!!!!!

Oh my, you dropped your Klan hat off at the local prostitute house didn't you? Better hurry back to your trailer in the pick up truck you missed payments on because the cost of swill beer was raised up to fix the roads that you have been blowing up with all the dynamite you stole from your uncle's factory.

This is not good. I am 100% in favor of universal health care, but the bill that is under proposal right now is going to fail and lead to serious increases in rates and major problems. This is what happens when absolutely everything is a "battle to the end" on Capitol Hill" and nothing is evaluated on its true merit; only on its political worth. Very sad.

I bet Bobbie Mobbie wishes he could take his predictions post down.

Finally! Health care for a majority of americans
is now possible! It is now time to target all republicans -defeat them in all elections now and in the future! If you see a tea paty event - take pictures of them and post on the internet. all repuhblicans must now be idenifred as members of the tea party group!

Representative Edward J. Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, said: “On health care, the Democratic party is the party of hope, and the Republican party is the party of Nope.” He added, “The G.O.P. used to stand for the Grand Old Party. Now it stands for grandstand, oppose and postpone.”

in the bill, no way to prevent the insurance companies from double your premiums. If you dont pay them, you get fined or go to jail. Eat, or pay health insurance. Starve to death because I dont want to be a felon. end result, I die. This is unconstitutional to force someone to choose between a childs education and paying extrememly high health insurance. Small companies will close. Large companies will move to another country. High unemployment. Poverty. crime. All for a political party. Shame on them in washington, shame on this country for putting them in a position where they forget who they work for. 68 percent of the country does not want this. Sad day for america. Sad day for my family. God bless us all. Vote them out in November Republicans and democrats alike. It is time to stop putting lawyers in office and put regulay americans who care about us, no their pockets.

My parents were saved by that darn Socialist government insurance. One day, when you can't work, you will also be saved. That's the real death sentence, to be older, not able to work, and short of money. Would one of you scare mongers please tell me what you would do - besides die?

lil ter-ter:
Here is a link to your hero, the ultimate pasty white guy Rush Limbaugh, himself, stating that he will leave this country:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/limbaugh-ill-leave-us-if_n_491536.html

Naturally, his apologists are going to re-write the facts...

I grew up lower middle class and my husband was middle class. We have worked, struggled, given to charity when we could, helped others and our home town, raised two successful kids and now that we are approaching retirement, we face giving more of our hard-earned money to the government to support this flawed bill that 72% of the people in this country do not want. We have deligently saved money for our retirement and may face having to pay a high tax rate on it. So I guess hard work in America does pay off - for the government. The so-called leaders in DC don't care one hoot about any of us. They are wealthy people in their own right, especially Nancy Pelosi. It's no wonder she has a big grin on her face all the time - it won't affect her any and we will still be paying for her jet which flies her home each weekend on our diminished incomes. 'Remember in November!'

Milton Friedman said there are only two ways that goods and services can be distributed: through 300 million making free choices everyday or the govenment choosing who among us they will grant goods and services. We have recreated 535 European type royals. It is seductive to think Big Government can provide us safety and stability; such is what the Soviets thought with central planning. In fact, it is us, acting freely, that can provide. Now, our Big Government is choking the Golden
Goose of FREE MARKETS and FREE PEOPLE that "had" produced the most vibrant economy in the world. We will all be poorer and join the rest of the world in third rate care. Instead of having the highest cancer survival rates in the world, we will sink to mediocrity with long waits, broken medical equipment, and unmotivated medical providers. Fewer will saddle themselves with $300,000 med school loans. Instead we will have more IRS agents and more government bureaucrats.

This pretty much says it all:

With his health care holy war, President Obama is sending America at least 10 messages since taking office:

1. I win; you lose.
2. My will; not the will of the people.
3. Government of Obama, by Obama, for Obama; not government of the people, by the people, for the people.
4. Corrupt House rules and autocracy; not play by the rules and democracy.
5. “I’ll tread on you” now steps on “Don’t tread on me.”
6. “I, the president”; not “We, the People.”
7. “All men are created equal” but I am more equal than others.
8. “The dissent of the president” overrules “the consent of the governed.”
9. “Give me tyranny and give me debt” replaces “Give me liberty or give me death.”
10. “That government is best which governs most” supersedes “That government is best which governs least.”

Everyone has health care. It's health care paid for by other people that some of you want. It's the votes of unthinking people that the democrats want.

When 20 million people are added to the insurance rolls and they think that free health care means they go to the doctor for every sniffle, and when the government cuts reimbursement rates to those physicians required to see those freeloaders, then the system will collapse.

Doctors will leave the system. Care will become mercilessly rationed as every government run health care system in the world is running out of money and providing substandard care.

Many of us may have to go to Costa Rica for quality health care as Rush will do. At least those of us who are left with any wealth and income after the socialists "even the outcomes" and make us all equally unemployed and destitute.

terry, the official r-con beancounter:
(snip)
BOCare will allow for federal funds to be sued for abortions. Why do you think BO is considering signing an executive order to get more votes (only if he needs them) to extend the Hyde Amendment?

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so whats the problem ? the Hyde Amendment has withstood legal challanges and if Obama needed to further re-inforce it, he will.

What is curious to me is that the RNC offered abortion coverage in it's employees healthcare insurance, and only until the RNC was outed for it's hypocricy, was an order issued by Michael Steele to end this practice.
Seems the r-cons don't practice what they preach anyway.

Socialism here we come!!!

Liberals you cannot justify this disastrous healthcare bill by comparing it to the Iraq war. One has nothing to do with the other. The war will end, it already has. This monster will live forever and consume more and more of the budget and your tax dollars and your freedom to choose a doctor and your treatment. Remember the government refuses treatment TWICE as much as any insurance company.

But, we all know that your logic is always flawed, your arguments based on irrelevant red herrings, and your programs failures: welfare, Social insecurity, Schools, any foreign policy, promoting home ownership to people that should never have been approved for loans, tax and spend and spend.

It's a legacy of failure.

Republican executive office control for 8 of the past nine years, Republican majority control of both houses of Congress for 12 of the past 14 years, yielding 75% of the current budget deficit, two wars, tax cuts for the wealthiest 5% of Americans, the worst terrorist attack on mainland US in history...and we should believe and support anything Republicans say. NEVER! Lies, lies and more lies from these unpatriotic, unchristian frauds who want control of the government back at any cost. I hope they all lose their health care coverage and are forced to buy it individually.

Liberals you cannot justify this disastrous healthcare bill by comparing it to the Iraq war. One has nothing to do with the other. The war will end, it already has. This monster will live forever and consume more and more of the budget and your tax dollars and your freedom to choose a doctor and your treatment. Remember the government refuses treatment TWICE as much as any insurance company.

But, we all know that your logic is always flawed, your arguments based on irrelevant red herrings, and your programs failures: welfare, Social insecurity, Schools, any foreign policy, promoting home ownership to people that should never have been approved for loans, tax and spend and spend.

It's a legacy of failure.

Americans better wake up. The voting ink has not even dried today on the health care debacle and Obama is already making a play for 'immigration reform'. What does he mean? Probably complete amnesty that translates into buying votes, in my opinion. How can democrats consider this health care vote a 'win'? When there has been cheating, lying, bribing, turning the Constitution on its head, ignoring the majority of American voters, and using gestapo tactics; how can anyone but an idiot consider this a 'win'? It's a shameful disgrace, that's what it is.

The United States of America. July 4, 1776 to March 21, 2010.

Thanks Obama.

The Democrats that voted for this will be out of office SOON, unfortunetly, we are still STUCK with Odrama for a little longer.

So this is how Liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

The Democrats pass this, yet they have the nerve to blame the GOP for the country's financial mess? I'd say there's plenty of blame for all involved.

Vote them all out in November!

We have just rocked down the hill at full speed into becoming a socialist country on par with Europe. No one notices that the tax increases start immediately but the benefits wait four years -- no wonder it "saves" money. Do you REALLY believe that the politicans will keep their hands off this "new" money. You people are fools and you are bringing us all down with you. How also do you mental giants figure that a 50% tax on domestic medical device makers (watch -- most with brains will leave these shores before long) will help reduce the cost of these devices. What kind of vodoo economics are you people looking at. It is a very sad day for this country. I only hope that the slew of lawsuits will stop or slow this monstrosity down.

A landmark day for the health of the American people. Thank you, Mr. President.

Don Fitzgerald, your leader is run by Harry Reid, Pelosi and Rahm. You must be so proud. Damn us and bile and venom? Yes Donnie boy enjoy when you see the rising costs of inflation and the "Advisory Board" demands you shut your mouth and stop eating Twinkies while washing down with Kool Aid. Enjoy it now you fools your day of reckoning has come.

What the Hey! I used to get my news from CNN, and my entertainment from FOX. Now after watching C-SPAN and the Republicans class act, I may now get some of my entertainment from C-SPAN! Remember the republicans never do anything for this country, they only do things to this country! whiteagle38

Why do I feel like my country let me down today ? Maybe all the naysayers are wrong, but how can so many be wrong about this bill being bad for the country ? 66% of the people do not want this bill can they all be wrong ? Today is my 50th birthday, and the my elected official let me down, my country which I served let me down. Some how maybe this will work out for the good, but my heart tells me this is bad for the Country and bad for me.

Passing a controversial bill at 10pm on a Sunday night while most of America is in bed after begging for votes from their own party members for months is really something to be proud of...Can't wait for the midterm elections when the American people will show what they truly think about this bogus and expensive healthcare reform. This is a sad day in American history. The voices and opinions of the people were truly stifled by anxious politicians trying to put political points on the board. God Help Us.

I was and am still against this bill. I hope the states that sue are sauccessful. But the wingnuts are still as stupid as usual. One of the dumber ones is Terry. So he has a problem with a former cast member from Saturday Night live? Than I guess he had a big problem with a former actor from "Bedtime for Bonzo".

The federal government seems to do a more than adequate job with building and maintaining interstate highways, controlling air traffic, making me strip naked to prove I'm not going to blow up the airplane I'm going to ride on, providing school hot lunches and breakfasts, delivering my mail (especially the bills), keeping our food safe to eat and our water safe to drink, and providing medical care to the elderly, the poor and military veterans. I have a feeling they'll do just fine providing quality medical insurance. Nanny state? Calm down, teapartyers. I'm afraid that ship has already sailed;-)

Yes!! People, don't be afraid! This isn't any more socialist than Social Security. I worked hard all my life for my health insurance and as soon as I got too sick I didn't have any health insurance anymore, so I guess I'm in that 10% waiting to be subsidized. I am choosing between medication and food. After 40 years in the workforce, paying taxes and into social security, is it socialism for my government to help me? Wouldn't any of you want the same for yourselves, your parents, or your children? Where is your sense of decency? I thought our society was to be measured by how well we take care of our vulnerable, who cannot take care of themselves?

Thank you, President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and the House and Senate Democratic leadership for taking an historic first step toward fixing our broken health care system. As the spouse of a young adult cancer patient, I am especially greatful that my family, and millions of other Americans will not have to worry about being denied coverage due to a pre-existing health condition.

Democrats say yes to Americans, republicans say no.

Congratulations to President Obama and Congressional Democrats for their vision and tremendous historical accomplishment!!!

TO Rush LimpBaugh and the Tea-baggers (a.k.a new aged KKK, Domestic Terrorists, anti-Americans), please do move out of America!

Disastrous day for this country. I am not against a single payer system, I am against Americans giving their hard earned money to the insurance companies. Especially since there are many loopholes that can allow them to not pay their claims. And no cost controls on Pharma. But you can bet they will nag us about lifestyle to rake in more bucks for their greedy selves. On the other hand, can they really imprison everyone who refuses to buy insurance or pay the fine? Changes your taxes for minimum withholding and just say no!

"Socialism" would be great if we had it. The Xstian Gospels advocate socialism.

What have we got, that the T-baggers and repiglicans want to keep? Insurance companies rationing health care and raking 35% off the top of premiums for profit and "expenses".
The young and healthy able to opt out and let the sick bear all the cost, then crying foul when insurance companies cite a pre-existing condition when they get sick and want to be insured.

The Health Care Bill forces insurance to be more of a sharing of risk, the way it's supposed to be, but it's still using expensive, self-serving insurance companies to do it.

Socialism it ain't!

What would be socialism, in the good sense of the word?
Medicare.
Government administered, treating all alike, and costing -

are you ready? -

4% of premium, instead of the 35% insurance companies charge.
OK - add up to 6% for some pretty awful fraud that we can and should legislate out of existence. That's still only 10% of premium.

I WANT SOCIALISM!

It would have been nice if they could have shown they were capable of successfully running the military's heath care before trying ours.

Here is my take on the bill:

http://www.csdaley.com/2010/03/enjoy-costa-rica-rush.html

The Senate's bill passed the House with only two votes to spare.

- Chicago Tribune

"The House's 219-212 vote tonight on a Senate-passed bill..."

- Mark Silva

The right always criticizes government for being unable to do things right.

Here is yet another example of the private sector (represented by the Tribune) that makes mistakes.

The margin was 3, NOT 2.

I wonder if the same people writing the headlines for the Trib worked on Wall Street and nearly ran into financial ruin with their inability to count.

You democrats/liberals are a sweet bunch. Why dont you move to France where you belong. Disgraceful.

I never, in my worst nightmare, thought I would witness the death of a nation.
I never thought that I would not be able to leave to my offspring, a nation I was born in to.
We no longer live in a republic where you make your own choices in life, as you see fit and with in the rule of Constitutional law and Constitutional integrity.
We no longer have a Representative form of Government that represents the will of the people.
For hundreds of years, people from across the world came to America to flee Oligarchy.
The last bastion of freedom, our nation, today has been thrown in to the depths of an Oligarchy.

"The way to secure liberty is to place it in the people's hands, that is, to give them the power at all times to defend it in the legislature"
-John Adams

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To all of you who fret or despair over the passage of the health care boondoggle, I say this: Take courage. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, this isn't the end, or even the beginning of the end. It is, perhaps, only the end of the beginning.
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A number of states have started work on lawsuits challenging this law. I can pretty much guarantee that a number of organizations and private individuals will do likewise. With the enormity of this law, and the novelty of the power exercised as a result of it, I can’t see how this case won’t make it all the way to the Supreme Court. As I said before, the debate hasn't ended. It is just moving from the halls of one branch of government to another.
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On a personal note: I plan not to comply with the law. I will pay the penalties, or suffer anything else they throw at me. A good deal of civil disobedience to this law, and all of those like it, is now required of those who love liberty. Just keep it peaceful.

Good start to HCR. Let's all support Grayson's medicare buy-in plan for all. This plan will give all Americans the choice of buying into Medicare at cost.

It will expand consumer choice and help control cost. Most importantly, it'll allow people like me to purchase a plan for my wife that doesn't cost $770 per month (and she's healthy and young!)

Remember, remember, on the 5th of November,
The Democrats Healthcare plot.
I can think of no reason,
their deals and their treason,
Should EVER be forgot!

VOTE THEM OUT IN NOVEMBER!

What arrogance. What shame.

The Democrats used a reconciliation process that's NEVER been used except for budgetary items - never for a bill this significant. Many of the backroom deals to buy votes will stay in place. The unions get their tax exemption.

About 16,000 new IRS employees (unionized) will be hired to make sure everyone BUYS and MAINTAINS government-approved- health insurance. If not, they will be fined, jailed or their assets seized.

NEVER before has there been legislation requiring citizens and businesses to PURCHASE a service - it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! What's next? Mandates for people to use only government approved doctors, buy only government-approved internet service, green cars or food?

VOTE OUT EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRATS AT EVERY LEVEL NOT JUST IN NOVEMBER BUT 2012 AND BEYOND!!!!!

They almost scuttled it, but close is not good enough.

Now the camel's nose is in the tent, and this camel has a mighty big nose!

In terms of social welfare legislation, Barack is ahead of FDR by about 2 years.

With 7 to go, the Beast will be well fed indeed.

Groooover, did you ever think this day would come?

We have taken our first step toward equality in the healthcare system. The republican party missed an opportunity to do the right thing. If tort reform was such a big deal why wasn't it done during the Bush administration when they controled the government. Sounds like they where just trying to wreck healthcare reform.

Thank you too Mike Quigley. And a giant raspberry to that stand in for Daddy Lipinski.

You stupid wingnuts don't even realize that you are the reason Obama was elected in the first place. Read your own stupid rhetoric! The end of democracy? The House and Senate were elected and those representatives voted for the bill. The end of the United States? I'll wake up tomorrow and go to work and it will still be the United States. And by the way Jon- yes, the GOP is still to blame. We'll see whether or not this bill makes it worse, but it hasn't done anything, yet. God, what morons!

I just don't see how the individual mandate withstands the constitutional challenges its set to face. Auto insurance and the Mass. mandate don't factor. You don't have to drive and neither is federal.

Great, so now everybody will be approved for healthcare that nobody can afford, because premiums are going to go through the roof? Awesome.

I'm a dem, but I'm also an actuary. I know every last calculation behind this stuff. And this bill is going to make premiums unaffordable for EVERYONE. Way to go, Dems. You were well intentioned but short-sighted.

Will Beck be the first to go kill a "granny"?

I am not voting for any democrat for any office , local , state or federal, in November. One exception - Congressman Lipinski

Thank you, President Obama and Vice-President Biden for being persons of your word, for practicing what you preach and above all, thank you for being the true Americans, in this healthcare debate. No name-calling or lies or distortions on your parts, just truth and accurate statements. That combo will win every time. America will see a new day, where every day Americans we enjoy the same healthcare that our Congressmen, our Judges and our Executive Officers enjoy. Where the rich and famous, the sheiks and the royals can fly in and buy our, and the world's, best healthcare. The memory of Senator Edward Kennedy(RIP) has been brightened by the efforts of our great nation, our great national leadership, especially Speaker Pelosi, by our good Democratic Party and by our good President, Mr. Barrack Obama. Thanks to all, for your efforts and a job well done. Tonight, America became a little brighter, as well !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

At last! We've joined the rest of the industrialized Western world.

There should be a bronzed list of all who voted NO to pass around for the midterms.

Let me summarize the 2000 page bill for everyone. The Democrats are making healthy people sign up for insurance they don't want to cover people with pre-existing conditions. Somehow, that seems to fall short of being historic.

to the donkeys, T-195!

OK, so what exactly is in this landmark bill for your average main street american? I am guessing absolutely nothing.

Lou
www.web-invisibility.at.tc

"Disgusted,"

Hear, hear!

I just heard one of the Republicans in the House claim, "This isn't democracy."

It's not?

It seems as if the Republican's definition of democracy is only when members from both side of the aisle vote for a bill.

That's nonsense.

There is no requirement that both sides of the aisle cast votes for any particular bill. Where do these Republicans get their dictionaries, from the stupid store?

Ummm "Yes we can", and yes we did!!! Job well done Madame Speaker of the House, and yes... Obama change is in the air! I hope you tea baggers are tea bagging tonight... wink.. wink!!!

How NICE is it that the Chicago Tribune can revert it's commernts and postings to "The Swamp". If the Tribune didn't already declare itself it Democratic - they have now. Go down in flames Tribune - you and your president whow is leading us into the abyss. . .

Y'know what's going to be hilarious? When Obama signs this into law, and the world doesn't end. It was a terrible strategy from the GOP, who will now have to actually find evidence of the alleged "government-takeover." The Dems didn't back down, and the GOP has been called on their bluff.

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Posted by: Disgusted | March 22, 2010 12:18 AM
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The only “morons” out there are those who either don’t understand or don’t believe that we are going to hit the debt wall very soon. Our main foreign banker, Communist China, has indicated its reluctance to continue funding our fiscally irresponsible domestic policies. They say our government spends too much money and its hurting their investments. They’ve already cut back on buying bonds. And let’s not forget how much time and effort we spend antagonizing the Chinese government over everything from Taiwan to trade policy.
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The IMF has also warned that all countries in the G7 (except Canada and Germany) have to exhibit a whole lot more fiscal restraint. European countries are strapped for cash and teetering on the brink because of the financial downturns in Portugal, Italy and Greece. Japan, our other main foreign banker, isn’t doing so well either.
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In other words, there won’t be anyone out there much longer to help us. The moment we stop getting foreign investment in the bonds by which the federal government pays its bills, we are done for. There will be no more raising the debt ceiling to go deeper into debt - unless the government cranks up the printing press and forces us into runaway inflation. And, in case you haven’t looked, substantial deficits are predicted for the next decade because of all the extra spending by the feds. At some point in time, our increased debts are going to run up against the inability to pay for them or go into debt for them. And then we are all hosed. We will have nothing. Are you happy with that idea? You moron.

Bart Stupak: Ignoramus, Hypocrite, or Both?

As is correct and proper, Bart Stupak, 9-term Democrat congressman from Michigan’s 1st CD, ended his congressional career on March 21st, 2010. It was a lackluster career, anyway, but he sealed it as finished when he revealed himself to be either the biggest hypocrite, the dumbest representative from the Wolverine State, or both.

Not incidentally, it should be noted that wolverines are vicious animals, members of the weasel family.

Stupak shall go down in history as the one individual in the U.S. House of Representatives most responsible for Sunday night’s passage of the Obamacare bill, a feat Stupak accomplished through outright and shameful deceit and ignorance.

For years, Stupak has passed himself off as a pro-life Democrat despite, as Rush Limbaugh pointed out last week, voting to fund the organization responsible for most of the abortions committed in America, Planned Parenthood.

As Phyllis Schlafly, founder and president of the Eagle Forum, said, “Mr. Stupak and his Democrat followers have now clarified that you cannot be pro-life and be a Democrat. If abortion was truly their biggest issue, they wouldn’t willfully align themselves with the Party of Death:” http://bit.ly/bNeoYa . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1580)

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Posted by: writerofwrongs | March 21, 2010 9:51 PM
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The promised executive order that duped Stupak and his gang into voting for the bill is worthless. An executive order is not a law, and it doesn’t trump the health care bill as written. A president can only sign a bill into law or veto it. He doesn’t have the power to partially sign it into law and partially veto it. Once he signs it, it becomes the law as written regardless of his promised executive order.
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Congressman Dan Lundgren, the former Attorney General of California, warned of the ineffectiveness of the proposed executive order from the floor of House. It’s nothing short of amazing how House members chose to disbelieve his warning because they wanted to believe the President. The tragedy is that Obama knows the truth, and Stupak should have known it.

Let's not forget the man who made all this possible!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-QK1ajwmlA

Interesting story on Bloomberg:

"March 22 (Bloomberg) -- The bond market is saying that it’s safer to lend to Warren Buffett than Barack Obama."

This story was written before the passage of the Health care bill. Looks like it more than the Republican Party that has questions about Obama

It's a sad day when so many people in this country think providing those who can't afford basic health care is a bad idea.

It's a great day when it doesn't matter what they think and those underprivileged stand a chance to take health coverage into their own hands now.

The regulations that have been enacted to assure that the beneficaries of Medicare Advantage policies will receive the necessary medical procedures are not being enforced.

What President Obama has not spoken about is that merely having health insurance does not gurantee obtaining necessary medical procedures.

=== You democrats/liberals are a sweet bunch. Why don't you move to France where you belong. Disgraceful. ===

LOL. I'm always amazed you wingnuts seem to ignore that JAPAN has universal health care, along with EVERY OTHER industrialized nation.

But France it is:

France does have universal health care, along with paid family-and-medical-leave, and a longer life expectancy.

Oh yeah, AND only 8.3% unemployment.

Perhaps YOU should move to some backwater third world country, because those are the only places too shortsighted to manage their health care costs.

Ken smith.
The federal government seems to do a more than adequate job with building and maintaining interstate highways, controlling air traffic, making me strip naked to prove I'm not going to blow up the airplane I'm going to ride on, providing school hot lunches and breakfasts, delivering my mail (especially the bills), keeping our food safe to eat and our water safe to drink, and providing medical care to the elderly, the poor and military veterans. I have a feeling they'll do just fine providing quality medical insurance. Nanny state? Calm down, teapartyers. I'm afraid that ship has already sailed;-)

Have you seen the roadways in california? What about the recent bombing attempts that "almost" made it through the same airport multiple times? Hear how mail will not be delivered on Saturdays anymore because they can't afford it? Hear about the guy that was talking on his cell phone and caused a mid air collision?

You are referencing some of the WORST points you could in an effort of support for your cause.

This is just the beginning for Dictator Obama, this was the first of many rights you just lost. The government will be under his control, as he just proved, and the people who supported him are just to stupid and color blind to realize it. If you thought this was just about health care, God help you. Because you missed the under lying issue.

"the end of america". "like socialist france" . Wow! What fear. Who would have thought that forcing insurance companies to not discriminate against people, an pay for their healthcare would be such as horrible thing.

Welcome to the first day of the dictatorship of Fuhrer Hussien Obama!!

Next stop - Supreme Court. They can't force anyone to buy their health care. It's unConstitutional...

See you in November Dems...

they're going to announce this morning that they will 'deem and pass' legislation replacing the stars on the American flag with a Hammer and Sickle

brace yourselves - your government truly OWNS YOU NOW.

congrats democraps

Winston Churchill in an electoral broadcast prior to the British general election of 1945:

"...a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance."

In this case, the political police will be the IRS to enforce your compliance... Resistance is futile. Sad.

Payback is hell. Seniors will remember who cut their Medicare when they go to the polls. Obama rolled out AARP to say that seniors support cutting their Medicare benefits? AARP, the insurance company? Are we supposed to be that senile? Not completely and not yet.

"This is what change looks like!"

Right. Change looks like back room deals and parlimentary tricks to pass a wildly unpopular bill. Those of you who still support the Dems and Obama need to just admit you're drinking the kool-aid and don't really care what they do as long as they stay in office.

Health reform was about rising health costs. Drug prices. hospital charges. and over priced premiums that only make insurance companies rich. This health reform only mandates on the people. Forcing us to get insurance, Higher taxes. Higher premiums. Higher costs. It doesnt do anything to curb the price of drugs or rising costs. It does absolutly nothing but allows for higher premiums, higher hospital costs. more taxes, WE CANT AFFORD IT, tuff they say, Cant afford it, we will make you a fellon. Welcome the new socialist united states. It is no longer a free nation. OH unless your an illegal....

Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.) told the House: "Perhaps it's time for Washington to stop talking and start listening... I'm listening to the thousands of citizens who traveled to our nation's capital this weekend to tell us in no uncertain terms, they want us to kill this bill.''

I just don't get these "will of the people" type arguments. So......if there is policy that Kline (or other republicans) believe is the "right thing to do", they would still NOT do it if the "majority" of people said so? Whenever a republican makes one of theses statements, it says to me they care more about their political power than doing what is right.

Like Mahatma Gandhi once said, "If you are a minority of ONE, the truth is still the truth."

Too bad republicans are just a shill for the talking heads, they cower in the face of difficult decisions.

I'm hearing (reading) a lot of sour grapes comments.

We had to take Bush and the Republican's control of Congress and now they are bitter about taking Obama and the Democrats contrtol of the Congress. Get over it. Why is when the Republican's shove bs legislation down our throat it's ok. but when the Dems do it; it's a national tradegy?

Give me a break. This country will survive as it always does. The bitter people can always vote during the next election.

First, all of you commented she doesn't have the vote - dah - shows how smart you are - look at the title of the article! Next, don't you think we should take care of our own people? We send aid to every other place in the word, including a huge amount to Iraq for their health care, what about our own people? If we didn't go looking for WMD in Iraq with George's Folly we could have paid for the whole bill!! Lastly, how do the Republicans stand there and let people die because they can't afford health care, but out of the same side of their mouth tell me how they stand for life, i.e. anti-abortion, but in that same breath say oh, we stand for the death penalty. PLEASE HOW DO THEY RECONCILE THOSE THREE ISSUE - HOW?

Don Fitzgerald, IL, you want to talk about Republican greed? How about all the back-room deals, arm twisting, give aways that we don't know about to get this thing passed. Or does greed have another name when Democratic?

I cant help but notice over the last 24-hours the Chicago Tribune has reported 6 shootings in Chicago. Did the CBO factor gang violence or violence in general into their socialized health-care estimate?

I can only image it costs several hundred-thousand dollars to save a person who has been shot.

Of course the Tribune only reported 6 cases over the last 24-hours BUT I'm quite confident there are FAR more then 6 shootings or cases of violence requiring serious medical attention and procedures a day in Chicago.

Now imagine every major city in the US. I would be willing to bet medical care will cost the taxpayer 200,000,000 a day on violence alone. Yes, that's Two Hundred Million.

Still Writing and Always Will be Wrong,

If you listen to the whole clip, you know that the statement was made regarding Rush seeking his personal healthcare, not his permanent residence. Are you really that dense?

BTW, how did FDR pay for his wars? How will you loons pay the for the $107 Trillion unfunded liabilities from the Ponzi Schemes of Social Security and Medicare? You keep dodging the question.

maj mark bloviated:

I never, in my worst nightmare, thought I would witness the death of a nation.
I never thought that I would not be able to leave to my offspring, a nation I was born in to.
We no longer live in a republic where you make your own choices in life, as you see fit and with in the rule of Constitutional law and Constitutional integrity.
We no longer have a Representative form of Government that represents the will of the people.
For hundreds of years, people from across the world came to America to flee Oligarchy.
The last bastion of freedom, our nation, today has been thrown in to the depths of an Oligarchy.

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please get a grip.

the healthcare cisis has been building in this country for decades. where were you patriots and flag-wavers while millions of Americans were fleeced and denied coverage, interfered in Dr./patient relationaship and lost everything due to medically related bankrupcies?

Let me guess:at a teabagger rally spewing forth your intolerance and bigotry.

You cons did nothing when you were in charge, except work to perpetuate the entire mess onto everyones children.

Yesterday was a good day for all Americans, except the neo-fascists and their corporate sponsors.

Here's hoping you join Rush Limbaugh and depart for Costa Rica and please take Sarah The Quitter with you.

As predicted , the first stages of the Health Care Bill was passed. Why, you ask ? It is because people wish to be seen for their in put of a view and not unite. What is lost is respect with in a concept of { Freedom Of Choice } to be a part of this system or not, with in this Health Care Force Pay Matrix.
What is offered by FASC Concepts is the Freedom Of Choice, because we feel it is unconstitutional to force pay into the failures of Health Care Insurance Companies and then Tax that money. As you can see our elected officials are paying little attention to the public. As I reach out to my computer and I knock , knock, knock on the screen, and I say is there any body out there?
This Health Care issue keeps taking turns and twist that bewilder the mind in thoughts. This $100 trillion dollar system ,as it would seem, I am counting up to $ 8 trillion 682 billion Dollars so far. On guy emailed me and he is up to $27 Trillion dollars.
You see when Harry Reid added a extra ....almost, $2 Trillion dollars in a tax forum, this through my numbers off with the 1 to 3 year spread of taxes.
Lets show you this way seeing how I run out of fingers to count on and I do not feel like taking my shoes off.....
to get a $4 Trillion dollar tax spread, it is based at a 0.25% up to 4 years.
To be able to see the amount taxed in one year as a whole at 50% is around $8.2 Trillion to $8.8 Trillion, please remember according to Government Officials this is to be a spread tax, 3 to 10 years.. There is over 10 thousand companies I have not even got to yet. So lets take this $ 8 trillion 682 billion Dollars , reach into your mind and say ,1 to 3 to 10 years Tax against the Health Care System, then take this 10% tax against the almost $4 Trillion Dollars, your factor must be a multiplication. Then you will see this Tax factor as net value of that system. But of course Government Officials will not show the a net value of a system or that one company, this wold make it to easy for the People to follow the Tax Dollar.
Remember this tax dollar does not include the split petition of the tax forum of increases in other areas, in the name of Health Care Reform. This tax forum I, or we can have very little effect against.
As for theses hidden taxes, they are not hidden. They are built into a split petition. They are meant not to be seen, only revealed as the Progressive Capital Tax Forum works the system in order to not over burden the money system. What is lost is trust because Government Officials by considering the public slow witted and as for this Bill, I want to read the Law that is to represent the Bill. This is because one word has a directive and a code and a sentence can lead to a different truth in concept.
So now it begins, the Civil Rights Law Suits and Constitutional Suits. We are not talking just a few law suits we are talking thousands will be filed because of the Freedom Of Choice is taken away and a Tax against money that is not Government Officials Rights to Tax, the Health Care Money for Coverage.
Within our web site we suggested to build a Government Web Site that will show the People the monthly income of this Health Care Dollar and what the dollar is used for. But of Course this can not be allowed this would audit the IRS and Government System.

So, what do you wish to do ? Sit back and complain or unite your voice as one and state that ,{ We believe in the Freedom Of Choice to be a Part Of this Health Care System or not. } We intend to give life to hope to where there is none.
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Our goal is to start a trickle effect and the goal is President Obama and this Bill to Law. To merge 250 million veiws for a honest Health Care reform. The trickle effect is , Email President Barack Obama
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“Perhaps YOU should move to some backwater third world country, because those are the only places too shortsighted to manage their health care costs.”
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Posted by: Yellow Dog Democrat | March 22, 2010 6:15 AM
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Really? Well, if shortsightedness in managing health care costs makes one eligible for inclusion with backwater third world countries, then the U.S. is already there. Medicare is already in the ditch owing to its poor design and mismanagement. Even the states are having a great deal of trouble meeting their own health care budgets due to years of budgetary flubs. What I would like to know is: Why you believe this massive spending program (and don’t believe the $940 billion dollar price tag) is going to be administered in a manner any different from the way the feds have mishandled Medicare and Social Security? You have a lot of explaining to do given the federal governments history of mismanagement.
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Read: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21holtz-eakin.html It might give you some food for thought regarding how Congress had to lie to itself regarding the cost, and how Obama is going to have to lie to himself over the cost (and to the American People) to justify signing the bill. What the article doesn’t explain is the fancy footwork done in the Senate bill to shift large amounts of the cost to the States. That is one of the main reasons many states are gearing up their own challenges to the bill. They can’t afford their own spending even without the new mandates. Did I hear someone say shortsighted?

@ American Squirrel
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It’s a sad day when so many people in this country think that bankrupting our country with programs we can’t afford is a good idea. It will be a great day when those who seem bent on destroying the country are booted out of office and replaced by people with a mandate to conduct government responsibly.

Teabaggers + Conservatives + GOP = LOSERS (on the bill and in life).

Go ahead and try to repeal. Obama finally woke up to your insurance lobby protection game. He will take you out of your game in November.

For years, Stupak has passed himself off as a pro-life Democrat despite, as Rush Limbaugh pointed out last week, voting to fund the organization responsible for most of the abortions committed in America, Planned Parenthood.

As Phyllis Schlafly, founder and president of the Eagle Forum, said, “Mr. Stupak and his Democrat followers have now clarified that you cannot be pro-life and be a Democrat. If abortion was truly their biggest issue, they wouldn’t willfully align themselves with the Party of Death:”

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Bart Stupak IS a pro-life democrat. The fact is Bart Stupak refused to allow himself to be manipulated by the self-appointed leaders of the party of God into voting against healthcare reform and it blew up in their self-righteous hypocritical pasty white faces.

Does it bother you in the least that the GOP tried to manipulate the pro-life democrats by suggesting they were somehow not commited to the sanctity of life ?

If you are truly pro-life, this should have been the mother of all wakeup calls.

Life doesn't begin at conception and end at birth.

lil ter-ter:
(snip)

Still Writing and Always Will be Wrong,

If you listen to the whole clip, you know that the statement was made regarding Rush seeking his personal healthcare, not his permanent residence. Are you really that dense?

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that is NOT what Rush said.

as a mater of fact, didn't Rush say he would leave the US if Obaba got elected?

you must be tired from all that back-peddling you do on his behalf.

lil ter-ter:
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Still Writing and Always Will be Wrong,

If you listen to the whole clip, you know that the statement was made regarding Rush seeking his personal healthcare, not his permanent residence. Are you really that dense?

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that is NOT what Rush said.

as a mater of fact, didn't Rush say he would leave the US if Obama got elected?

you must be tired from all that back-peddling you do on his behalf.

Economically Challenged Still and Always Writing Wrong,

First, hit the post button only once to show off your stupidity.

Second, no Rush said he would leave in the context of seeking medical treatment.

BTW, did Alec Baldwin ever leave the country?

I see you want to tackle this important issue, but keep dodging that $107 Trillion Unfunded Liability that FDR and LBJ have put on this country. Keep playing in the kids room called the Huffington Post.

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Posted by: writerofwrongs | March 22, 2010 9:04 AM
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Okay, now I'm curious. I have seen at least two posts today in which you have charged that conservative-types are both "bigoted" and "intolerant." What do you mean when you use these words? Care to explain?
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Now, understand that I'm not trying to dispute these claims at the moment. It's just that I can't figure out what you mean until you tell me what it is about conservative-types that makes you think they are bigoted and intolerant. Others are also confused by your use of terminology.

They almost scuttled it, but close is not good enough.

Now the camel's nose is in the tent, and this camel has a mighty big nose!

In terms of social welfare legislation, Barack is ahead of FDR by about 2 years.

With 7 to go, the Beast will be well fed indeed.

Groooover, did you ever think this day would come?

patriotism is love of country -- and in a democracy it means supporting the will of the majority -- IF/WHEN the dems hold their majorities in november, are you 'man enough' to live with it??

personally i doubt it -- you t-boogers are fascist brown-shirts in waiting... it is the same 30% garbage factor...

you are hysterical in your anti-democracy rants... when u had the votes u believed in democracy -- now that you don't we'll see if you are true americans or not...

patriotism is love of country -- and in a democracy it means supporting the will of the majority -- IF/WHEN the dems hold their majorities in november, are you 'man enough' to live with it??

personally i doubt it -- you t-boogers are fascist brown-shirts in waiting... it is the same 30% garbage factor...

you are hysterical in your anti-democracy rants... when u had the votes u believed in democracy -- now that you don't we'll see if you are true americans or not...

There is a unity lost between Governing Parties that is needed to help the people feel secure. The moral building block for Health Care.
To see the true Health Care Tax forum you must stop thinking in 3-D,This multi tax forum is against a $100 Trillion Dollar system.. ...
To force pay into another system of failures within Health Care Insurance Groups.
This economy will not balance with this concept of a tax forum against the Health Care System. The issue of how to force pay into this system of Health Care may have worked but I am still troubled over the progressive tax forum within this Bill. It covers so many items and Countries that it only forces the system to adjust itself. In some areas, increases against the people and the troubled economy, and in other areas, less effects will be felt.
But this is my big problem, Government Officials seek help and they are to proud to ask us, “the true working force of Government.” It is understandable they have failed the People and within the United States Of America all we ask is to see us as who we are and not try to bring us into this world of the intellectual. I guess our Prime Directive is that of Star Trek, so it must be understood that for millions of people we are just as happy as can be making $13.00 per hour and we have no interest in this world of politics, and how to be a Enstine. Government Officials must understand that there is a level of people within different parts of this Country, that seek to be only that they find to make them happy.
As for this economy well, it is said that the U.S.A. Arms Division has created enough arsenal to destroy every last creature in the world 2 times over,built with tax dollars. This would be funny if not for the irony of it. And now as time has passed Government Officials keep failing. Before 9/11 all the way to today.
As it is in a world of a system, when employees continue to fail, one or two things happen, one; you get fired, two; if you see into a person a good, then it is political correct to implement a penalty or roll back in pay. But this implement of penalty is more favored in the course of action in the Federal Employment World. So how to fix the economy and unite it with the Health Care issue. It would be in the Countries best interest to implement a 10% per cent penalty against every State, County and Government Official within this Matrix of failures. Hey what is that old saying, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. I am serous about this, it is past due to show that our Government Officials they have failed, their system failure reaches into this world of warnings that they brush aside as if the information is not worthy noting. From Pearl Harbor to 9/11/2001 to 3/07/2010 of our tax system and Health Care Reform. This 10% per cent penalty should go into the Health Care Forum.
The big problem that Government Officials have is that they have no street credit. President Obama still has some but if he does not take his family and step away from these dueling Parties, that fight over this Health Care Dollar, and stand with Us he will lose all credit from the streets to the county.
President Obama, I would say to you, you have one last chance to regain the hopes and dreams of the American People. To reach out in a concept that states, if there is 250 million people in trouble because of these failures, I would give all my money to them and then I would say to all that I gave money to, “I have no money left, would you all please give me $1.00 back and then I would have $250. million dollars to start all over again.”

As for this $100,trillion dollar in site.............
Results 1 - 10 of about 685,000 for net worth of medicine development industry
Just to show how deep this Health Care Tax split petition reaches. The term split petition is used because of the Tax factor plan that is not seen because of the intent not to show a capital Taxing of close to a $100 trillion dollar package, a yearly system income, not profit.....

Some have stated that I clam to have spiritual in site or something of the sort. I assure you this is not true, so when I state that I asked God to help, it is my way of saying hey Bobby show me how to work on theses Chevy engines. But I do thank you for the consideration. Consider me a cross of Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black.
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Health Care within a moral value, is to ,

{ GIVE LIFE TO HOPE WHERE THERE IS NONE }

Henry Massingale
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please take the time and visit all my new friends on the net and if you wish to post with FASC Concepts you will be most welcomed. So join us and share your ideas as one in one voice.

Ornery,

This isn't a camel with its nose under the tent, but more like the pesky racoon that keeps coming for a handout.

Oh my God!!

It's Happening!!!

I called my doctors office the morning after Health Care reform and I got a recorded message saying that due to the government takeover of health care he was no longer seeing private patients and was being forcibly moved to a huge government medical building downtown. I called My insurance company the person on the phone whispered that private health insurance had been eliminated and from now on I would have to call a government health exchange for insurance…if there was any left.
Frantic, I called the Pharmacy at our local supermarket . The clerk who answered the phone said that the pharmacy had being forced to close in an morning raid by the DEA and that all the pharmacists and drugs had been taken to that big government health care building .
I called my local Catholic hospital. A nun answered . Weeping hysterically she said that they had been shut down, all the doctor and nurses had been forced onto buses and taken to the big government health care building. They were all being forced to become federal employees, And all the old patients in the hospital.....they had been wheeled out on gurneys and left in the street under the hot sun and shivering cold night to die. My God, Sarah was right!!

Just one day after Health care reform,

Armageddon!!
Freedom is coming to an end.
Life as we know it is finished.
The Communists have taken over!!

Oh God!!!