Healthcare: Up or down without a vote?

PASS HEALTH CARE NOW!!!

MAJORITY RULES!!!!

UP OR DOWN VOTE!!!!

Listening to the Repugs cry about this you'd think they'd never used recociliation before - only they have, and they've used 3x more often than the Dems have. And they've mainly used it to help enrichen their Billionaire overlords.
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/gop-senators-votes-on-reconciliation/
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Pres Obama had no idea when he took office that the Repugs were going to act like petulant children and abuse the filibuster, now he does and now it's time to start stepping on the Repugs because of it.

TRICKLE H. IF PRINCESS PELOSI HAD THE VOTES DUHHHH SHE'D CALL FOR THE VOTE. SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES BECAUSE HER OWN PARTY KNOWS THIS BILL IS A COWPIE AND CAREER ENDER. SO YEAH:

MAJORITY RULES!!!!

UP OR DOWN VOTE!!!!

Anything that has ever been said about the dems not having a spine might be true. Not only does this give the pugs more ammunition, but it does not show strength. Ram the bill down their throats and let's get onto the next pug problem to fix.

In about as cynical of a move possible- that bypasses laws and the will of the people the Politburo leader Pelosi says;

"But I like it," the speaker told the bloggers, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."
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We have elected the enemy-

Stop the trickery with a "deem and pass" without an actual vote. A majority of the American people want a vote on such an important issue as Health Care Reform. We do not want political tricks that Pelosi is considering. If they Democratic Leadership tries this under the table procedure they will pay a big price in November.

IT'S OVER FOR THE OBSTRUCTIONIST REPUBLICAN KNUCKLE-DRAGGERS - THE BEAST HAS BEEN SLAYED, and they know it now!!!!

JIM "health care will be Obama's waterloo" DEMINT - ADMITS DEFEAT!!!!

DeMint admits that he's "less confident" than he once was about the GOP's ability to stop health care reform.Even though DeMint said he was "less confident" a Republican aide appeared unfazed.

"Yet another helpful attempt to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," was how he described the quote.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/86853-demint-less-confident-gop-can-stop-health-bill
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Once health care reform passes next week, we're going to see a lot more of this kind of bitter back and forth sniping between the Republican losers.

PASS THE POPCORN!!!

I guess this is the change obama brings! Don't you love the transparency? The bipartisianship?
obama lied!
November will be fun!
HHH is that Don Fitzgerald, trying to give the illusion their are 2 idiots instead of just the 1

So the Demoncraps are going to resort to tricks to get this garbage passed?
Clearly this so-called health care reform bill is nothing but sludge, otherwise, the Demoncraps wouldn't have to resort to bribes, tricks and whatever other nonsense to get it done. This is not health care reform for the country's best interests. It is a blatant act of subversion. Any of these clowns who votes for this should be immediately arrested for treason.

It's nice to see Repilicans are finally getting called out for their latest Lie (saying that Democrats passing the health reform bill through reconciliation is the same as the nuclear option). The Repug cretins are more than well aware that they are lying since they constantly threatened to use the nuclear option and change the rules of the Senate when they wanted to get Bush's judicial appointments confirmed.

Budget reconciliation is how the health care system has been formed in the United States already and Republicans used reconciliation to pass the Bush tax cuts, twice. And it's been used to pass things like COBRA and SCHIP.

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http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-calls-out-republicans-and-me
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I say we give Republicans what they want - a blank sheet of paper

PUT A BLANK SHEET IN THE HEALTH CARE BILL and mark that down as the Republican contribution to health care reform.

"THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK PER REQUEST OF THE 2010 REPUBLICAN PARTY"

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Posted by: worsethanbefore | March 16, 2010 2:54 PM
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I see Bobby's Mommy has swithed sock puppets and IP adresses again.....HAHAHA!!

Hey Talking Bumper Sticker,

Don't you worry your little Teabagger pea brain - Pelosi will have the votes....but thanks for playing concern troll for us!

HEALTH CARE REFORM TO PASS SOON
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http://aleksandreia.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/health-care-reform-ready-to-pass-real-soon-now/
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AND BY "COURAGE" I MEAN MARCH TO YOUR DEATH AND TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM!!!
Obama demands 'courage' as health care vote looms
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/86939-obama-calls-for-courage

IS THIS LIKE WHEN THE CUBS WERE HORRIBLE: 1ST PRIZE = 2 CUBS TICKETS, 2ND PRIZE = 4 CUBS TICKETS!!!
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Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats
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Barack Obama has said he will not campaign for any Democratic congressmen who fails to support health care reform.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7450237/Barack-Obama-threatens-to-withdraw-support-from-wavering-Democrats.html

Just more trickery from this administration and its liberal goons in Congress. I remember the loony liberals saying they could not lose the Senate seat in Massachusetts are the governorship in New Jersey, and we all know how they turned out. See you in November.

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Obama demands 'courage' as health care vote looms

Posted by: Bobby Mobbie | March 16, 2010 4:13 PM
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HAHAHA!!!

You really think the Dems are going to take advice from the Repug clowns and vote against health care?....hahaha!

If health care reform was really so bad the Wingnuts wouldn't be fighting so hard to stop it. They know they're screwed now.

Try again with another copy and paste post, Bobby's Mommy. This is fun, I love destroying your right wing propaganda.

So we're going to amend a bill that doesn't yet exist by voting for it without voting for it. Yep, that makes perfect sense. Just another day at the office in D.C.

So the Democrats won't allow an "up and down" vote?
Another Obama pledge abandoned. This pledge lasted about a week--which is about the average amount of time an Obama pledge lasts.

What courageous Democrats. Hiding from the public, backroom deals, parliamentary tricks, Nancy wants to just say "it passed." What kind of representative government is this? A new low for the scumbag liberal aristocracy. "We know what's best for you peons." This is the reason people left Europe and came to America: to get away from rulers like Pelosi, Obama, Reid and the rest of the wacko liberals who think that they are anointed with the power to rule.

IT'S NOT JUST HEALTH CARE REFORM THAT THE republicans ARE TRYING TO PREVENT AMERICANS FROM GETTING - THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO DENY COLLEGE STUDENTS FROM GETTING MUCH NEEDED TUITION HELP FROM THE GOV'T

"A group of Republicans this afternoon will meet with reporters to protest the Democrats’ plans to eliminate tens of billions of dollars in government subsidies to private companies that lend to students. The Democrats’ bill would have students borrow directly from the U.S. Treasury, which makes sense to supporters because it’s the Treasury that currently assumes all the risk for those loans anyway — a boon to private companies that assume no risk. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that eliminating the private middleman will save $67 billion over the next decade, most of which will go toward expanding college scholarships to low-income students."

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http://washingtonindependent.com/79348/gop-warns-of-a-government-takeover-of-student-lending
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INDEPENDENTS WANT DEMOCRATS TO PASS HEALTH CARE REFOM

"Independents want Congress to do something on health care: 69 percent of Independents said that health care is "an urgent problem that requires immediate action" or "serious problem that should be dealt with as soon as possible"-
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/the-independent-mood/37526/
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It is a blatant act of subversion. Any of these clowns who votes for this should be immediately arrested for treason.

Posted by: John D | March 16, 2010 3:20 PM
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LOL You are a joke. I have to hand it to you though you aren't the only Repiglican who would've arrested Legislators for treason simply for doing their job, which is to protect Americans from harm.

HHH, government takeover of another part of the economy: student loans. I see you swallowed the line that the students will borrow "directly from the US Treasury." Yeah sure. It will be a scored system, like the current Federal Financial Aid program that metes out Pell grants according to who the government deems is worthy. But since you never attended college, you wouldn't know.

The bureaucrats will decide who gets a loan, what school that they can attend, which schools get more loans. It will give the government total control. It's NOT about saving money. NOTHING the GOVERNMENT has ever done has been about saving money, ever. This is a Trillion Dollar program over 10 years. Can you say: "Too big to fail?"

This is getting stranger by the day. Obviously, the Dems don't have the votes yet. I think they would call for a vote the second they did. But this is where Chicago politics is at its best - backroom deals, pay for play, arm twisting, etc. It's what made Cook County the political toilet of the country. Even though the Senate Bill stinks and nobody likes it, I give this proud Cook County Administration 50/50 to get it passed anyway.

Congress is violating the U.S. Constitution. This is just wrong!!

With a 'no' vote then what else can they 'no' vote against the will of the people.

The citizens in Thailand are now demonstrating to get back democracy & so should all of us.

You'll like a new book just out about a small town in America that stands up to federal tyranny & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution.

www.booksbyoliver.com

Here's something that the flatliners haven't given any thought to - a large number of doctors will leave the profession if ObamaCare passes

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812

Now this will be over many of the flatliners' heads, but I'll try and explain: Reduce the supply of doctors and at the same time increase demand for medical services (more people insured), prices will rise. Or there there will be a rationing of services.

I see the Unemployed Trickled On is busy in mom and dad's basement cutting and pasting.

Has the federal gov't ever run a social program that meets the customers' needs and come in under budget?

Look at Debt Clock. Look at the two largets budget items - Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security. It is these programs, and if ObamaCare passes, that will drive this country faster towards bankruptcy. This is what you are leaving you children (hopefully Trickled On HoHoHo, hasn't reproduced)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The House does not have the votes, so now the American public doesn't have a say in the passage of this nightmare. What happened to Obama's up or down vote? The Chicago thugs will more than likely ram this thing through by hook and more likely crook!

EEEEEEEERRRGH!!!! Yeah free everything for everyones I aint never gonna works agains!!! Go team BO we are to cool. Whooooooo Hoooooo!!!

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Posted by: Terry | March 16, 2010 8:11 PM
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Oh, stop it, Terry. You're being logical. They don't want to hear the truth. They just want their piece of the pie.
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And, in all reality, it’s probably worse than even you have portrayed it. We already have a national shortage of trained doctors and medical staff. Even if there weren't a massive defection, the quality of care would suffer, and services would have to be rationed - until, at least, the government decides to pay the real cost of health care in training doctors and nurses, and building hospitals. There aren’t enough to go around right now. Rationing? Heartless life and death decisions? You betcha. And that’ll happen even without government “death panels.” It happens now. I sometimes wonder if insurance bean counters and doctors don’t work harder at making disfavored patients give up and die than they do treating them. What they are doing now is hardly medicine. Spread that a little thinner instead of spending a whole pile more money on medical personnel and infrastructure, and a miserable time is guaranteed for all. And just imagine: the Democrats want to force everyone into that hole.
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But that message won’t go anywhere. We, as a nation, are an impulsive and needy bunch. We want stuff but are never willing to pay the price. If deficits became illegal, no one would want wars, government run health care or much of the nanny state; because then we would have to pay for it up front, and that would hurt too much.

Republicans are either idiots or jerks....I'm going with both. The bills have already passed their respective chambers with a majority in the House and a Super majority in the Senate. The house will have an up and down vote with a GD majority to reconcile the bill. (which the Repub’s also used often). I love the uproar from the Republican hacks because Gingrich and Hastert used "deem and pass" regularly. (over 200 friggin times). Jeez Republicans are infuriating, but it’s hard to fault them because they (i.e. Fox viewers) are, for the most part, ignorant.

Here's something that the flatliners haven't given any thought to - a large number of doctors will leave the profession if ObamaCare passes

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812

Posted by: Terry | March 16, 2010 8:11 PM
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If they are considering leaving the profession and allowing people to get sick and die then they aren't really doctors in the first place. They are capitalists. I don't want a "doctor" to view me as a dollar sign, why do you?

Posted by: Tim | March 17, 2010 10:43 AM

Tim- the house never voted on the Senate bill... the bill's text has not been available to them yet.

The Senate never passed the House bill...

In order for a bill to become law- both houses have to VOTE on and pass the same bill, and the prez needs to sign the ONE bill that comes out of congress.

So I understand your rant... would you really argue in the Supreme Court that the Deem and Pass move by the Speaker is constitutional because "the republicans did it"..?

The Democrats may vote this week but, come this November it is the people who have the vote.

Tim

And yes it has been used by both parties but, it has never been used for legislation of this nature or scope. What is really ignorant is loony liberals thanking that the majority (which the Liberals are not a part of) of voters do not see what they're goons in Congress are doing. And we know we need reform but this bill is not reform and thinking (something else liberals find hard) American knows it. While a lot of Americans know about Democrats is they are in the pocket of the lawyer and healthcare lobbyist. And that is a matter of public record.

These numbers are for just this year;

Pelosi received $422,300 from the lobbyist for healthcare and lawyers.
Hoyer received $524,067 from the lobbyist for healthcare and lawyers.
Clyburn received $311,521 from the lobbyist for healthcare and lawyers.
Reid received $3,580,489 from the lobbyist for healthcare and lawyers.
Durbin received $2,911,775 from the lobbyist for healthcare and lawyers.
Murray received $1,071,331 from the lobbyist for healthcare and lawyers.

For a Grand Total $8,821,483 and that is since the first of the year.

And those are just the leaders for the Liberals on both sides of Congress.

Unsensible,

I want a doctor that is motivated, not one that is a gov't bueraucrat punching in his 40 hours.

If they all leave, have fun waiting in line.

"They just want their piece of the pie."

But only if somebody else's money is paying for it.

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Posted by: Just say no to libtard freeloaders | March 18, 2010 11:10 AM
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Precisely. I think I at least implied as much in what I said in the final paragraph of my post.