Hoyer on healthcare: 'We will' pass it

And I can find five polls real fast where the majority of polls this bill. Plus he's quoting a poll that is three weeks old and does not show the questions asked. The loony liberals in Congress can keep lying to themselves but the majority of people are not buying it.

"Hoyer cited a recent poll by The Economist which found that 53 percent of Americans surveyed support President Barack Obama's health care proposals and 47 percent oppose them."
Does anyone notice that the House is NOT going to vote on "Obama's health care proposals" (whatever they are) but instead on the Senate Democrat bill?
Hoyer can't even tell the truth about polls, let alone tell the truth about ReidPelosiCare.

DEMS ARE RUNNING AS FAST AS THEY CAN AWAY FROM THIS MESS!!!
Democratic candidates distance themselves from healthcare reform
Hardly any Democrat running for Congress seems to want to talk about healthcare.

Of the 26 leading Democratic House candidates contacted by The Hill, only one would commit to voting for the Senate healthcare bill if and when it comes to the House floor.

Out of the more than two dozen Democratic challengers and open-seat House candidates, only 10 commented for this story. Eight outright declined to comment.
Eight more didn’t respond to several days’ worth of requests via phone and e-mail.

The only candidate to say unequivocally that he would support the Senate bill, which could be voted on in the House next week, is a primary-care physician running to face Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.).

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And I can find five polls real fast where the majority of polls this bill. Plus he's quoting a poll t
Posted by: Crooks_In_DC | March 12, 2010 1:37 PM
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I'm sure you can, Clown. That's what Republicans do, they lie and spread misinformation

If the Repugs really believed that the Dems passing Health Care Reform was such a bad thing, they wouldn't be fighting so hard to stop it.

The Repugs know people will like health care reform (just like they do Medicare and Social Security), that's why they hate it so much.

It's nice to see that President Obama and the Dems are finally taking it to the crybaby Republicans. Now that Republicans have fully revealed how little they care about American citizens, I think the whole meme about how the Dems are going to lose big in November should be put to rest. If the Dems who are running this fall use the YouTube clips of the lies and propaganda that Republicans have told during the health care debate they won't need to hire ad writers. The Republican mouth-breathers will write the ads for themselves.

Republicans get themselves booked on every Sunday talk show every single week and say they are fighting against HCR because they are representing the people. They claim HCR is wildly unpopular and they are only following the people's will.

It's a LIE. Go to www.pollingreport.com and check out the healthcare section. Each component of HCR is wildly POPULAR. Both the recent Newsweek and Kaiser polls show that overwhelming majorities want an exchange to provide competition, and majorities also favor a public option.

Oh, but HCR legislation has been rejected by the people......so say the GOPers liars....
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http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm#C
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Crooks, Hoyer is also using flawed logic with his "support for the pieces" argument. Polls like that tout the benefits, but not the drawbacks. If a poll asked if people supported the federal govenrment delivering a free pizza to you every Friday, most people would say yes. However, if the poll also stated that you have to pay for it and the government decides what's on it and when you can eat it, the results would be much different. I don't doubt that most Americans would support reform on some matters, like pre-existing conditions. But what Americans don't do is trust these slimeball, backroom deals. They also don't buy the BS argument that we are going to expand coverage to 30 million people . . .yet save money. The only way Democrats get from point A to B on that is through the kind of accounting trickery that would land the CFO of a publicly traded company in jail (e.g., hide true cost by using less years of expenditures v. revenues).

Nonprofits Cleaning Up
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Various pundits have spluttered ineffectually about the lower markup in insurance than other industries, said to be a mere THREE percent.
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According to the Alliance for Advancing Nonprofit Health Care, the five largest health insurers in the country are all nonprofits.

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This leads to two critical points everyone can comprehend without being a math whiz (using the Talmudic style known as mimah nafshach, meaning "from whichever direction you prefer").
(1) If the profit motive is really the corruptive force skewing the medical economics, then let everyone buy a policy from a nonprofit without go
(2) Conversely, if the extra expense in the system is attributable to profiteering, why can't the nonprofits charge appreciably less for the same degree of insurance?
I made a series of calls to insurance agents, although I considered them redundant. If nonprofits were much cheaper, we would all be their customers. But I checked nonetheless and confirmed my hunch: the price of health insurance is about the same whether purchased from for-profits or from not-for-profits.
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http://spectator.org/archives/2010/03/12/nonprofits-cleaning-up

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DEMS ARE RUNNING AS FAST AS THEY CAN AWAY FROM THIS MESS!!!
Democratic candidates distance themselves from healthcare reform
Hardly any Democrat running for Congress seems to want to talk about
Posted by: Bobby Mobbie | March 12, 2010 1:52 PM
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HAHAHA! Yeah right, Talking Bumper Sticker....

It's the Repugs that are scared, that's why they're crying so much about Health Care Reform. They know people will like it, and that's what scares them more than anything else.

News flash: people like getting something for nothing. Dems like promising things they can't deliver and don't have the ability to pay for.

Dems had a super majority and couldn't even get enough members of their own party to support this POS legislation.

Is anyone surprised that Hoyer has to pull out a biased study to support a lie that Americans approve of this bill or the way it has been crammed down our throats.

How many more payoffs, outed gay politicians, state bribes and pleas to trust the leadership will be necessary to support a bill that no one has seen, let alone read. Anyone can lie about the details when there aren't any and the libs' "ends justify the means" mentality is morally repugnant.

Let's see how much people like Medicare and SS when they are bankrupt and the government decides it doesn't make sense to prolong the life of people that cost more than they contribute (illegals and minorities excluded).

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The only way Democrats get from point A to B on that is through the kind of accounting trickery that would land the CFO of a publicly traded company in jail (e.g., hide true cost by using less years of expenditures
Posted by: Herbie H. | March 12, 2010 2:18 PM
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Really? And I'm guessing that you have some PROOF to back up your bloviating, right Herbert?....

"Accounting trickery"? You mean like the accounting trickery that the Repubs used to fund Iraq (off budget), Bush's tax cuts for Billionaires and MedicareD?

It's over Wingnuts, YOU and the CORPORATE HEALTH INSURANCE BEAN COUNTERS LOSE and the people win.

HHH, sorry but the lying and distortion is taking place by the Democrats you so blindly follow.
If you want reality (and I doubt you do), then read this column from the Washington Post by TWO Democratic strategists and pollsters, Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

It is an excellent column and they also note where health care reform can occur with much bipartisan support!

IN ADDITIONAL POLL NEWS . . .
If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly
By Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen (DEMOCRATIC POLLSTERS)
In "The March of Folly," Barbara Tuchman asked, "Why do holders of high office so often act contrary to the way reason points and enlightened self-interest suggests?" Her assessment of self-deception -- "acting according to wish while not allowing oneself to be deflected by the facts" -- captures the conditions that are gripping President Obama and the Democratic Party leadership as they renew their efforts to enact health-care reform
Their blind persistence in the face of reality threatens to turn this political march of folly into an electoral rout in November. In the wake of the stinging loss in Massachusetts, there was a moment when the president and the Democratic leadership seemed to realize the reality of the health-care situation. Yet like some seductive siren of Greek mythology, the lure of health-care reform has arisen again.

As pollsters to the past two Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, respectively, we feel compelled to challenge the myths that seem to be prevailing in the political discourse and to once again urge a change in course before it is too late. At stake is the kind of mainstream, common-sense Democratic Party that we believe is crucial to the success of the American enterprise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

The only polls that matter are the ones they do in the House and Senate when these bills come up for votes. They will have the votes in hand when that happens and it looks like that will be about March 20th. You Obama-bashers have had the last year to throw all your lies and barbs and silly Obama nicknames out there and in the end it's going to amount to diddly-squat. The bills are going to pass. And things will get better. The ironic thing is that you all will benefit from the bill's passage, but you'll go to your graves without ever admitting that.

So what's the next thing on the anti-Obama agenda? Let's see - we've done the birther thing. That didn't work out. We've done the socialist thing - yeah, that's not really working either. Healthcare reform - not sure how he slipped through that one. Well, we can always nail him on the economy. Oh, wait, that seems to be getting better. Gosh, there must be something else we can bash him for, isn't there?

"including elimination of lifetime caps on insurance benefits that can be paid, a prohibition against insurers denying people coverage because of pre-existing medical conditions and creation of new exchanges to shop for the best insurance policies.
"When you ask people about that, they say, 'Yes, I'm for that,'" he said. "We win the pieces."

Thats about 25 pages of a 2400 page bill. Now ask about the rest of the bill, and they flat out tell you THEY DON'T WANT IT!...You loose the whole thing, Hoyer

The fact is, the polls actually indicate people are upset with how long getting the bill passed is taking. Not what is in the bill. But republican's will spin it and lie to make it seem otherwise.

When the bill passess, Obama's approval ratings will go up. Especially as Obama's stimulus continues to improve the economy, as every indicator is saying. Job losses have flattened over the last few months, and we will see the first increases in employment very soon.

Watch the GOP cry, and spin everything then.

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News flash: people like getting something for nothing. Dems like promising things they can't deliver and don't have the ability to pay for.
Posted by: Hans | March 12, 2010 3:00 PM
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You're lying....again, "Hans"

The Repugs have already LOST the health care reform fight and they're going to pay the price for their lying this fall

HEALTH CARE REFORM CUTS DEFICIT BY $118 BILLION

The Democrats health bill gets boost from budget office

WASHINGTON (AFP) – "In a boost to President Barack Obama's flagship reform drive, the Congressional Budget Office said Thursday a Senate health care bill would cut the deficit by 118 billion dollars." "The release of the report thickened the intrigue in a tense period of vote hunting for Obama's Democratic allies in the House of Representatives, with the White House pushing for a crucial vote on the measure within a week." "The non-partisan CBO said in its updated assessment that the Senate bill would cost 875 billion dollars over 10 years and reduce projected budget deficits by 118 billion dollars." "In a bid to thwart Republican obstruction tactics, Obama wants the House to pass the Senate bill along with a package of "fixes" in a delicate political maneuver that represents the last hope for his key domestic priority."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100311/pl_afp/uspoliticsobamahealthcare
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As it currently stands, the legislation would cover 31 million Americans and offer consumer protections to all Americans, eliminating the ability of insurance companies to deny people for pre-existing conditions or to rescind coverage to people who get sick. Its ten-year $875 billion price tag would be funded by Medicare cost-savings (without jeopardizing benefits) and a mixture of new taxes. It would reduce the deficit by $118 billion in the first ten years.

Remember, these budget numbers represent a baseline, and will likely change (presumably for the better) once the reconciliation package is complete. But it's an important reminder that the net financial impact of reform will be a reduction in the budget deficit.

If Republicans want to argue that government should not provide a safety net insuring that all Americans have health insurance, that's their right -- but for them to argue that this bill is a fiscal calamity just isn't grounded in reality.

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Posted by: John D | March 12, 2010 3:02 PM
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Johnny D,

You can find obscure articles that claim passing health care reform would be bad for the Dems and your sociopath wingnut pal Bobby Mobbie can cut and paste anti health care reform articles from radical right wing sites all you want too - it still won't stop the fact that Republicans know that in the end health care reform will end up being embraced by Americans everywhere just like Medicare and Social Security are now.

If the Repubs thought it was going to be the disaster that they claim it's going to be they wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail for the Corporate Health Insurance Industry to stop reform from passing like they are. The Repubs know very well that after this passes and their 24/7 anti health care reform propoganda stops - HEALTH CARE REFROM WILL BE WILDLY POPULAR, period, end of story.

The Republican health care plan would have put money directly into the insurance companies coffers while cutting regulations and letting them drop more people. It would tell you to buy insurance and you'll only be subsidized if you're a large corporation, and promise to move x many jobs overseas.

The only reason the right wingers like you are opposing reform that'd personally help you is because a Democrat came up with the bill. If a Republican had presented the exact same bill, wingnuts like you would be falling right in line to support it and calling everyone else traitors for not supporting it.

HHH, since when did a column in the Washington Post become an "obscure article" from a "radical right wing site?" The Washington Post is a radical right wing site?
The American people do not want this bill because it is too cumbersome, the deals made to get the votes, it does not cut down the deficit (you see, the Dems are playing funny here by having tax increases in place four years BEFORE the health care alleged benefits take place), health care costs continue to rise, laws requiring people to get health insurance or face jail or fines, the lack of any bipartisan effort by the Dems (yes, the Dems), and all the other shenanigans from the Dems.

Anyway, HHH, thanks for proving my point that you aren't interested in reality.

"GOP Generational Theft by Deception Axis of Evil Speaks" OMGOSH! OMGOSH! Stop the press! Stop the press! Close down those "segregated" just 80% african american schools! Cage! Provisionalize! Just relocate! Stop the press! Stop the press! It's like "WATERBOARDING" better care unto you! Stop! Stop the press! He's YOU LIE, brown skin, brown eye; OBAMA, brown skin, brown eye unattested unto US! Stop the press! Stop the press! No 12 million "Z" Felons! No "private equity Social Security Accounts" in Dubai! Stop the press! Stop the press! Is Social Security "Reparations"! Stop the press! No collapsed Private Equity Social Security Accounts based in Dubai! We're the party of "just NO!" We're the Generational Theft by Deception Evil Doers! OMGOSH! OMGOSH! Call Beck! Call Sarah! She's the EVE in EEV's! She's the REAL ID! Just CHOOSE! No Birth Certificate! No REAL ID! No A Health Care for you! Where' Lindsay! Drink TEA! Let's PAR-TAY! No "Options for you!" Just us! Just the GOP!

Posted by: HHH

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John E., you're going with "HHH" as the permanent name? Lame. I was hoping for My Aunt Fannie.

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This is what I'm talking about with the accounting tricks. Here's the CBO report on the Senate bill:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10731/Reid_letter_11_18_09.pdf

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Go to table 3 where it says "effects on the federal deficit". It's page 2 of 2 of Table 3. Look at the two major expenses, which are Medicaid/CHIP expansion, and subsidies for Exchanges. They don't really kick in until 2014, and don't get up to near their true cost until around 2016-2017. The CBO only reports on what Congress asks them to. If Congress asks them to analyze the impact on the deficit with ten years of revenue but six years of spending as the bill specifies, they will do that, and (gasp!) there is a surplus when you calculate it that way.

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Let's say Herbie makes 50K a year but his lavish lifestyle costs 60K. That's a problem. But wait. Let's take ten years of my income v. only six years of my spending. How am I doing? This is fantastic. I would have a "surplus" of 140K over ten years. I can't wait to spend all my new money.

JOHN D.: YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU . . . HHH = HOPELESS HELPLESS HOWCANYOUBELIEVETHAT

The poll that is going to matter, and the Dems know it, is the one coming in November. Barbara, call me "Senator cause I've earned it" Boxer is going to lose in the liberal haven of California. That won't be the only shocker to the blind as a bat liberals.

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The American people do not want this bill because it is too cumbersome, the deals made to get the votes, it does not cut down the deficit (you see, the Dems are playing funny here by having tax increases in place four years BEFORE the health care alleged benefits take place
Posted by: John D | March 12, 2010 7:32 PM
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Whiny Lil' Johnny,

The Dems won their majorities in large part by running on health care reform, that's called {DEMOCRACY}. The party (Republican) that lost the last two elections by a landslide does NOT speak for America (despite what your heroes at Fixed News Channel and Druggy Rush might be telling you), that's called {OBSTRUCTING} the will of the majority of Americans. If the Repugs really thought health care reform was such a terrible thing they wouldn't be trying so hard to kill it, they know they're screwed.

Also, while you and your fellow right wing mouth-breathers were running around waving teabags in the air last April, the Dems were busy passing the largest tax cut in history for the middle-class.

You're hilarious Lil Johnny, I love punking deadender Wingnutters like you, the kind that are so stupid that they actually go out and protest against their own well being, and in favor of Billionaires getting tax cuts from Republicans.

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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_02/016948.php
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John D. You and I are paying for the ininsured. The average cost for each insured person to pay for the uninsured is over $1000.00 per year. Requiring people to have insurance will decrease my yearly cost. I am sick of paying for someone elses lack of insurance.

Who said leadership would be easy? Who said every decision is based on what political advantage it will offer me over my opponents? Healthcare reform, as indicated in every poll, is necessary and sought after. As to what form it will take and in what the details will be, is up to our elected leaders. At the moment, President Obama is the leader of our country and it has become his mission to do right by the people of America, particularly, the working people of our country. The working people include those that aren't making the $200,000, or more, a year and, of course, those that make considerably less. It is this group of Americans that have been bearing the brunt of an economic system that has all but neglected their needs, for the sake of the rich and famous. They are underpaid, overworked and mistreated in so many ways and yet they are the bedrock of this nation. They pay their taxes, they fight and die in our wars, they are, all but a few, model citizens and yet, they are and continue to be treated as second-class citizens. They are the victims of our economic system, not the beneficiaries. They are the ones carrying the tax burden, bailing out mismanaged Corporations and, unfortunately, those economic classes that are dying in a Corporate war in Iraq and untenable war in Afghanistan. They honor the call of our nation, sometimes to the point of tragedy and death. So, in my humble opinion, it is only fair and the right thing to do, to correct a glaring and wrong-headed practice that has been allowed to fester, for at least 103 years. The practice of allowing the Healthcare Corporations to continue to gouge its clients/patients, to continue to ration patient/clients healthcare. In other words, it is time for the Corporations to treat these Americans as their fellow Americans, not as the serving class. That is why President Obama is willing to take his chances with providing the healthcare reform that all Americans want, that America needs. It is the right thing to do. Every honest American knows that is the right thing to do and yet they will allow their narrow-minded ideology to dictate the perverse position of denying America that necessary step, which she needs to take in order to get back on the road to economic recovery and towards a healthier nation. It will be a national tragedy if we do not help President Obama enact the healthcare reforms he is calling for. It will not be President Obama's " Waterloo ' if his plan is not supported and legislated, it will be America's " Waterloo " !!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Triple H.

Once more the school is in for the imbecile. Here is the trickery being employed by the child president and the loony liberals in Congress. They start a program in which they include taxes and fees on the citizens which began in year one of the program. Now try to keep up little one. But, here comes the trickery they do not begin the services in this program until year five. Now I'll put this in a way you can understand I hope. You tax the people for 10 years but only give them six years of service. In the first 10 years if everything and I mean everything goes as planned (and how often does that happen) the program will be budget neutral meaning will not add to the debt or deficit. But as soon as you go beyond the first 10 years everything changes. If you go to year 14 it is no longer neutral but now a rather large negative of over $1 trillion. See that is the one thing the loony liberals do not like to read in the CBO's report on the healthcare bill. They make it clear that if all the variables are met it can work and also says it's a low probability that all the variables will be met. Like I said try to keep up with the adults but, you really don't have to be adult to be a cut-and-paste artist. I'm one of those independents that set down with a pot of coffee and read the House version of the bill. What did I find that I could understand clearly. The Democrats giving the trial lawyers a complete pass. 14 new fees (stealth tax) and taxes. Racial preferences in hiring and training of medical professionals. Getting certain professional groups (unions) a pass that other nonunion members do not receive. Let me be clear there were a few good things in the bill just as there are few good things in the proposals put forth by the Republicans. And yes the Republicans introduce the first healthcare reform bill in March of 2009 and it is a matter of public record on the website Open Congress. Why do you thank the DMC talking point calling the Republicans the party of no is being debunked. Because the over 30 (I do not know there were that many) bills introduced by Republicans is on the congresses own website. Now it takes a little work they are not just going to hand you the information like most liberals expect.

Unfortunate that our representatives (e.g. the president) are spending time and money campaigning for a reform which already has so much support.

I mean, it's in the bag, isn't it? Everyone except the Republicans want this reform, so it should pass, right? I mean, what they want doesn't really matter because they're liars.