Obama: Health 'reform' vote is just that

INDEPENDENT VOTERS WANT DEMOCRATS TO PASS HEALTH CARE REFOM

"Independent voters want Congress to do something on health care: 69 percent of Independents said that health care is "an urgent problem that requires immediate action" or "serious problem that should be dealt with as soon as possible"-

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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/the-independent-mood/37526/
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GO FIGURE . . .
Democrats Against Democracy
Up or down vote? What up or down vote?
For weeks, President Obama has been demanding an "up or down vote" on health care legislation. So where is the president now that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she would like to pass the Senate health care bill in the House without allowing an up or down vote on it?
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http://spectator.org/archives/2010/03/17/democrats-against-democracy

Radical Republican Teabaggers Taunt America's Sick

As the health care reform debate heads into its final days, the Republican opposition is turning on the sick themselves. This week, the right-wing echo chamber blasted an 11 year old boy whose mother passed away due to lack of health insurance.
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http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/right-wing-attacks-11-year-old
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And a day after the right wing conservative blogosphere protested that Obama insurance reform case study Natoma Canfield might yet receive charity from the prestigious Cleveland Clinic
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/16/us/AP-US-Health-Care-Ohio-Woman.html?_r=1
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Furious Teabaggers in Washington taunted a man suffering from Parkinson's disease.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/17/tea-party-parkinsons/
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Apparently, the Republican Party that believes "no American is denied health care in America" because "you just go to an emergency room" ....because we all know that going to the emergency room is free......NOT!
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http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001774.htm
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President Obama is correct when he stated "that the public will know the difference" when his Health Plan passes and is enacted into law. But what the President and the Democratic Leadership has not told you is how much is this going to cost and assure us that the Quality of Health Care does not go down. The Uninsured will be put into Medicaid and the Federal Government will pay this bill for a couple of years. But after that the States will be responsible for the Medicaid payments. The State of Illinois is currently broke and cannot pay its bills. How is the State going to pay for Medicaid without huge tax increases. It is being reported that Medicare has only 7 years before it becomes insolvent. And payments the Obama Plan, if approved, will not kick in until 2014. How are we going to pay for that? At that time we are probably in for big increases in Federal Taxes. Although we do need Health Reform in this country the half baked Obama Plan is going to cost trillions of dollars plus. And are we going to have the Quality of Health care that we enjoy know go down? Are those newly covered people going to flood the Doctor's Offices and Hospitals? Will there be long waiting lists to get standard medical procedures done? How are we going to pay for all this without huge new tax increases on both the Federal and State Levels? Before rushing this bill through, even with the possibility of no vote in the House, we need to study this and put together the best program possible and not a half baked one to make a President look good. Ge ready folks, large tax increases are coming.

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Democrats Against Democracy
Up or down vote? What up or down vote?
Posted by: Bobby Mobbie | March 17, 2010 4:37 PM
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MORE RIGHT WING LIES FROM BOBBY'S MOMMY...

If the Dems are passing HCR without a vote, why isn't it over yet?

People, the whole Republican playbook here (see Bobby Mobbie above) -- is to purposefully confuse the fact that a vote will be held with the much better-sounding story that there will be no vote.
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http://www.congressmatters.com/storyonly/2010/3/15/2183/-In-the-Speakers-Office
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At least the President chose to make his pitched before an informed and educated TV news audience. Besides, you have to make sure you have your rabies vaccination up to date before appearing live in the studios of MSNBC these days.

Angry Republican Teabaggers heckle woman whose daughter-in-law died because she didn’t have health insurance.

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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/23/tea-heckle-woman/
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Radical Republican Teabaggers heckle a woman in a wheel chair.

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http://www.nj.com/ledgerlive/index.ssf/2009/08/health_care_reform_town_hall_n.html
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Bruce,

Where's your outrage? In the above story, Republicans is capitalized and democrats is not!!!!!!!

I expect your full investigation into the matter.

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At least the President chose to make his pitched before an informed and educated TV news audience.

Posted by: Oak Park Lefty | March 17, 2010 5:04 PM
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Bobby's Mommy sock puppet,

You mean an "informed and educated TV audience".....that regularly od's on stuff like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YiAkTdmj0A
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This complete blithering idiot is either a total out-and-out habitual liar or he is so demented and deranged that he actually believes the BS he pedals. My money is on both.

"I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or Senate," Obama said."

Unless of course it's Senator Obama bewailing the impending demise of the country when the Republicans suggested using reconciliation years ago. In those days that kind of procedural shortcut meant the death of the republic. These days I guess anything goes and the end justifies the means, no matter how many rules must be distorted or discarded along the way.

"MOST TRANSPARENT SHAMINISTRATION **EVER**" MISS ME YET? OBAMA STONEWALLS ALMOST 2X BUSH
PROMISES, PROMISES: Is gov't more open with Obama?
WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal agencies haven't lived up to President Barack Obama's promise of a more open government, increasing their use of legal exemptions to keep records secret during his first year in office.
An Associated Press review of Freedom of Information Act reports filed by 17 major agencies found that the use of nearly every one of the law's nine exemptions to withhold information from the public rose in fiscal year 2009, which ended last October.
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Among the most frequently used exemptions: one that lets the government hide records that detail its internal decision-making. Obama specifically directed agencies to stop using that exemption so frequently, but that directive appears to have been widely ignored.
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Major agencies cited that exemption at least 70,779 times during the 2009 budget year, up from 47,395 times during President George W. Bush's final full budget year, according to annual FOIA reports filed by federal agencies. Obama was president for nine months in the 2009 period.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9EFLQB80&show_article=1
BY THE WAY, TRICKLE H, YOU ARE SO PATHETIC, BUT PLEASE KEEP SHOWING US HOW "SMART" AND "TOLERANT" AND "PROGRESSIVE" AND . . . THE LEFTIE LIB BASE IS!!!!

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when the Republicans suggested using reconciliation years ago. In those days that kind of procedural shortcut meant the death of the republic. These days I guess anything goes and the end justifies the means

Posted by: Dispenser of random thoughts | March 17, 2010 6:02 PM
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MORE FACTFREE BLOVIATING FROM ANOTHER ONE OF BOBBY'S MOMMY'S SOCK-PUPPETS.......

Republicans are doing everything they can to convince the media and the public that using the budget reconciliation process to finish health care would be a grave crime against democracy.

Republican Judd Gregg: Reconciliation Is The Rule Of The Senate:

"But reconciliation is part of the Senate rules. And there's perhaps no better person to make that point than Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)--the Senate Republicans' top budget guy--who vociferously defended the use of reconciliation when his party tried to use it in 2005 to allow drilling in Alaska."

Gregg went on, "Is there something wrong with majority rules? I don't think so."

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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/gregg-reconciliation-is-the-rule-of-the-senate-video.php
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Here's a transcript from the interview:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589589,00.html

Here's BO answer to double counting Medicare savings:

BAIER: The CBO has said specifically that the $500 billion that you say that you're going to save from Medicare is not being spent in Medicare. That this bill spends it elsewhere outside of Medicare. So you can't have both.

OBAMA: Right.

BAIER: You either spend it on expenditures or you make Medicare more solvent. So which is it?

OBAMA: Here's what it does. On the one hand what you're doing is you're eliminating insurance subsidies within Medicare that aren't making anybody healthier but are fattening the profits of insurance companies. Everybody agrees that that is not a wise way to spend money. Now, most of those savings go right back into helping seniors, for example, closing the donut hole.

When the previous Congress passed the prescription drug bill, what they did was they left a situation which after seniors had spent a certain amount of money, suddenly they got no help and they were stuck with the bill. Now that's a pretty expensive proposition fixing that. It wasn't paid for at the time that that bill was passed. So that money goes back into Medicare, both to fix the donut hole, lower premiums.

All those things are important, but what's also happening is each year we're spending less on Medicare overall and as consequence, that lengthens the trust fund and it's availability for seniors.

That's absolutely false. We will not be spending less on Medicare. Another Lie.

The questions Baier asked BO were right on spot and BO just spun them.

I'm no fan of the healthcare status quo--with $8 aspirin and $500 'consultations' that consist of "How are you? Goodbye."--clearly the stautus quo is unacceptable.
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But does anybody actually know what's in this bill? I mean really? With 2700 pages (5-1/2 reams of paper, a stack about 20" high) of incomprehensible legaleze, does anybody know what they're ranting for? Or against? I doubt if most of the people who voted on it know what's there.
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That's scary.
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There is failure all around to make the healthcare debate comprehensible. Most Americans are dissatisfied with things as they are, but can anybody be confident in any solution coming out of DC?
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Only fools can.
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http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/globalrights/democracy/abcs.html

President Barack Obama, fighting to assemble the votes needed for passage of healthcare legislation after more than a year of pressing Congress for action, says that a vote for the bill will be a vote for reform -- and a vote against it, against reform.
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Mustapha Mond, the dynamic, transformative, “hope and change”, brilliant, 44th President of the United States, consistently doesn’t get it. Here’s what a “yes” vote would be for:

- Shady political deals done behind closed doors in the dead of night
- democrat Bribes for democrat votes
- Fraudulent accounting
- 6 years of delayed benefits partially funded by 10 years of taxes
- Taxes on some but not on our Union friends
- The renouncement of medicare obligations to senior subjects of the Crown
- Replacing princely premiums with higher premiums
- Enforced pro-bono services imposed on doctors and hospitals
- Layers of bureaucratic paperwork that the human mind surely cannot imagine

How can anyone fully understand the ramifications of 2,700 pages of Socialist styled crap? No one can accurately project what this load of crap will do to us individually or collectively. Appendicitis will be on par, from a risk standpoint, as stage IV cancer. I suppose no one can argue with the overall egalitarianism of a roulette wheel.

This guy talks down to people like he has some kind of special insight and intellect that no one else but him seems to possess. I know that Axelrod, and Emmanuel have ardently adapted Brave New World, but did they also borrow a couple of scenes from the movie “Dave”?

Mustapha Mond Healthcare will surely be multi-faceted. That’s just one stand-out quality. As President of the United States, this guy deserves some rudimentary level of respect, but there is just NO way that Django could ever, in his wildest dreams, pretend that this guy is that smart on any special heretofore unseen level. Even his logo is fraudulent. You violate a Disney logo and they come after you. Prosecute first, ask questions later is what Disney would do. Pepsi seems to be o.k. with this infringement.

Drink the koolaid, Get a complimentary lobotomy. What line do you have to stand in for the lobotomy?

Let's see, Obimbo once said he had visited 57 states. He also once said that Kentucky did not border Illinois, but it did border Arkansas and that was why Hillary beat him in the primary.
Then on Monday, Obimbo said if his health care reform passes that it would lower health care premiums for businesses by 3,000 percent and he was very adament about that.
Now, tonight, Obimbo said Hawaii had an earthquake and likened it to Hurricane Katrina and Louisiana.
Here is the proof of the Latest Episode of Obimbo's Follies:
http://www.breitbart.tv/puzzling-statement-obama-says-louisiana-purchase-will-help-with-the-earthquake-in-hawaii/

500 billion is being double counted in this piece of legislation per the CBO and the Medicare Actuary.

These types of accounting gimmicks are why the American public dislike the politicians in Washingon.

This legislation will lead to much higher taxes on everyone!

Looked like the Fox man was more interested in preventing complete answers from the President than he was in an answer with his constant interrupting. I'd have liked to have heard the complete responses.

In the British comedy "Yes Prime Minister" the fictional PM lectured his staff on how to handle awkward questions from the press. Technique number 8 was "Take Refuge in a long pointless narrative. If you can ramble on for long enough, no one will remember the question..."
President Obama has obviously mastered this technique.

Every day brings us one day closer to the end of the takeover of Congress by liberal goons. And triple H. you are becoming more childish by the day. For the president to sit there and state "I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or Senate,'' shows how weak he has become. And to think this sleazy maneuver the liberal goons are thinking of using and he said is it's a vote. It looks like it will take the American people to teach Obama like a vote really is.

Contrary to what Obama and the media say, this legislation is NOT about health CARE. It is about health INSURANCE. There is not one item in the legislation (that no one has read yet) that will improve health CARE in America, acknowledged as the best in the world. Better doctors and nurses? No. Better hospitals? No. Better treatments, drugs, technology? No.
Call it what it is: A government grab of the insurance industry. Will it improve health insurance? No, only make it more expensive for those who actually pay.

"MORE FACTFREE BLOVIATING ..."


Here's what prominent Democrats REALLY think about reconciliation (when they're not the ones using it):

"If the nuclear option is successful, it will turn the Senate into a body that could have its rules broken at any time by a majority of senators unhappy with any position taken by the minority. It begins with judicial nominations. Next will be executive appointments. And then, legislation." --- Dianne Feinstein (May 18, 2005)

"A change in the Senate rules would change the character of the Senate forever. And what I worry about would be that you would essentially still have two chambers in the House and the Senate, but you would have, simply, majoritarian absolute power on either side, and that's just not what the founders intended." --- Barack Obama (April 25, 2005)

"We are on the precipice of a crisis, a constitutional crisis. The checks and balances which have been at the core of this republic are about to be evaporated by the nuclear option." ----- Charles Schumer, 2005

"The nuclear option is ultimately an example of the arrogance of power. It is a fundamental power grab. I say to my friends on the Republican side: You may own the field right now, but you won't own it forever. And I pray God that when the Democrats take back control we don't make the kind of naked power grab you are doing." ---- Joe Biden (May 23, 2005)

"The Senate is being asked to turn itself inside out; to ignore the precedents, to ignore the way our system has worked, the delicate balance we have obtained that has kept this constitutional system going – for the immediate gratification of the present president. ... You’ve got majority rule and then you have the senate over here where people can slow things down where they can debate where they have something called the filibuster. You know it seems like it’s a little less than efficient -- well that’s right it is. And deliberately designed to be so." ---- Hillary Clinton (May 23, 2005)

In the British comedy "Yes Prime Minister" the fictional PM lectured his staff on how to handle awkward questions from the press. Technique number 8 was "Take Refuge in a long pointless narrative. If you can ramble on for long enough, no one will remember the question..."
President Obama has obviously mastered this technique.

Posted by: Bruce | March 18, 2010 10:15 AM
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Bruce, that is EXACTLY what this guy does. He square dances better than any of the MD-20/20 winos at a Willie Nelson festival.