Questions swirl around wind-jobs studies

IS ALGORE THE MAIN CAUSE OF "GLOBAL WARMING"?
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Gore still hot on his doomsday rhetoric
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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/03/03/gore_still_hot_on_his_doomsday_rhetoric/

Who needs study that is open to interpretation when all you have to do is look at what happened in the UK. The UK passed a bill similar to the cap and trade bill that is under consideration here. In the UK it has been shown for every new green job created they lost a net of five jobs. There is a way to go about incorporating green technology into society. It should start with individuals in their homes.

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IS ALGORE THE MAIN CAUSE OF "GLOBAL WARMING"?
Posted by: Bobby Mobbie | March 3, 2010 1:22 PM
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Wingnuts don't believe in science (see above). They think Jesus rode a dinosaur and the Earth is flat.

Ever wonder why, in a $800 BILLION stimulus bill, only $2 Billion went to "renewable" energy, and most of that money went to companies in China and Spain?

Ever wonder why, when for 15 years libs have told us that the world was on the verge of dying, that they never used their own money for any research, but waited GOVERNMENTS to put up money for things they could have funded if they cared to?

Libs don believe in science, unless they can shred it if it does not have the answers they want.

Last spring, a university study from Spain roiled Capitol Hill. The study, funded by a free-market think tank with links to the fossil fuel industry, calculated that government subsidies for the wind-power industry killed more jobs than they created, because the subsidies drained money from the (more efficient) private sector. ~ J.T.
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There cannot be a level playing field if one side is being subsidized by government. An overall inefficiency is created because natural market forces are countered or neutralized by the flow of subsidies to prop up the weaker position.

Emails show the Laboratory researchers shared a draft of those findings with officials from the wind industry group before the white paper was published - a privilege not afforded to fossil fuel or business lobbyists. ~ J.T.
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And it will never be a fair debate in Amerika n Transistion.

While democrats are locating the earth’s thermostat and making the appropriate adjustments there, they also need to do something to get the wind to do right. It is problematic that wind does not seem to blow continuously, even on the Great Lakes. When there is wind, its commercial utility value is generally no greater than 50%. When there is no wind, there will be no electricity.

This movee is going to be hard to follow with all of the blackouts that one will have to sit through just to get to the end. Chavez is already doing rolling blackouts in Venezuela. Unlike the wind, rolling blackouts at least have some degree of predictability, or so one would tend to “hope”. Just “hope” that Amerika does not get lapped by Venezuela.

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Ever wonder why, in a $800 BILLION stimulus bill, only $2 Billion went to "renewable" energy, and most of that money went to companies in China and Spain?Libs don believe in science, unless they can shred it if it does not have the answers they want.

Posted by: Dan C | March 3, 2010 2:01 PM
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The Dems tried to get more money in the very successful stimulus bill for more renewable energy projects and research but the Repugs wouldn't let them (the Dems didn't have 60 votes in Feb 09). And as far as money going to China and Spain...that's just another manufactured right wing lie.

If you flat earth Repugs want to carry water for the Big Oil companies, that's fine. You'll have to live with the end results just like everyone else will.

Only one side is being subsidized by government--the windmill enthusiasts.

One estimate pegs direct and indirect government subsidization of the Greenies at $79 billion.

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Only one side is being subsidized by government--the windmill enthusiasts.One estimate pegs direct and indirect government subsidization of the Greenies at $79 billion.
Posted by: Equal time | March 3, 2010 3:50 PM
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Slobby Mobbie
Yeah, and when you're getting your "esitimates" from Big Oil funded voodoo scientific studies, you can pretty much pull anything out of your backside and link to it.

GO BIG OIL!!!

China is going to furnish the equip. for a 240 unit windfarm in Abilene, Tx. A ton of stimulus money is going to Chinese mfgs. The same for solar. It's no lie that the money is going to China.....remember we owe them a LOT of money.

Wind is given a competitive advantage over traditional power sources (coal, gas, nuclear). Coal, nuclear and gas operators must pay for their own backup if an operational or maintenance problem prevents them from delivering power as promised. But if wind generators fail to deliver promised power because the wind doesn't blow, the cost of backing up wind power companies is spread among all the generators, state officials say. This puts an unfair burden on nonwind generators.

In addition, there are also health concerns about living near wind farms.

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China is going to furnish the equip. for a 240 unit windfarm in Abilene, Tx. A ton of stimulus money is going to Chinese mfgs. The same for solar. It's no lie that the money is going to China...

Posted by: gofer | March 3, 2010 5:00 PM
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Really?

Prove it....and not with some right wing garbage that you got from Faux News or Druggy Rush.

You can't do it because you're full of crap and you know it.

Obama administration coordinates smear campaign with wind-industry lobbyists.

What happened to Obama's promise to keep lobbyists out of his administration?

Another day, another Obama lie exposed.

Chinese also control 46% of California solar and they are moving east. Both solar and wind cannot survive without huge subsidies and just like ethanol, it will go on and on. Wind operators will get as much as possible with the subsidies and once the warranties run out, it's anybodies guess whether they will be maintained or abandoned. In 25 yrs., the landscape will be littered with old mill "machines" which will be a monument to stupidity and ideology. Wind will never replace one coal plant.

Here is what you get from wind

http://www.transmission.bpa.gov/Business/Operations/Wind/baltwg.aspx

BPA spent $3 Billion and they get about 250 Mw out of that. Think of how many wind mills it will take to make USA 20% wind powered. You will see a windmill every where you look.

Take your scenic pictures now.

It is amazing what Amerikans can be made to fall for. What a scam the wind energy business has already become. It provides something like 0.6% of Amerika’s consumer-sector energy. Add in solar, and it can be projected to be 2.6%... 25 years from now. In Germany and Spain wind has already been a huge, expensive failure, even with the subsidies thrown in, but there is never nothing to be learned from those sort of government sponsored exercises in promoting failure.

The DOE stimulus funds supposedly required American made turbines so as to eliminate any competition from coming at GE. Now I love GE. They got some serious looking stuff, but what kind of deal are they going to cut with anyone when they know that Siemens and Toshiba have been removed from the bus? Just like the 1880’s when government regulation of the railroads, the banks, steel, and anything else that might have had a pulse, was the new soup du jour. Some regulations were no doubt needed, but nothing like government regulation to effectively eliminate the competition which the GEs of the World quickly figured out was clearly the preferred business model above all pretenders.

GE got their magic markers out now, re-adjusting the retail “bid” prices on those turbines. Ah yeah, the inefficiency, the waste, the side deals, the slippery deals, the night time deals, the New Deal. This will look like kindergarten stuff by the time the Global Warming Load of Crap is finally rolled out. democrats love this kind of big scale, interminable What-not more than Django loves GE.

The worse part though, is that Amerika has just gone delusional with this lame-a$$ Folly of the Wind. It would be good to know what metals go into making this low-energy generating apparati that democrats find so alluring. It is bound to require a lot of copper. Probably lots of aluminum, maybe even some titanium. Any good junk man with a 5-year business model is going to have a healthy interest in loading his F-150 with some of that specialty stash, should the pigeon shelter option also fail.

What's all this subsidy talk? Like dirty energy producers don't get any help? What about all the subsidies they get from the environment? Who pays for cleaning all the water coal poisons? Who pays for all the clean up?

'Green jobs, Santa Claus and Unicorn Land'

http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/26/3954003-green-jobs-santa-claus-and-unicorn-land-

Hydros are the only way to go, in my opinion. Quebec is nearly Kyoto compliant using their hydros. WI has over 3,000 dams that sit idle and produce no power. American idiots have forgotten everything their forfathers had learned.

Global Warming Flaks Reduced to a Strategy of Denial
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climate change alarmism has been promoted by government-paid scientists whose promotion of these scares has done wonders for government agency budgets. In requesting $5.6 billion for NOAA's 2011 budget -- up from $4.3 billion in FY 2009 -- Lubchenco said that the recent budget request "reflects the commitment of the President and the Secretary of Commerce to job creation, science and the environment."
Job creation! Who at NOAA or NASA or GISS is going to jeopardize his or her job, or the government mission of job creation, by challenging the climate-change gravy train? Why is oil-company money said to subvert science, but not government money?
Government agencies have spent over $30 billion pursuing and promoting the global warming scare that keeps so many scientists and bureaucrats fully employed.
Meanwhile, Phil Jones, the University of East Anglia scientist at the center of the leaked emails, told the BBC recently that there hasn't been any statistically significant global warming since 1995.
How can the Washington Post or the New York Times make decisions about the truth of global warming without relying on the claims of government-funded scientists? They can't.
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http://spectator.org/archives/2010/03/04/global-warming-flaks-reduced-t

Horrible Form,

Now that is finally a good thought.

Xcellentform,

I’m not a Marxist, so I certainly don’t give a damn about Kyoto, but it is good to see that a fine Liberal such as yourself, can recognize that it takes a serious source of energy to extract something of real value, and wind ain’t it unless all you need is some mood lighting that flickers to some kind of erratic beat. It will be more than money that will be lost if America allows itself to be sucked down this rat hole.

'Green jobs, Santa Claus and Unicorn Land'
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/26/3954003-green-jobs-santa-claus-and-unicorn-land-
Posted by: Barbara Durkin | March 4, 2010 7:23 AM

Barbara,

DON’T tell the democrats that there are NO unicorns. This will really mess up their tenuous grip on reality. Thanx for the fine link.

This story reminded me of the book The Finansist by Theodore Dreiser. Read it! You'll understand a lot! It is funny that everything remains the same.

At the end of the day, we have no choice but to move to more sustainable, i.e. "green" fuels and alternative energies. It's impact on jobs, the economy, global warming, etc., can be debated all day. What can't be debated is the steadily increasing of fuel prices. We will have to move to renewable fuels, in the near future, no matter what. The biggest "sign" pointing in this direction is that the Army, Air Force, and Navy, as well as most major airlines and oil companies are moving in this direction as well. Big money flows towards realistic opportunity...not pipe dreams.

is a pity that the money be the main reason that they do not allow new ways of generating energy to develop and begin to give optimal results.

I am very interested in this program, but do not know much about it. After reading your article, I have more experience to work with him. Your post is interesting and picturesque. I hope he can get his place in next time. Go on!

I am not a Marxist, so you certainly do not give a damn about Kyoto, but it is good to see that a fine liberals, like yourself, can recognize that it takes an important source of energy to extract something of real value, and wind is nothing less than everything you need is some ambient light that flashes to a type of irregular heartbeat. More than money will be lost if the U.S. leaves sucked into this rat hole.

This story reminded me of the book The Finansist by Theodore Dreiser. Read it! You'll understand a lot! It is funny that everything remains the same.