Slaughter solution: Rolling the (dice) bill

Yeah and what's hilarious about this is that the Repugs have used this parlimentary stuff to pass bills 3x more than the Dems ever have and yet they're still crying about this being "rammed down their throats"....like one will notice that they're liars and hypocrites.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or the Senate,'' Obama said

Or the constitution this moron swore to uphold. Now if he could just shut down the remaining few in the press that don't repeat the lies unquestioned, he could be just like his idol, Hugo. Why doesn't he just deem himself president for life?

Yes, the Democrats must resort to hood-winking, Chicago-style gimmicks to try to get this unpopular legislation through the Congress. With 57% of the American citizens AGAINST the bill, more American citizens disapprove of Obama than approve, the Democrats are ignoring their constituents to pass this monster. That could explain why the Democrat leadership sent a secret memo to the Democrats, telling them what to say and not say about the bill. It provides explicit talking points and, more importantly, thing to NOT discuss. The memo tells the Democrats to NOT mention the additional $371 billion fix they intend to introduce after the weasel the bill through Congress.

"“Most health staff are already aware that our health proposal does not contain a 'doc fix.' … The inclusion of a full SGR repeal would undermine reform’s budget neutrality. So again, do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered,” the memo, sent Thursday to Democratic staff, said.

“As most health staff knows, leadership and the White House are working with the AMA to rally physicians for a full SGR repeal later this spring. However, both health and communications staff should understand we do not want that policy discussion discussed at this time, lest (it) complicate the last critical push to pass health reform,” according to the memo."

The memo also repeatedly advises Democrats not to discuss the details of the CBO score.

“We cannot emphasize this enough: do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered," the memo says."

The Democrats method of "deeming it passed" will eventually be determined to be unconstitutional, as well.

Face it, the majority of American citizens DO NOT want the Obama-care bill, but your Democrats want to shove it through, after all, they do know the American citizens are too stupid to take care of themselves! Yes, Chicago-style politics is alive and well in D.C.

REPUBLICAN HYPOCRASY: On Parliamentary Procedure

"Any veteran observer of Congress is used to the rampant hypocrisy over the use of parliamentary procedures that shifts totally from one side to the other as a majority moves to minority status, and vice versa. But I can’t recall a level of feigned indignation nearly as great as what we are seeing now from congressional Republicans and their acolytes at the Wall Street Journal, and on blogs, talk radio, and cable news. It reached a ridiculous level of misinformation and disinformation over the use of reconciliation, and now threatens to top that level over the projected use of a self-executing rule by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi."

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http://blog.american.com/?p=11467
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If the Repubs can spend 30 years passing their agenda this way, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. This exact procedure was used over 40 times by the Republicans when they last controlled the Congress.

No Obama doesn't care if he slaughters the Constitution. He only cares about himself:

The Chicago Tribune reports:
“The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.
There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.”

The entire story of Obama’s first election, disturbing and disappointing as it is, is here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story?page=1

...and how many times have the republicans used this 'slaughter rule' to pass legislation?? How about recess appointments?? If this Mr. Boner wants controversy, he need look into a mirror.

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I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or the Senate,'' Obama said Or the constitution this moron swore to uphold.
Posted by: Hans | March 19, 2010 2:44 PM
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First off, Clown
Obama is not a part of the legislative branch so it isn't his worry.

And secondly, why don't you show the class exactly where in the Constitution it says that the president should make himself the head of both the legislative and the excutive branch?

The closet thing I can recall of where something like that has ever happened is when your hero Shrub Jr lied his way into an invasion of Iraq.....but of course that was fine with you...seeing as how Shrub Jr was a Republican and a pasty white guy, right?

The Right Wing Noise Machine (Faux News, AM Hate Radio etc) has falsely accused Democrats of hypocrisy (again) for considering the use of a legislative procedure known as a self-executing rule to finalize health care reform in the House. They have falsely claimed Democrats criticized Republicans' use of a self-executing rule in 2006. In fact, those Democrats did not criticize the 2006 bill because it was passed using that process, but rather because the version of the bill passed by the House differed substantively from the version signed by President Bush.

Try again, Wingnutters...

Poll: GOP Opposition Makes People More Likely To Support Health Care Reform

This is hilarious: according the most recent survey from the non-partisan Kaiser Health Foundation, Republican opposition to health care reform is backfiring -- instead of driving down support for reform, GOP obstruction is actually encouraging more people to support the bill than to oppose it.

Check out the numbers:

QUESTION: Does the fact that every Republican Member of Congress opposes the current health care proposals make you more likely to support the legislation, less likely, or doesn’t that make much difference either way?
-More likely to support legislation: 27%
-Less likely to support legislation: 20%
-No difference: 51%

To be fair and balanced, most people don't give a damn what the GOP is saying, but of those who do, the GOP's opposition is giving reform a slight boost. Meanwhile, President Obama's support for the proposal is making people more likely to support the legislation.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/87875-kaiser-poll-shows-uptick-in-support-for-health-reform
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HHH. Of course the idiot in chief, former teaching assistant in constitutional law, could care less whether the constitution is upheld by the legislative branch or his executive branch. For libs, the ends always justify the means.

I love how you libs were fooled by the most stupid president ever, by overwhelming majorities, and just continued on supporting this "lie" with funding year after year.

And speaking of lies, how's that trillion dollar bailout for unions and bankrupt states doing at keeping unemployment below 8%? The fool has spent more in one year to tank the economy than we spent during eight yrs in Iraq.

And how many assasinations does our little marxist have on his hands and how is that working out? I wonder if his terrorist buddies would prefer getting water poured on their heads or a missle up the wazoo. Such the humanitarian we have now.

And so giving...... with other people's money. Maybe you can tell me how giving away the proceeds of an award he admits he didn't earn makes up the 1% annual charity contributions he made.

For you clueless on the left, giving HC to the few millions that couldn't be bothered to procure it on their own is not caring unless you are actually paying for it yourselves. Getting others to pay for your "charity" at the point of a gun, is just state santioned robbery.

Barrack Obama:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Well, he doesn't have any ability so that explains it HHH.

"The American people are going to hear about every payoff, every kickback and every sweetheart deal that comes out,'' House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) promised today. "

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...Bohner's working hard for his political contributors, which include the pharma and insurance cartels.
Whats good for the goose, should be good for the gander.
Exactly how much has been "donated" to Bohner by the enemies of healthcare reform?
Time to fess up, John.

Now it makes sense, HHH is a racist, thinking any opposition to Obama's policies is a black/lily white thing. HHH - get over yourself and stop with the Dem talking points.

Writerofwrongs, speaking of the pharmaceuticals, exactly what are your thoughts about the deals the Obimbo presidency have made to get them on board? Or all of the lobbyists the Dems have been sleeping with? Or the fact that there is no tort reform because as Howard Dean said, the Dems are owned and run by the trial lawyers?

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the idiot in chief, former teaching assistant in constitutional law, could care less whether the constitution is upheld by the legislative branch or his executive branch. For libs, the ends always justify the means. I love how you libs were fooled by the most stupid president ever
Posted by: Hans | March 19, 2010 4:05 PM
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Wingnut Clown,

How does stating the FACT that Obama is not "taking over" the legislative branch because it is not his business, nor is it legal = "the ends justifying the means"?

And calling Obama "the most stupid president ever" is hilarious coming from a right wing drooler like you who voted for Shrub Jr.....twice.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRYPYuFZLk
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VIDEO: Dem Congressman: 'If You Don't Tie Our Hands, We Will Keep Stealing'
http://www.americanparchment.com/video/2010/mar/congressman_hands_steal.html

If you want to see pur bribery, look at the story of California Democrats, Dennis Cardoza and Jim Costa and the blackmail that was used to get their votes.

Give us Yes votes and we will let the water flow to the San Joaquin Valley (their districts) again. The federal gov't has shut the water off for some two-inch fish and caused unemployment in the region over 20%, but will open the valves for the a couple of votes.

http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/03/water-for-obamacare-votes.html

BUSTED! THUG REPUBLICANS PUSHING FAKE DEM HEALTH CARE MEMO

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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/gop-leadership-pushed-memo-dems-say-is-hoax/
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The arrogant Democrats who will defy the American people and abet Obama’s nearly trillion dollar government takeover of Americans’ health care.
Embodying the arrogant intellectuals unacquainted with real life who foist their insane ideas on the rest of us, these ideologically addled Democrats:
1. Feel they are smarter than you;
2. Believe they can run your life better than you; and,
3. Consider themselves your masters not your servants.
Because of these self-anointed, educated idiots our nation’s revolutionary experiment in freedom and self-government teeters on the precipice of implosion.
But even if this abominable bill should pass, our sanctuary of liberty shall not. America’s strength and salvation remains her free people. And this November, all across America her sovereign citizens will teach these Democratic educated idiots that we do not work for government; government works for us.

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Now it makes sense, HHH is a racist, thinking any opposition to Obama's policies is a black/lily white thing. HHH - get over yourself and stop with the Dem talking points.
Posted by: Steve Lobber | March 19, 2010 4:53 PM
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Really, Slobber?

Kind of hard to call Democrats "racists" when it's your fellow Republican Teabagger goons who are walking around carrying signs like this, wouldn't you say?
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http://blackchristiannews.com/news/images/teapartypic-ngr-sign.jpg
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To quote Nancy PeLOUSY for my own benefit, If this "Deemed to have passed" legislation is signed, then I will "Deem myself to have health insurance" and not worry about the government knowing whether or not I have insurance.

Also "I have deemed to already paid my taxes" and thus won't be paying any taxes to support these bozos hijacking this great country.

HHH- here's the same results with the corrected math.
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8058-F.pdf

“As of right now, do you generally support or generally oppose the health care proposals being
discussed in Congress? Is that strongly or somewhat?”

Lump the strong/somewhat “Support”
vs
strong/somewhat “Against”

-Support
Dem=52+23=75%
Ind= 20+16= 36%
Rep= 4+9= 13%
Summing: Strong/somewhat, you have 75+36+13= 124/3=41.3% ave

-Against
Dem=9+6=15%
Ind=38+10=48%
Rep=66+14=80%
15+48+80=143/3=47.6% ave

Totals
Support=41.3%
Against=47.6%

Rounded
Support=41%
Against=48%

I guess the Republicans are making the case after all.

john d:

Writerofwrongs, speaking of the pharmaceuticals, exactly what are your thoughts about the deals the Obimbo presidency have made to get them on board?

wow: the pharma cartel is part of the problem and the problem with pharma are multi-faceted. I was not at all happy over deals made anymore than I am happy about the pointless wars expanded upon.
If you are looking for an Obama apologist, keep looking. I am not a democrat nor a liberal person. I used to be a republican until the neocons took over and partnered up openly with the multi national corporations, invading countries under false pretenses and bankrupting America with job losses and greed. Our leaders have pretty much failed all of us, john, and we will all pay the price and all you r-cons can think about is
TORT reform ?

This voter is MAD AS HELL!

http://tinyurl.com/teadoff

WHY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON EARTH?
Those of you who have written these nasty comments regarding the bill, regarding the president, even if you disagree with him in principle which is not the case because your fury has nothing to do with principles, but with your so-called leaders’ opinion of course your so-called leaders’ opinion is not theirs, but the opinions of those who have bought them. You are the parrots, the echoes of your nation; you are not voices, but echoes. Basically you don’t exist, you are shadows, you just reflect, project and that makes you worst among a dumb people. Don’t take me wrong when I say you are dumb, I’m referring to a lack of schooling, but to a great lacking in critical thinking and analytical skills.
The American people are dumb for being echoes to those who have a stake to gain in the fight toward healthcare reform, dumb for voting for spineless men and women more concern with their own personal survival than the survival of the millions who are losing everything including the very roof over their heads due to an illness, dumb for following dumb leaders. But also mean-spirited for not wanting their neighbours to have the peace of mind if they were to fall ill, mean-spirited for vilifying anyone who wants to do something about it. The American people of my youth were dumb, but not mean-spirited, in fact they were kind-hearted even when they grew up in the heart of bigotry; kind heated enough to go to the little island where I was born to provide the very basic care that they have denied, and continue to deny their own people.
It should be very clear to the American people if the insurance companies are willing to spend hundreds of million dollars to defeat the bill, they are doing it for profit and not because they want to protect them. Then again, we are talking about the dumbest people on earth, we are talking about a people who are afraid to think, and we are talking about a people who let hot heads do all the thinking for them.
I give president Obama lots of credit for fighting for something that he deeply believes in, that’s what separates the leaders from the opportunists, and the congress and senate of the United States are full of opportunists who are followed as leaders. Opportunists like congressmen who voting against their conscience in order to remain in congress; republicans or democrats, they’re not just opportunistic but spineless. Opportunists like Sarah Palin who left an office she was voted in to serve to take advantage of the tide to make money, it’s not about doing good for the American people, it’s not about any of the things they are selling to the gullible American people, but their own bottom line, the stuffing of their own pockets, and fortunately for them the American people are too dumb to figure it out. The American people overall is a dumb, hillbilly people who believes in their own insanity “ we have the best health care system in the whole world” what is a beautiful home if it is toxic and is killing its residents? The knowledge is there, the potential is there, but it’s an illusion to be saying to the world that we have the best health care system in the world.
A Christian nations, where is the compassion for the destitute? Well, I guess I’m wrong to ask that because to these people Christianity was never about doing good to your neighbours, to your fellow human kind, but rather using them to achieve your own success, using them to build your own future.
Those who will say “let’s keep the government out of our lives” I will say to them it was the government that abolished slavery, it was the government that made it the law of the land to stop discriminating against a group because of their race or social status, it was the government that enacted laws to protect the right of women and children, and it will be once again the act of responsible government that will stop discrimination against the less fortunate in this great health care debate. It was never the act of private citizen or the church that protected the rights of citizens, but responsible government. Last but not least, let’s not forget the declaration of independence “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”. What rights? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The American people will stop being the dumbest people of the world when they vote people into the high offices of the land to represent them and not the fortune five hundred companies on Wall Street, the American people will stop being the dumbest people on earth when they stop being parrots; parrot hears, parrot repeats but of course parrot doesn’t understand.
Your leaders reflect you, for they were chosen by you. People of the united states of America, you look dumb when putting people in office who are afraid to make the right decisions because it doesn’t align with the party, with the interest of the fortune five hundred companies, and when election time comes, you elect them into office once again. That’s indeed dumb!

Paul- "opinions" Problem here is Obama's "opinions" are becoming 'Policy' which effects us ALL. Personal opinions don't effect any one but ones self.
It's his over reaching policy most American are in disagreement with now.