Immigration fix: Political science fiction

"Comprehensive" immigration "reform" will be even harder to enact than "comprehensive" health care "reform".

Three simple measures would substantially reduce the problem.

Reinstate 2 sections of the previous law, 212(c) and 245i.

Bring the quota for Mexico current.

See how easy that was?

I really have compassion for the law! That being said if you break the law then you deserve to be punished. What is so hard about that, what part of the law do these people not understand. No one has addressed the immigration problem for decades. And its only going to get worse. How many more innocent people in the states have to get injured by drunken aliens, how many more crimes have to be committed by illegals, the amount of murders on our borders is appalling, not to mention the amount of dope entering the country, Its time for the good doers to realize that profiling works, and that these people need to be deported. Does anyone out there think that any country in Europe would allow undocumented people to stay in their country, If NObama wants to do something posiitive about the immigration situation then let him use the remaining "Tarp" money to export the illegals.

I cant figure out what the problem is. I live in rural NW Missouri and about the only time I see Mexicans is at Wal Mart. The only thing I noticed was they don't stay in the Latino Food Section. .......

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/04/27/latino-food-section-at-walmart-as-seen-by-a-redneck/

It is interesting to compare the rallies of the immigration rights protesters to those of the "violent" tea party rallies.

Which rally had bottles thrown at police officers? Which rally used refried beans to make a swatchika on a Arizona gov't building?

If what Bill Clinton says is true, that is the words of talk radio that create the violence on the right, just who creates all the violence on the left? Could the inspiration for this violence have come from the BO regime itself?

The United States has been invaded by millions of illegals while are elected leaders of both the Democratic and Republican Parties have done NOTHING to stop it. This is a big mess that threatens the very future of the country. In the meantime some of our leaders are playing their own partisan politics for their own agendas to get reelected. Some oppose any immigration reform to appease some of their constituents and others see the illegals as new future voters for their reelection. Shame on Both Parties for thinking only of themselves and their own selfish agendas and screwing the
country.

McCain Speaks! So what if we spent 4.4 Billion dollars! It was always about an "Economic Opportunity at the Border." It was always about "civil rights." They're Trespassing in the GOP Republican First Degree." I seen them WINK WINK, NOD NOD outside Lowes! So what if we spent 64 million dollars on a Boeing deal or no Electronic Surveillance deal! It was GOP! It was phony! It was always about 12 million "Z" people "attesting" unto the SECRETARY, just not Janet! Just not a WOMAN! It was always about 12 million "Z" Felons in our Private Equity Social Security Accounts based in Dubai just before we "Collapsed." We got "Crime Suppression Sweeps" For GOD's Sakes! Sarah is the EVE in EEVS! I'm the REAL ID! He's YOU LIE! YOU LIE! Trespassing in the GOP Arizona First Degree! It's a Hell Hole! Stop! Stop! You're all illegal! I'm drinking the TEA! I'm having a PAR-TAY! It was always about "civil rights." Just not yours! Just ours! We have "single site" operations! We even have a HOTLINE for "actionable brown skin, brown eye intelligence." Just call! We raid! We'll "Force" the ATTESTATION and NATURALIZATION from yo mama and yo daddy and yo neighbor too! ATTEST! ATTEST unto Sheriff Joe and his SKI MASKED SWAT MCSO Arpaio Strausse! ATTEST! Please vote for me I'm Colo Solo Panama Canal Zone (birthers) 1936 Naturalized American Soil! AKA A boat with no Shackles on my feet!

Poor ol' Grampy McLame....

Thanks to the far right wing Teabagger Republican lunatic fringe, he can't even pretend like he's a "maverick" anymore.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-6-2010/say-anything
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Ummm, Terry, quick question? Why do you assume that everyone for immigration reform is a leftist? I mean, all latinos vote Democrat. Don't they? Ignorance is awesome. Maybe you and Sarah Palin can get together and d'bate who is dummer.
Also, all rightists should have a big rally against the last President to allow amnesty to illegals in the US. Tote guns to his library. Intimidate people who follow his political dogma.
What??? It was Reagan. Oh no. Must fight logical senses. Just repeat this...Obama was not born here, Obama was not born here

I cant figure out what the problem is. I live in rural NW Missouri and about the only time I see Mexicans is at Wal Mart. The only thing I noticed was they don't stay in the Latino Food Section. .......

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/04/27/latino-food-section-at-walmart-as-seen-by-a-redneck/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | April 27, 2010 11:37 AM

Gee Ohg, you are observant. If you don't live in a border state, you have no idea the scope of the invasion.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pics.city-data.com/ztransp/29800.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.city-data.com/zips/92335.html&usg=__TBL8lTCz4Qd3DwCML9qE5V_XojQ=&h=300&w=300&sz=19&hl=en&start=13&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=rBkf1ZpiIWoJxM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpopulation%2Bdemographics%2Bfontana%2Bcalifornia%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1W1ACEW_enUS363US363%26tbs%3Disch:1

No, you don't get it. Take a look at the demographics shown here on this site for a typical medium sized city in S. California. The first pie chart shows that this typical community is now 70% Hispanic, all of whom illegally immigrated in the last 25 years. Turning the schools, the neighborhoods into Spanish speaking versions of Mexico. They aren't assimilating; they are simply moving Mexico north. This is not immigration; it's an invasion that takes over. Which is fine if you want to live in Mexico. But most of us have already made the choice that we don't, and to have it imported and forced on you is unjust. For example, how would you liberals like to have a conservative invasion of your bastion of the left, Chicago? Just imagine Dick Cheneys living all around you.

Then starting about half way down the page, you see that illegal immigration spiked after the 1986 amnesty bill and continued after at an extremely high pace. Now pay attention to the graph that show WHEN they left their foreign country. Much of the invasion has happened in the last 15 years. When you have that many foreign nationals invading, you have a big problem. No country can sustain an invasion of millions of people that don't respect its laws and want to recreate their own communities similar to Mexico. So, you no longer have an American community; for all practical purposes it is Mexico. Like I said, we have already decided that we don't want to live in Mexico. Now if you do, go ahead and move there, but don't force it on everybody else.

Just days after praising Arizona's draconian immigration law as a "good tool" and 24 hours after calling on President Obama to immediately "dispatch of 3,000 National Guard troops to our border," John McCain Saturday admitted he's not sure his state's crackdown is even legal. Which means that the man who was for comprehensive immigration reform before he was against before he was for it and then against again now isn't sure what he believes.

I have said before, my grandmother complained of illegal aliens in the 60's, 70's. Reagan tried to fix things in the 80's but nothing has changed. We still have the same problems as ever.

As far as I can tell my children's children will be debating the same thing only it possibly will go back to Italians or Irish immigrants as the problem.

THEIR HANDS ARE COVERED IN BLOOD

"We’ve had numerous officers that have been killed by illegal immigrants in Arizona,” Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu said on a previous Monday, at a Capitol Hill news conference. “And that shouldn’t happen even one time.” he also added “Folks, your cops, your sheriffs cannot do this alone,” Babeu said. “We’re doing our best and we’re overwhelmed. We’re stressed and things are out of control. We need the help of troops that are deployed along the border, additional resources for our border patrol and a zero tolerance policy.” THIS IS THE REASON FEDERAL TROOPS SHOULD BE DEPLOYED TO THE BORDER--TO DEFEND THE SPARSE POPULATION OF TOWNSFOLK, CATTLEMAN AND RANCH OWNERS ALONG THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE BORDER

The cost of the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 to top $1 trillion within the next few months, according to the Congressional Research Service. Yet our politicians will not address the danger to people in the border region, Our politicians scratch around like headless chickens, worrying about costs. The deaths of Robert Kruntz, cattle Rancher-US Border Patrol, Sheriff and deputies who have been murdered along the region has opened a Pandora box. Yet it seems to most people they worry more about people on the other side of the world. Now because their complete disregard for Americans people safety, Arizona has been overrun with drug cartel criminal We have been continuously lied to, but not just from Democrats but Republicans as well about the border fence. If they build the original fence as originally designed by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), instead of worrying about the sensitivities of a corrupt government run by elites.

Any person trying to enter America would be apprehended between the two fences--in the no-mans-land--where they would be arrested. NOT ONE FENCE! BUT TWO FENCES? Before they could even scale the--SECOND--fence, they would already be exhausted from scaling the first fence and the patrolling flying drones or racing Border officer SUV would pick them up immediately. A good investigative report of the current fence--such as it is--comprises of vehicle barriers and rusty relic barbed wire in many sections of the border. In other regions the so-called lawmakers paid millions of dollars for virtual equipment that is malfunctioning and probably received monetary kickbacks for the contracts. For decades voters have reelected the same, tired, incumbent politicians must take the blame for the carnage in Arizona and have now blood on their hands. Send a message by Kicking out Sen. Reid as he tried to destroy the only immigration enforcement tool--E-VERIFY. HE IS ALSO FOR AMNESTY, WHICH WE WILL NEVER LET PASS. Get the facts--not lies and propaganda distributed by the Liberals hiding behind the Democratic facade at NUMBERSUSA.

Leave it to the Authoritarian loving Republiklans in AZ to bring back the same kind of whackjob "laws" that they used to have in Nazi Germany.

Show us your papers, otherwise you could be picked up and "disappeared"!
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-26-2010/law---border

If I'm ever in AZ and I see Boehner, I'm calling the cops.
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6k/SYSiDbi_nAI/AAAAAAAAEmk/cV6XUq1pvvk/s400/john+boehner.jpg
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Only in a god fearing right wing Teabagger state like Arizona can you get pulled over, detained and asked to show your papers if your name is Jesus.

"It is interesting to compare the rallies of the immigration rights protesters to those of the "violent" tea party rallies."

Yeah, I know what you mean. The KKK rally in front of the Dupage Court, a few years back in Wheaton was very, very peaceful too. . .

My point is somehow you associate "peaceful" and "violence" to a particular group. Just because a group is peaceful, it doesn't make them right. I, certainly, do not advocate "violent" protest either. In a free country, people have the right to assemble, peacefully. The civil rights movement was very violent too.

If you believe in the Tea Party movement, good for you! You want to rally? Great! Feel free to assemble, peacefully. Does this mean the rest of the country believe in what the Tea Party stands for? Probably not. Do I believe in the Tea Party principles? Nope! I don't have the same views therefore if I want to criticize them for being knuckle heads, I should be able too. Just as you are able to criticize me, freely here. Because, honestly, I don't really care what you think of me, because you haven't done anything for me. And, I haven't done anything for you. Therefore, we owe each other nothing. . .

"...The United States has been invaded by millions of illegals while are elected leaders of both the Democratic and Republican Parties have done NOTHING to stop it. This is a big mess that threatens the very future of the country. In the meantime some of our leaders are playing their own partisan politics for their own agendas to get reelected. Some oppose any immigration reform to appease some of their constituents and others see the illegals as new future voters for their reelection. Shame on Both Parties for thinking only of themselves and their own selfish agendas and screwing the
country."
Posted by: Depot- Jim | April 27, 2010 12:56 PM

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I agree with you. There should be immigration reform. What do you suggest we do for immigration reform based on the History of America's.

I agree with you. There should be immigration reform. What do you suggest we do for immigration reform based on the History of America's.

Posted by: HmongRodneyKing | April 27, 2010 9:04 PM

Well, you could lead and deport yourself.

Really? We need enforcement. Otherwise, the whole southwest become just like Mexico. Phoenix has Mexican gangs kidnapping children and holding them hostage for ransom, just like Mexico. Maybe the politicians want th US to become as corrupt as Mexico, but believe me YOU DON'T. You want to live in an area where your children get shot in a gang initiation? And before a certain poster says something stupid like, "they are only shooting themselves", I'll tell you that kids get shot in their own bedrooms, riding their bikes home from school and walking down the street with their Father's, and yes they are shot also.

http://www.streetgangs.com/topics/2007/020807gangplan.html

"Street gangs are responsible for the majority of all the murders in Los Angeles and nearly 70% of all the shootings," Villaraigosa said Wednesday at a previously scheduled international summit on gang issues in Universal City. "We must work to address gang violence in a truly comprehensive way."

So, then the gangs move out of LA into the suburbs...into the surrounding communites...and will eventually find you. You have to be living under a rock to not be aware of what is happening in Mexico, where the gangs are beating the Federales. Those that leave Mexico just set up shop in the US and rinse and repeat.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200806161201/homeland-security/mexican-drug-cartels-forming-alliances-with-american-street-gangs.html

Uggh,

People for immigration reform are not necessarily right or left, but those that are protesting this particular bill are on the left.

Trickled ON,

It is current federal law that all non-citiznes be required to have on theri person their green card or other federal documents saying they can be in this country legally.

Rodney King,

So the Tea Party rallies are not "right". What is wrong with them?

"Really? We need enforcement. Otherwise, the whole southwest become just like Mexico. Phoenix has Mexican gangs kidnapping children and holding them hostage for ransom, just like Mexico. Maybe the politicians want th US to become as corrupt as Mexico, but believe me YOU DON'T. You want to live in an area where your children get shot in a gang initiation? And before a certain poster says something stupid like, "they are only shooting themselves", I'll tell you that kids get shot in their own bedrooms, riding their bikes home from school and walking down the street with their Father's, and yes they are shot also.
http://www.streetgangs.com/topics/2007/020807gangplan.html

"Street gangs are responsible for the majority of all the murders in Los Angeles and nearly 70% of all the shootings," Villaraigosa said Wednesday at a previously scheduled international summit on gang issues in Universal City. "We must work to address gang violence in a truly comprehensive way."
So, then the gangs move out of LA into the suburbs...into the surrounding communites...and will eventually find you. You have to be living under a rock to not be aware of what is happening in Mexico, where the gangs are beating the Federales. Those that leave Mexico just set up shop in the US and rinse and repeat.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200806161201/homeland-security/mexican-drug-cartels-forming-alliances-with-american-street-gangs.html"

Posted by: Free to Watch Liberals Tax and Spend | April 27, 2010 9:50 PM

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Be my guest...put your boots on and go patrol the borders if you are really that concern . . .they have plenty of positions available. Good salary too!

"...Well, you could lead and deport yourself."

My friend. Thank you for your concerns. I am glad that you are very concern about me. However, I am happy to tell you that I don't live anywhere near those borders. But if you do live in Arizona, you should be worried. When Mexico boycotts- Arizona will lose 3 billion dollars in trade; cities like San Fran and many others around the country will boycott along with Mexico- Arizona will lose a few billions more; as well as, the 1.3 million Arizonians that are Hispanic descendants that will boycott- yup! A Walmart that is actually empty! I won't believe my eyes either!

Of course, don't take my words for it, just stock up on food because Arizona is going to look like "Planet of the Apes" when the boycott is done.

In matter of fact, I wish this Arizona Law will go into effect for a few years.. .so the Federal Govt can save you all- . .you'll be kissing and begging. At which time, it will declare the law "unconstitutional." If not, I guess you can reap what you sow! And, you'll be in the history book as "Arizona- the land of Dinosaurs- how extinction began."

Having said that, I'm just trying to tell you folks not to shake the hornet's nest. I know it is a passionate convictions on both side- it is unfortunate the Politicians have decided to use immigration as the platform for re-election. There is a better way to approach solving illegal immigrants. A fair, common sense reform law that promote peaceful neighbors to the South. But, if common sense doesn't prevail then, once the Gennie is out of the bottle. . .forget it. It ain't going back inside.

I agree with you. There should be immigration reform. What do you suggest we do for immigration reform based on the History of America's.

Posted by: HmongRodneyKing | April 27, 2010 9:04 PM

To HmongRodneyKing,
There must be some realistic Immigration Reform that both Republicans and Democrats can agree on and be enforced. Although the Arizona law is a very bad piece of legislation that threatens the civil rights of all legal citizens (especially Hispanics who could be singled out) it was passed in desperation by a State that virtually has been invaded from the South and the Federal Government has done very little or nothing to stop it. It would be vitually impossible to round up and deport all the illegals in this
country (estimated at 12 million) as some have advocated. But in a realistic and meaningful reform bill some positive steps can be taken to stop this very serious problem confronting the country.

1) Grant amnesty to all illegals that are currently in the country and do Not have criminal records or are known criminals.
2) After three years and after completion and passing of citizenship exams those people will be granted citizenship. Service in U.S.Military could be basis for granting of citizenship. Granting of citizenship for serving in the military with honorable discharge worked in the Roman Empire and it could also work for the United States.
3) Fortify the American-Mexican Border with enough troops to STOP illegals from entering the country.
4) Federal, State, and Local Governments must enforce All Immigration Laws (NO EXCEPTIONS).
5) Place heavy fines and criminal charges on any businesses caught knowingly employing illegals.
6) Upon enactment of this Immigration Reform Bill the Democratic and Republican Leadership including the President must make a Joint Proclamation calling for its complete enforcement. And at this ceremony there must be No Political Grandstanding for Political Gain.

I know that some out there will say that political amnesty was tried during the Reagan Administration and did not work. Although that is true it should also be noted that the immigration laws in this country were not enforced, some politicians and locals even set up so-called sanctuaries for illegals (just look in our backyard). Politicians caught obstructing justice should be indicted and brought to trial. If that means their eventual impeachment and removal from office, so be. In order for a Immigration Reform Law to work that will benefit the whole country and its citizens, it must Be Enforced. And one benefit of this if it succeeds is that the tax base will be expanded. With citizenship also comes the responsibilities of citizenship and that includes taxes. Unfortunately past Democratic and Republican Administrations have not done this. If we do not pass meaningful and realistic reform these problems will continue to grow and the future of the country as a united group of states could be in jeopardy. As outrageous as my statement sounds it could happen and the country and its citizens will suffer for it. It is time for our elected leaders of both the Democratic and Republican Parties to stop their partisan and silly political games and pass meaningful legislation. If that happens and if it is enforced, all will benefit from it.

The protest over the Arizona law are over the top. How many of you have looked into why such a tough immigration law was enacted to begin with. I will give one example but there are hundreds of other ones just from Arizona. A illegal alien was deported three times back to Mexico in his fourth return he'd raped six young girls before he was caught. Who's really at fault for Arizona new law I would say it would have to be the politicians in DC. Before you liberals start pounding your chest and calling everybody a racist you need to look into why this law came about. In the last few months three Phoenix police officers had been gunned down by Mexican drug runners. Immigration is a vital part of what makes this country great but, allowing illegal immigration at these levels will destroy this country in the long run. And something else for you bleeding heart liberals go look at the Mexican immigration laws and you will see that they are way tougher than anything in the Arizona law.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html#entry_requirements

Go to Entry/Exit Requirement and Crime.

Rodney King,

So the Tea Party rallies are not "right". What is wrong with them? "

Posted by: Terry | April 27, 2010 10:28 PM
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with them. I enjoy watching them on TV- it's very comical. I said that if they want to rally, that's fine with me. It's a free country. I just said that I don't share the same views. Just like you and I barely agree. But sometimes we do. . . ;-)

Be my guest...put your boots on and go patrol the borders if you are really that concern . . .they have plenty of positions available. Good salary too!

Posted by: HmongRodneyKing | April 27, 2010 10:40 PM

Well Minutemen have been doing that, and are called racists for protecting our borders. We have already had immigration reform in 1986-amnesty and in 1996 Clinton signed a bill that again "reformed" our immigration laws, see a pattern here? Laws are passed and NOT enforced. It's government at its best, inefficient and ineffective. Here's a summary of the law that authorized tougher deportation and enforcement something that Arizona is doing and is just enforcing the LAW that CLINTON signed 14 YEARS AGO. IF government had done its job, we wouldn't be having this problem and this discussion, and you can apply that thought to every problem that we have in the economy and the country today. They are problems that the government's failure has created.

Previously, immediate deportation was triggered only for offences that could lead to five years or more in jail. Under the Act, minor offences such as shoplifting, may make an individual eligible for deportation. When IIRIRA was passed in 1996, it was applied retroactively to all those convicted of deportable offenses.

In an effort to curb illegal immigration, Congress voted to double the U.S. Border Patrol to 10,000 agents over five years and mandated the construction of fences at the most heavily trafficked areas of the U.S.-Mexico border. Congress also approved a pilot program to check the immigration status of job applicants.

IIRIRA's mandatory detention provisions have also been repeatedly challenged, with less success.
[edit] Deportation issues

Deportees may be held in jail for months, even as much as two years, before being brought before an immigration board, at which defendants need to pay for their own legal representation. In 2001, the Supreme Court curtailed the Immigration Service's ability to hold deportees indefinitely. (Zadvydas v. Davis)

* The Act has been applied much more vigorously since 9/11. At least 1000 British citizens were affected by the law in 2003.

1) Grant amnesty to all illegals that are currently in the country and do Not have criminal records or are known criminals.

Agreed but you need a probation period to make sure they continue to obey the laws.
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2) After three years and after completion and passing of citizenship exams those people will be granted citizenship.

So, what happens if they cannot pass the test? They remain legal or illegal immigrants?

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3. Service in U.S.Military could be basis for granting of citizenship. Granting of citizenship for serving in the military with honorable discharge worked in the Roman Empire and it could also work for the United States.

Military already has that but the number is so small. Maybe 1,000 a year? If not less. . .

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4) Fortify the American-Mexican Border with enough troops to STOP illegals from entering the country.

It's definitely a deterrent but I don't know how many young men and women would want to join the military so they can patrol the borders. Sounds like a boring job if you are young. It would be a hard sell as a "recruiting" tool. I can't imagine: "Join the Marine and patrol the borders!" would work too well. Plus it's never good to station troops in a free society- we would look exactly like North and South Korea. Yeah, we really set a good example to the rest of the world. Plus, our laws forbid the President to use troops for more than 60 days without declaring war. It would have to fall back on the border patrol under Homeland. We simply just need to hire more but can't afford them. The country is broke fighting two wars- that is why those border patrols were never hired! There is no money!

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5) Federal, State, and Local Governments must enforce All Immigration Laws (NO EXCEPTIONS).

According to the Constitution, that is impossible. Only the Federal govt. have the right to enforce Immigration. You would need to amend the Constitution stating "immigration enforcement" is no longer the duty of the Federal Govt. But, if the Constitution gets amended, the erosion of Federal Power will certainly lead us back to the creation of City States. Meaning, every state will have their own laws- there is no longer a "United States" but "City States." Studying History, we already know what happened to "City States." There will be civil wars and the weaker states will be absorb by their stronger neighboring States. It's the natural path.
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6) Place heavy fines and criminal charges on any businesses caught knowingly employing illegals.

Fines will not deter a business from hiring illegals. Losing your business license is a better deterrent. Setting up a seasonal work permit with limitation is the best route. Meaning, a 6-9 months seasonal pass would work best. They could apply as many time as they want provided that their employer is responsible for them. This would help out with the farm communities and other critical low skilled labor jobs. The Federal govt. already has this program, but it is so poorly run and the quotas are purposely and ridiculously low that it fail to be effective. It is a win-win situation if Mexicans can still come to America to find work but must return to their country at the end of their tour. Anyone found in violation, will lose their permit forever. And, will be place in the "never come" again list.

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7) Upon enactment of this Immigration Reform Bill the Democratic and Republican Leadership including the President must make a Joint Proclamation calling for its complete enforcement. And at this ceremony there must be No Political Grandstanding for Political Gain.

Agreed! But this will never happen. It's politics. . .not a chance this will happen. They rather stir the "hornet's nest."

In conclusion, I just have my doubts that putting more restrictions and controlling the borders are the real solutions. We already know the main reasons why Mexicans are coming to the United States- to seek jobs. This is true because their government is very corrupted. They are govern by the elites. So, they don't want to share their wealth. It's very deceiving when we think Mexico is poor. The elite is less than 10% and controls all the wealth in Mexico.

Having said that, I visited France a few years back. I was totally shocked! Since France was a Eurozone country, it was amazing they didn't have borders will all their neighbors! Not even a border crossing (at least the part I went to). You don't see a million illegal Germans in France or vice-versa! I'm not sure why it works, but my suspicion is that since those countries have similar economies, it didn't really matter where you lived. It is amazing what people can do when they sit down, reason, and find common goals rather than accuse each other of mean-spirited attacks! Of course, America will never be like that. . .but who knows. Perhaps when one day, Americans and Mexicans will get tired of boycotting each others and learn to live more peacefully with each other.

Having said that, I visited France a few years back. I was totally shocked! Since France was a Eurozone country, it was amazing they didn't have borders will all their neighbors! Not even a border crossing (at least the part I went to). You don't see a million illegal Germans in France or vice-versa! I'm not sure why it works, but my suspicion is that since those countries have similar economies, it didn't really matter where you lived. It is amazing what people can do when they sit down, reason, and find common goals rather than accuse each other of mean-spirited attacks! Of course, America will never be like that. . .but who knows. Perhaps when one day, Americans and Mexicans will get tired of boycotting each others and learn to live more peacefully with each other.

Posted by: HmongRodneyKing | April 28, 2010 11:11 PM

France and other European countries have serious problems with immigrants from the Middle East and other areas. It has been estimated that the Muslim population of France could be as high as 20% to 25%. France, like other European countries, have very low birth rates. But the Muslim immigrants, for example have high rates. Historically we could be seeing the complete transformation of the demographics of Europe. This is something that has not occurred since the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the invasions of Germanic tribes in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. This all could be more significant than the increasing Hispanic population in the United States. Unlike Mexicans for example who share many of the same customs and religion as a vast majority of Americans, Muslims have a different culture and religion. And that could cause much more problems than a large Hispanic population who would have a easier time becoming assimilated in the United States, than a large Muslim population in France or other European countries.

"France and other European countries have serious problems with immigrants from the Middle East and other areas. It has been estimated that the Muslim population of France could be as high as 20% to 25%. France, like other European countries, have very low birth rates. But the Muslim immigrants, for example have high rates. Historically we could be seeing the complete transformation of the demographics of Europe. This is something that has not occurred since the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the invasions of Germanic tribes in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. This all could be more significant than the increasing Hispanic population in the United States. Unlike Mexicans for example who share many of the same customs and religion as a vast majority of Americans, Muslims have a different culture and religion. And that could cause much more problems than a large Hispanic population who would have a easier time becoming assimilated in the United States, than a large Muslim population in France or other European countries."

Correct. So, do you mind telling me how the Muslims go to France?