McVeigh Tapes: Lone wolf's last words: The Swamp
The Swamp
Chicago Tribune
Posted April 13, 2010 9:50 AM
The Swamp

by Mark Silva

The people at Homeland Security caught some flak one year ago when the agency issued a warning to law enforcement agencies around the nation.

The agency said it had "no specific information'' that any rightwing terrorists were planning any violence,'' but the agency warned that the atmosphere was ripe for threats -- "the economic downturn and the election of the first African American president'' could,'' combined with anger over illegal immigration and the return of military veterans having trouble "reintegrating into their communities'' all might enhance the recruitment of dangerous organizations or that elusive "lone wolf'' who might wish to do Americans or their leaders harm.

Once word of that report got out last April, the agency was quickly dialing back its wording about veterans, But now the words of one infamous Gulf War veteran and lone-wolf terrorist are in the air again -- and will be on the air Monday, on the anniversary of the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.

With The McVeigh Tapes, a two-hour special, MSNBC will replay some of the final words of Timothy McVeigh, who was executed for the bombing that claimed 168 lives and wounded many more people -- some of these words never publicly heard before and many of them as staggering for their callousness as may be expected.

In this tale, narrator Rachel Maddow warns, is a message about the threats that lone-wolves with an agenda still can pose. This will also be, after all, the anniversary of the fiery conclusion of the 51-day federal siege of the Branch Davidian compound outside Waco, Tex., in 1993 that claimed 76 lives, including that of the militant cult leader, David Koresh. Four federal agents had been killed approaching the compound initially.

McVeigh speaks of avenging Waco with his own assault on Oklahoma City in the tapes that MSNBC will air Monday night.

"This was something that I saw as a larger good, and I know that as I analyzed the history of not just the U.S. but all nations throughout history of mankind, people have killed for that they believed was the greater good, and it's accepted,'' McVeigh is heard to say. "Sometimes killing is accepted...

"From a military perspective, to get a message across, you need to hurt them where they hurt the most,'' he explained of his target. "The only way they're gonna feel something, the only way they're gonna get the message is quote with 'a body count.''

He spoke coldly of the material costs of his operation: "The truck rental -- $250. The fertilizer was about... it was either $250 or $500. The nitro methane was the big cost. It was like $1,500. Actually, lemme see, 900, 2,700,... we're talking $3,500 there... Lets round it up. I just gave you the major expenses, so go to like five grand... what's five grand?"

McVeigh called "Oklahoma City.... a counter attack, I was only fighting by the rules of engagement that were introduced by the aggressor,'' he said. "Waco started this war, hopefully Oklahoma will end it."

That's not likely, which, as Homeland Security suggested a year ago and as Maddow's narrative will explain on this gruesome anniversary, is the problem.

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McVeigh's words are strikingly similar to the words we hear today from the radical right. The philosophy is the same: we have the right to defend ourselves against a government we see as threatening.. ....

http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/04/27/radical-fanatics-are-a-threat-to-americas-safety/


Nope, pseudo-liberal progressives like Rachel Maddow don't engage in fear mongering. It never happens. That is something that only irrational, radical right-wingers would do.
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Thank goodness for such unbiased reporting from CNBC. Keeping up with its tradition of telling it straight. Way to go, Rachel!


Shame, shame, shame! Here again, the Corrupt Lamestream Media and Jerks on the Left look to demean those who fought and defended their right to be corrupt and jerks. Here again, military heroes are lumped in with one Timothy McVeigh. Fifteen years later we get these tapes? And hosted by Rachel Madcow? On MSNBC, perhaps the most anti-American outlet on TV?
Anyway, let's take a look at acts of violence in the past year: Loons flies plane into Austin, Texas building: Anti-American Lefty Loon. Man shoots and kills 15 U.S. military personnel: Islamic terrorist. Flag burning and vandalism in DC: Anti-war left wing loons. Admitted Obama lover and professor Amy Bishop shoots and kills coworkers. Environmental leftists loons burn down Hummer dealerships, ski resorts and anything else they do not like.
The list continues of acts of violence by the Left:

2008

March 11, 2008 Code Pink continues to harass Marines by camping out in the street CA – Berkeley

March 06, 2008 Suspected anti-war insurgent bombs Armed Services Recruiting Center in Times Square NY – New York

February 27, 2008 FBI investigating FOUR pipe bombs or ‘hoax’ bombs found at recruiting stations OR – Portland

February 22, 2008 Recruiting centers attacked multiple times, windows broken with 40 pound rocks MN – Minneapolis

February 21, 2008 New SDS group storm a downtown DC Recruiting station

February 18, 2008 Protesters attempt to rally and attempt civil disobedience but chicken out CA – Santa Monica

February 15, 2008 Protesters invade and trash a recruiting station in Washington DC

February 15, 2008 Several anti-war groups shut down Recruiting Station in Harlem – love to “report” on each other NY – Harlem

February 12, 2008 Berkeley City Council refuses to apologize to Marines CA – Berkeley

February 01, 2008 City Council approves special sound and assembly permits for anti-war activists Code Pink CA – Berkeley

January 01, 2008 Damages to recruiting office total about $1,000 TX – Beaumont

2007

December 20, 2007 Vandals spray paint “war on terror? war is terror” TN – Murfreesboro

November 30, 2007 A 15-year old becomes a ‘badass’ and a hero when she encouraged 13 people to get arrested VT – Jericho

October 17, 2007 Pro-Troop forces strike back as Code Pink continues to protest USMC Recruiting Center CA – Berkeley

October 04, 2007 Code Pink anti-war activists vandalize recruiting center and call Marines ‘traitors’ CA – Berkeley

September 08, 2007 Protesters of the NYC War Resisters League block main entrance to Times Square recruiting station NY – New York

August 21, 2007 Disgruntled 68 year old man leaves fake bomb packages at recruiting center CT – Stamford

August 15, 2007 Moonbats set fire to Armed Forces Recruiting Station, burn the whole place down NC – Asheville

July 24, 2007 Far left radicals comment on news story about recruiters being shot at with pellet guns. TX – Lufkin

July 10, 2007 A self-described ‘CELL’ of a communist AND anarchist network of groups trash a recruiting office MD – Rockville

June 30, 2007 19 year old man goes on mad-tires-slashing spree, causes $4,200 in damage to government vehicles WA – Silverdale

April 11, 2007 Several protesters try to photograph and intimidate police at a recruiting station – several arrests PA – Ellsworth

April 05, 2007 Protesters attack Marine recruiting station that ONLY recruits officers splatter paint and… PA – Pittsburgh

March 24, 2007 More explosives or suspicious devices found at Marine Corps recruiting stations. OR – Salem

March 22, 2007 Mix of lefties and patriots arguing about the 21 people arrested for disorderly conduct days …. WI – Milwaukee

March 20, 2007 Police arrest 21 vandals who broke windows and vandalized a recruiting center in Wisconsin WI – Milwaukee

March 20, 2007 Group of 21 protesters break windows, throw smoke bombs and apparently spread ‘human excrement’!!! WI – Milwaukee

February 09, 2007 Protesters using the name “Surge Protection Brigade” block entry to recruiting stations. KS – Lawrence

January 17, 2007 Two recruiter’s cars have tires slashed by anti-war activists who also wrote slurs such as “murderer” OH – Athens

2006

December 29, 2006 Someone wrote “troops out now” in green and black spray paint on the exterior of the building at … WI – Wausau

December 16, 2006 Police charged five protesters on Friday during the second demonstration in a month outside the new NC – Chapel Hill

September 26, 2006 Police fail to follow up on reports of vandalism, suggests disinterested attitude. MD – Silver Spring

August 11, 2006 Homemade bomb left at recruiting office MO – St. Louis

April 27, 2006 Two ROTC Buildings are vandalized on two separate campuses, 5 gallon buckets of “blood” (paint) NC – Raleigh / Durham

April 27, 2006 UNC-CH Students deface ROTC Armory with paint and spray-painted messages NC – Chapel Hill

March 28, 2006 Anti-War protester talks about breaking windows WI – Madison

March 23, 2006 Two military recruiting centers are vandalized and spray-painted all over the windows. NC – Raleigh / Durham

2005

October 16, 2005 Man throws a rock through recruiting center window and spray-paints anarchy symbols, is later charge WA – Spokane

July 27, 2005 MOLOTOV COCKTAIL thrown through the window of a recruiting center NY – Vestal

May 19, 2005 Hoodlums break the window of one recruiters vehicle and shoot a the window of another with a firearm SC – IRMO

April 29, 2005 Recruiting center SHOT UP by angry anti-military activists. Local paper calls it…“vandalized by CO – Denver

March 18, 2005 Four incidents of vandalism at Army Recruiting Stations in a short span of time MO – Joplin

February 25, 2005 Someone busted a window and spray-painted graffiti on the Armed Forces Recruiting Center PA – Harrisonburg

February 05, 2005 Recruiters find broken windows at Army and Navy recruiting center. NJ – Orange

February 04, 2005 Mob of Seattle Central Community College students chased military recruiters off campus WA – Seattle

February 01, 2005 Group called “War is SH*T” spray-paint symbol of Anarchy, smash windows and throw buckets of FECES OH – Toledo

February 01, 2005 Army recruiters attacked, burning rubble thrown at recruiting centers NY – NYC (Bronx and Manhattan)

2004

December 08, 2004 Protesters spray paint SWASTIKAS at recruiting station WI – Milwaukee

December 08, 2004 Protesters set at least 10 cars of Marine Recruiters ON FIRE in several areas near DC DC – Washington, DC

October 14, 2004 Recruiter’s office broken into, vandalized, graphitized, and two vehicles set on fire. CA – San Jose

June 15, 2004 Protesters splatter their own REAL blood at recruiting center, drip blood on US Flag! NY – Ithaca

2003

November 08, 2003 Burglars stole seven laptops and equipment valued at over $10,500 FL – Jacksonville

June 18, 2003 Protesters cause over $3000 in damage smashing windows at recruiting center WI – Milwaukee

March 28, 2003 Vandalism and Nazi propaganda at Santa Fe college and Albuquerque recruiting center NM – Albuquerque


March 16, 2003 Recruiting office found with 5,000-10,000 in damage to windows shattered.

This website has more violent acts by our "dear" friends on the Left:
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/left-continues-to-be-source-of-actual-acts-of-violence/
And, of course, anytime there is a G-20 meeting, LEFTISTS vandalize and trash the city it is held in.
Meanwhile, NOT ONE arrest has ever been made at a Tea Party rally of a member of the Tea Party movement.
Yet, folks like Silva demean our brave men and women in the military with suggestion and innuendo. Shameful, shameful. And, of course, I wouldn't doubt that the shameful Chicago Tribune Swamp censors will do their usual thing. Facts are the enemy of the Left and more Americans are waking up to that fact.


Duh !! We don't need no stinking McVeigh tapes to inform us, that there are those, who wish America and its elected officials, ill !! We have billionaire, radical, American conservatives, throwing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of oil onto America's fracture electorate, inflaming the disenchanted, disappointed and the disturbed. They hope to foment a reactionary response to America's honest attempt at living up to its democratic principles, with liberty and justice for all. They hide behind " Old Glory ", while they inject their fascist philosophy, in their silly rhetoric, to those who are vulnerable to false promises and false patriotism. I think we, Americans, have had enough of such hypocrisy, that is why Bush&Cheney, and their stepchildren, Palin and McCain, were soundly rejected. America, ever vigilant against malcontents and anti-American politics, will always fight for the least among us, for those citizens that have been denied many of the necessities in their " ..pursuit of happiness ", from good jobs, good healthcare, good schools and good leadership in our elected officials. Come on, America, let it be known that we are tired of wealthy Individuals and Corporations that deny us our constitutional rights to, ".. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ". Examples of what I have in mind are the Toyota Corporation and its premeditated attempt to mislead, fool and insult the American consumer for years, with many deaths involved. The other is the dastardly attitude of some mine-owners that have resulted in untoward deaths, illness and disrespect of the mine workers and their families. Theses are just two, quick, present examples, representative of a comprehensive disrespect that Corporate America has shown its workers. These attitudes are no accidents, it is a strategy of the bosses to harass, infuriate and dispirit the American worker, hoping that they will tire of demanding respect and a fair wage. That day will never happened. Workers are entitled to the same opportunities, to realize their dreams, not to be slaves to someone else's ambitions !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.


John D says "NOT ONE arrest has ever been made at a Tea Party rally of a member of the Tea Party movement".

Really? Try googling "Tea Party arrests" sometime.

John D, the article is about the mass murders at Oklahoma City and Waco and in response you throw up some right-wing laundry list of civil disobedience against military offices, most of them involving spray-paint. Yeah, good comparison.

The cases of mass murder involved extreme, paranoid anti-US government, militant fanatics. No one is saying that the Tea Party movement is comprised of such people - that's just you being defensive. What is being said is that the climate in this country is ripe for these lone-wolf types to strike. Just look at the ring that was just broken up - they were planning to to kill police officers. These crazies are nuts to begin with, but they probably find some incitement in the angry, hate-filled, anti-government rhetoric coming out of the far right-wing loons on talk radio, Fox News and yes, the Tea Party.


There really is No difference between the extremes on the Far Left and Right. They both will do anything to achieve their goals and that also includes violence. It is not surprising the Left Wing Night on MSNBC is going after only the loons on the Far Extreme Right and as usual ignoring those Crazies on the Extreme Left who will have used the same violent tactics to achieve their goals. Our President is even friends with one of those crazies, Bill Ayers.


To Don Fitzgerald your daily Left Wing rants against America, Capitalism, Republicans and Libertarians ( I am surprised you have not added Independents and Moderate Democrats to your list of bad people) is sounding familiar. Some of Don's rants appear to be coming out of Karl Marx's THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO in which Marx states "the History of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." It seems that Don Fitzgerald does not like Capitalism and the Free Enterprise System and wants to replace it with Socialism. Don, do you want to replace Capitalism with Socialism? And in turn would your Socialist Society lead to a stateless, classless society called pure Communism? This would only emerge only after a transitional period called the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat": a period sometime called the "worker state." or "workers democracy." And in Don Fitzgerald's World who would supply the means of production, the State or Private Companies? Communism has not worked in Russia or even China where they are turning more capitalist. Yes, there needs to be financial reforms. But a Socialistic or Communistic State as some of you on the Far Left are proposing will never work. And if that State does emerge as some of you on the Extreme Left (not True Liberals) seem to want Freedoms (including being able to post on sites like this) and a Lifestyle that we as Americans take for granted will be gone forever.


JOHN D Speaks! YOU LIE! YOU LIE! Rachel! YOU LIE! MSNBC! Just not FOX! Just not George Bush! Just not Dick Cheney! YOU LIE! YOU LIE! MSNBC! Just not Fox Entertainment for the Elderly! Don't touch that dial! We're here! We're there! We're everywhere fake, propaganda entertainment! Think 3/5th! Think 3/5 our "Founding Fathers" never wanted to end slavery! MSNBC did! It's our "mein kempf" unto you! Just listen! Just read! Just send $6.00 to the Glenn Beck 3/5th for you! He's a marxist, communist, socialist too! Just send $6.00! I'm the 32,000,000,000 pancreatic 12 step man! It's our GOP Theft by Deception Axis of Evil doers! YOU LIE MSNBC! YOU LIE CNN! Just not us! Just not Glenn! Just not Hannity! Just not Bill! Drink the TEA! Send $6.00! Have a PAR-TAY! Tim Tim he was our guy! Beck, Beck he our man! If Beck can't do it JOHN D can! It's the TEA PARTY McVeigh Party! Radical, extreme, political opposition to the people that don't think like them "REGIME."


The GOP and the neo-cons have made hate and bigotry fashionable. Now they're taking aim at the immigrants.
Sound familiar ? Germany in the 1930's revisited.
Unless you are native American tribal person, then you arrived here via immigrants.
I am grateful that these hate mongers who want to wage wars against other Americans are being monitored, and it's important for all decent people to stand up against their
" message " and to out their leaders for inciting violence.
If we fail to do this, history will repeat itself.



writer of wrongs, you're writing wrong again.

Even the Native Americans are the descendants of immigrants. Humanity did not rise in North America; the Native Americans came here after the last Ice Age, likely through Siberia and down the West Coast. In Canada, they recognize this by calling the American aborigines "First Nations" or "First Settlers."

Anybody who was born here is as much a Native American as is any American Indian.


Mike, what exactly am I suppose to find? The arrest warrant for some alleged Tea Party candidate in Nevada, of whom no one in the Tea Party in Nevada had heard of before he filed to run for the Senate in that state? The arrest of CNBC reporter Rick Santelli by the EPA police? I did find the arrest of a woman pastor for standing in the middle of a busy street. Then it looks like Nancy Peloony had some Tea Party folks arrested who were basically doing nothing but being in her way.
It seems just about EVERY story about arrests made at Tea Party rallies were from your ilk, Loons on the Left who appeared at the rallies to cause trouble.


daveb:

writer of wrongs, you're writing wrong again.

Even the Native Americans are the descendants of immigrants. Humanity did not rise in North America; the Native Americans came here after the last Ice Age, likely through Siberia and down the West Coast. In Canada, they recognize this by calling the American aborigines "First Nations" or "First Settlers."

Anybody who was born here is as much a Native American as is any American Indian.

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major league S T R E T C H !

for your edification, the ice age occured prior to 1776 AD

Does that date mean anything to you?


depot-jim:
(snipped)
Some of Don's rants appear to be coming out of Karl Marx's THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO in which Marx states "the History of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." It seems that Don Fitzgerald does not like Capitalism and the Free Enterprise System and wants to replace it with Socialism. Don, do you want to replace Capitalism with Socialism?

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thats right, you tell 'em, and while you are busy bestowing the virtues of capitalism, take a moment to remember the families of the 29 miners from the Massey Co. in W. Virginia who gave their lives for their capitalist bosses and corporate profits.
Profits over people ! NOT


Glad McVeigh was executed, he certainly deserved it. I don't care if he was a right wing or left wing radical. Most of the victims blown up by this loser were middle class working people and children.
As for this goofy John D. person, Obama is driving him nuts.
And in case you folks don't realize, just about all of these militias are under surveillence. Many more have been infiltrated by the feds.


So, you want to paint current anti big government groups like the tea party with Timothy McVeigh's actions?

Using your "logic", liberals can then accept the actions of their government when it murdered Seventy-six people including more than 20 children, and two pregnant women.

In fact your elected officials conspired to murder and used government employees. That makes you much more dangerous than a lone extremist.


So, you want to paint current anti big government groups like the tea party with Timothy McVeigh's actions?
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Posted by: Free to Watch Liberals Meltdown

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the teabaggers have not discouraged nor distanced themselves from the hate mongers, nutcases, birthers, deathers, and other assorted
rightwing fringe groups.
the GOP hasen't discouraged them, either.
" my enemies enemy is my friend "
This is why mainstream Americans want no part of the baggers.


The only difference between Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh is that only one of them knew how to make the bomb explode.

The left never uses violence to further its cause - do you loons remember the 60's? The Weather Underground of the aforemention Mr. Ayers, the Black Panthers led by now Congressman Bobby Rush,

Wasn't the cause of the left in the 60's against an intrusive big gov't? Remember the CSN lyric "Rules and Regulations who needs them"? Now these same people that used to sing along with that song and protest the gov't want that same gov't to run our everyday lives.

How about the violence of the labor unions in this country?

The danger here is to use the actions of a few to paint with the broad brush. If you live in a glass house, better put down the rocks (unless you throw like Obama, then you won't hurt anyone).


Come Thursday you will be seeing Taxed Enough Already Rallies from around the country. To warn you, there are some leftists that are vowing to infiltrate and be loony and try to to get camera times so they portray the tax protestors as goofs and not hard-working Americans that are over-taxed.

Watch the PMSNBC coverage of this.


Wrong All the Time, most people oppose ILLLEGAL immigration, you comprende? An invasion of millions of foreign nationals is NOT legal immigration.


I've been taxed enough already all these years.


Bill Gates, Warren B.--they haven't been taxed enough.

Warren has even admitted it.


terry:
The true hardworking Americans will be unable to attend the 'bagger rallies OOOPS I mean " tax protest"
rallies due to the fact that they cannot afford to take a day off from their jobs.
Those are the real hard working Americans, FYI and they vote, too.
Enjoy your media event.


Still Writing Wrong,

I plan to enjoy the day. I wish you a very happy high holy day tomorrow since this is the liberals biggest holiday - when they take the money from the producers.

Ornery,

If Warren doesn't believe he is taxed amount he can take less deductions or just write a check to the U.S. Treasury - they will cash it.

As for Mr. Buffet's arguement that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, he is being less than honest. HIs capital gains and dividends are taxed at 15%. However, those capital gains have already been taxed at 35% at the corporate level - so the effective tax rate is just under 50%.

If you would stop into the economics department in that fine university in your neighborhood, you would learn than that.


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