Calderon rips Ariz. immigration bill

Hey Calderon: why don't you stay home and get rid of the corruption in your own government? Then you can fix your economy so that millions of your people don't come into my country illegally to get a job.

How about we take the exact text of the Mexican immigration policy and implement it here?

Someone should ask Calderon what happens to those who enter Mexico illegally ? I'm sure they are welcomed with open arms (NOT) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't Calderon responsible for the drug war going on now, more than any other individual?

Didn't he crank up the drug interdiction in an effort to shake off the perception that he "stole" the election (in the "Bush v Gore" sense)?

And his "drug campaign" backfired because the incredible American demand for drugs overpowers everything in its way?

The way the Katrina storm surge overpowers a poorly designed levee?

AZ Republic says the New Racial Profiling Law, that was Passed by Arizona Republicans, is NOT about the Borders

The Arizona Republic (a right wing leaning newspaper) shows us just how full of crap this right wing meme is and pokes a plethora of holes in the "it's all about the borders" Republican way of thinking

"Uniform Crime Reports and statistics provided by police agencies, in fact, show that the crime rates in Nogales, Douglas, Yuma and other Arizona border towns have remained essentially flat for the past decade, even as drug-related violence has spiraled out of control on the other side of the international line. Statewide, rates of violent crime also are down. Cochise County's crime rate has been "flat" for at least 10 years, the sheriff added. Even in 2000, when record numbers of undocumented immigrants were detained in the area, just 4 percent of the area's violent crimes were committed by illegal aliens."
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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html
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The Repug Party of Fear has no real solutions to offer; which is the pitfall of retrogressive thinking. It's an incapacity to offer new ideas.

So what does one do with an empty toolbox? Use the toolbox itself to bash heads, or use the threat of bashing heads, instilling the politics of fear, which if unreasoned, unfounded, anti-humanitarian though it is, is still nonetheless effective upon the masses.

The Facts (our borders are secure) do not faze the Retro-Cons. They aren't interested in truth, or progress, or hard work yielding justice for minority populations. They are interested only in maintaining authority and power and wealth for the privileged few white people (Wall Street, Big Oil etc etc etc).

The Repug leadership is not interested in policy; they are interested in slogans and sound bites that fool their low IQ base rubes (Teabaggers) into voting against their own interests time and time again.

We don't need some leader from a corrupt Third World nation that mistreats its own illegal immigrants telling us what to do. If Mr. Calderon spent more time fixing problems in his own country rather than lecturing us, maybe his citizens would be less eager to move here.

I am not a fan of the Arizona law, but Calderon has a lot of nerve. I've heard horror stories about how they treat illegal immigrants enter Mexico from Central America.

Hey 'BC'... your comments against Mexico are just as valid when aimed at the US. How ironic.

Just what we need: the Mexican and American presidents joining together to condemn a democratically elected American governmental unit for exercising its right of self defense. It would be nice to again have a president who defended his country's citizens. By the way, has Obama even read the 10-page AZ law yet, unlike his cabinet members?

Let Calderon do away with the drug trade, corruption, lack of opportunity in Mexico before this doofus lectures us. Mexico would not let its sovereignty be violated!

Seems Calderon is as intellectually challenged as a lot of reporters and democrats.
No one is against immigration,
we're against ILLEGAL immigration.
So, can we now move down to Mexico and live without paying taxes, will they educate our children for free, give us free food, housing etc. etc.
What amazing is the "bower in chief" didn't say a thing. Quite a leader obama is, another country is upset that we might want to enforce our immigration laws and this weakling does nothing. Whatever happened to "yes we can".
Time to round up all ILLEGALS, or maybe we should send Calderon a bill for his "citizens". Or will this be a "wetback bailout" costing this country another trillion.
Another pathetic display by obama.
And it's not just the Mexicans, go after the illegal Irish, Polish, Arab, Italians etc.
It's very simple - anyone hiring or sheltering illegals will have their business or house or car confiscated, which will then be liquidated with the proceeds to hire more border guard and build more defenses.
Very similiar to the drug laws.

How dare he lecture us, when it is his corrupt government and lack of jobs that drives his people out! What a coward!

HHH: Are you kidding? Is there a left wing liberal anywhere that can understand anything that doesn't have to do with "those right wing conservation rubes?" The Arizona law does nothing to LEGAL immigrants except make them show their LEGAL documents if they are asked. How can someone who is here ILLEGALLY be discriminated against? If they are ILLEGAL they don't have rights beyond basic human rights, other than that we should kick them out. And where on earth do you get the idea that our borders are secure? I personally have a family member that works as border patrol, these people would and have literally killed to get in this country, I don't call that secure.

Mexico's border cities are more hazardous than Baghdad or Kabul. Tell this clown to clean up his own house and maybe his citizens wouldn't run in droves for the border.

It has taken less than 2 years for people to realize all the true change Obama's promises
are. The main difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans believe people should be responsible for their own actions; Democrats believe most people will not act responsibly, so it is government's duty to enact and enforce laws that will force them to be responsible.

We are a nation of laws. There are laws on the books and a bureaucracy in place to manage immigration. Why can't Obama and Calderon acknowledge and laws are being broken and ask for leadership in upholding the existing laws?

the United States is a generous nation, but there are limits to our resources and what we should provide. If undocumented workers provide services at wages below an acceptable level, fine the employers. Ship the undocumented workers back to Mexico. They will have time to protest against Calderon and his policies. Don't come to the U.S. and try to change our policies.

And for all the people who will complain that we need these low-paying jobs, the answer is "no we do not." If people who can afford landscaping, for example, find out it will cost them twice as much to get service because legally documented workers earning a decent wage have to be hired, than so be it. We can't have it both ways.

HHH you spew the same old indefensible gas. When you start on IQ's we know where your argument is going, nowhere. The law is working already, the mirror of the US law that won't be defended. The AZ cannot be not enforced. This is where you go wrong, and I have utter certainty that you, like Holder, has not read word one of the law. I have. Go live in beautiful and free old Mexico if you can't stand a society of laws like here. Calderon will welcome another mouth to feed, I am quite sure. Maybe not, huh?

Posted by: HHH | May 19, 2010 1:29 PM ,.....is HHH stands for: Hate, Hate, Hate???

God, what a president! Obama continues to shamelessly bow to foreign leaders and apologize for his own country and the laws the people have passed here. All illegal aliens should be deported. Period.

Did he have his papers in order - oh never mind, he did not stop in Arizona. .......

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/05/01/legalmexican-disguises-to-avoid-arrest/

Just another illegal upset about having laws to obey.

Of course he doesn't agree with the laws. He is stuck with those poor Mexicans and all the hoodlums.

I wonder if HHH read the law instead of relying on a newspaper article no matter which way it leans. Probably not--but then no one in the Obama administration has either. And it is only 12 pages long.

What the heck?

Maybe the US should adopt Mexico's immigration policy.

Maybe el- Presidente' ought to STFU and fix the policies in his own country to entice his people to stay home, instead of them illegally entering our country.

Absurd.

Mexican President lectures about border laws, let alone treatment of citizens. Laws, he has never seen a law that corruption couldn't overcome.

Presidente Calderon, your people are in need of jobs, education, law enforcement, border "reform," and just about everything else. Please, give me a break. You don't care enough to make a difference in your own country.

This is just like illegal aliens coming here and protesting. It's ridiculous. Why not protest conditions in Mexico? Because you'll be kidnapped and never heard from again by federal troops.

http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/columns/Bune/phoenix_pd_fights_kidnapping_invasion.html

The crimes are not on the border, they drive right by the border to Phoenix. It's about 160 miles. You can read what happens in Phoenix in the link above. Kidnapping, torture, home invasions, rape...Tucson is only about 60 miles from the border.

But since Federal Law states that it is a CRIME to be in the US without proper documentation. It is a CRIME to cross the border and stay in the US without immigration papers. That's the reason for the AZ law. It just enforces the federal law.

HHH,

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

I'd give up the slogan, but profoundly ignorant and delusional people like you continually make it relevant.

To HHH:"The Facts (our borders are secure) do not faze the Retro-Cons."

If the borders are secure, how do all of the illegals get in?

The Mexican president does not like the Arizona laws because he is afraid that more illegals will get shipped back to his country. If his country was run properly, so many people would not be trying to get out.

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Blah Blah Blah....I see Bobbys Mommy and her multiple sock puppets are on here crying again.

In an act of utter irony, Arizona has enacted the same style of Napoleonic Law that exists in the country they're trying to keep people from fleeing.

"Guilty until proven innocent" is how they do it in many Latin American countries. So AZ is now properly part of Latin America, judicially speaking and so we should treat their residents trying to leave that State and enter others as illegal immigrants.

We should push for a federal law that allows for any uptight, pinch faced, sunbaked, wrinkly doughy white Teabbagers, who vote Republican in lockstep, to be held under suspicion of being from a State that does not practice due process and have them deported to Somalia.

Both Texas and AZ behave like 3rd world countries, perhaps we can give them back to Mexico?

If you actually believed any of the crap that you're spewing on here you wouldn't have to resort to spamming this thread with multiple sock puppets, Bobbys Mommy.

By the way, how can you criticize something you know absolutely nothing about? Holder hasn't read the law, Napalitano, hasn't either. Do these people know how to read?

Have they read the Constitution? or anything that has to do with law in the US?

They're not only an embarassment; they're dangerous.

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But since Federal Law states that it is a CRIME to be in the US without proper documentation. It is a CRIME to cross the border and stay in the US without immigration papers. That's the reason for the AZ law. It just enforces the federal law.

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Crying Teabagger,

The Arizona law is a STATE LAW.

There's no federal law that legalizes racial profiling and the law that Arizona Republicans just passed is - racial profiling.

Try again, Biff...

Look who is calling the kettle black. Look at your own Immigration Bill you idiot president of mexico. It is far more restrictive than Arizona's or the U.S.'s. Go back where you came from and take your citzens with you. We don't want them here! They are a blight on our country!

Close the border, ship'em all home where they belong, stop foriegn aid to mexico, and boycott everything made in that country!

OF COURSE Mexico doesn't like Arizona's new law. It's not the college educated workers sneaking across the border. No, it's not skilled tradesmen Mexico is losing either. I wish there was a country nearby that would take half the population of the City of Chicago, give them Section 8 housing, food stamps, free education and healthcare, jobs with affirmative action promotions, etc. Oh wait, they get that here. No wonder they are all coming over.

What a hypocrite. Before last year, when Mexican immigration law was amended, the penalties for entering Mexico illegally ranged from fines to imprisonment for up to two years, followed by deportation. The law now allows for fines up to 5700 pesos (roughly $470), and a $400 fine for overstaying on a visa. Why does he not be honest. But it seems both Garry and Calderon are LIARS.

Hey Calderon! Chinga tu Madre! Your country is like a dingle berry on the ball sack of the United States. F.Y.I, your country deports more illegals then the United States.

Why do we care?! If he was taking care of HIS people in HIS country we wouldn't have this problem!

Living in AZ I just loved the comment that the Arizona Republic is right leaning. What are you smoking, dude? The AZ law is nothing more than a mirror of the unenforced federal law. Ofailure and his radical left wing nation destroyers continue an unbroken string of incompetence that is truly historic. Mexicans act in open defiance of our laws and the idiot in the White House pukes out support. Time for some real change.

I think its about time the slobs in AZ look for other scapegoats to solve their problems.

BOYCOTT AZ!!!

We have a President that is always apologizing for the country he represents - it is obnoxious! Who cares what the crazy President of Mexico thinks? The people are here ILLEGALY - what part of that do they not understand? We are sick and tired of paying for them!!! GO BACK TO MEXICO!!
oh gag and now a big expensive state dinner with beyonce while the rest of us eat beans!

"Hey Calderon: why don't you stay home and get rid of the corruption in your own government?"
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He was invited, you moron!

Mexican President Felipe Calderon publicly Insulted President Obama and the United States today at the White House. Calderon, who cannot control his own country and the bloody drug wars that are going on has a lot of nerve to insult s over the Arizona Law which Never would even have been considered if the Federal Government was doing its job of protecting the borders and preventing the massive waves of illegal immigrants that have flooded in to our country. It is amazing that there are some on these posts, and that includes HHH and Don Fitzgerald, support such insults of the country and continue to blame Republicans for all the country ills with their highly partisan and ignorant rants. In fact some of their rants are so goofy that most Democrats would be ashamed that these two try to speak for the Party.

So many uninformed mouthbreathing Wingnuts (most of "them" on here are one person - Bobby Mobbie),...so much stupidity

Hey Wingnuts!
Your ancestors were no better than the Illegals today- probably worse Your ancestors came over here as "illegals". They came as intruders. They killed the Indians, took their land, hunted them down, and sent them off to the Reservations. Then, during the Mexican War, they killed the Mexicans, hunted them down, and then took their land away. Then, they offer the Mexicans who lived in the North America the right to stay, provided they sold their land away (meaning they needed to pay a lawyer to do paperwork but nobody could afford them so they lost their land). To make sure that European Descendants quickly populated the land that was recently cleared of Indians and Mexicans, they created Ellis Island. That would be the ancestor that you "so highly" praised over the Illegal Immigrants.

Again, Republicanism is a mental illness.

I live in Mexico and you are right. I am Mexican. Here immigrants are treated worse. I have seen how they are picked up. Here you cannot buy a bus ticket to go to another city without an ID . (proof you are not there illegally) Yes President Calderon is a hypocrite when he criticizes the US. This country is controlled by those with money. Politicians and politician's friends. There is a saying here . If you don't rob you don't go anywhere in life. I call on you Mexican Americans that boycott Arizona, boycott Calderon. We have a very bad way of blaming others for our problems.

The reason HHH is so confused is that understanding the law sometimes requires a 2-step process, and that is just too hard for his brain.

For example, in the United States Code, Title 8.1373, (passed in 1993, by a DEMOCRAT controlled Congress and signed by a DEMOCRAT president) Legal Aliens must carry documentation, and no government may prohibit the federal government from enforcing its immigration laws.

The Arizona law in question allows state and local law enforcement officers to obey Title 8.1373 of the US Code.

Liberals are unable to tolerate laws that don't get them what they want. This is beyond their mental capacity, as evidenced by HHH.

What is really funny is that liberals like HHH have no problem with saying Blacks and Hispanics are not smart enough to get into college on their own, so white folk have to rig the grades for us. Then they segregate Black and Hispanics with our own programs, and our own dorms and student unions and our own graduation ceremonies, so we could go months without ever seeing white folk. And those that do everything they can do to segregate us then scream like banshees when some dares suggest that skin color may not be that important.

Ain't is great, what Brown v Board of Education has provided for us?

Send Calderon and Obama back to Mexico!

At Ellis Island, people were screened for disease. Hey Poppy Calderone and Puppet Obama, you screened the illegals, si? No TB, no parasites, smallpox, measles, HIV? si?

The only low IQ rubes in the swamp are HH, rogermorris and don f. First they can't tell the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. Then they don't know how to read. Lastly, they couldn't comprehend what they read.
Either all 3 were dropouts or are public employees.

Are there no real men left in Mexico? Or have they all been killed by drug dealers, police and government or fled North?

We should treat the freedom loving and kind people of Mexico, including their panhandling President the same way they treat illegal aliens entering Mexico from Central America. In other words with murder, rape, robbery and abuse. Ask Amnesty International.

Or we can treat them like they treat the Indians in Southern Mexico. Genocide, murder, rape , robbery and abuse.Ask Amnesty International.

We should treat Mexican protestors in this country the same way American protestors would be treated in Mexico where public protests and demonstrations by foreigners are a criminal offense. Arrest and deport them. By the way, Mexico deports more illegal aliens then the US does.

The political establishment in the US has handcuffed us to a rotting Mexican corpse for their personal profit. How many hundreds of billions have we given Mexico in the last 35 years? Remember our bailout of the Mexican banks in the 1980's? How many Mexican battalions are in Afghanistan with our soldiers? How many Mexican battalions served in Iraq I or II? How many in Vietnam. How many Mexican battalions landed on Omaha beach? Yeah, that's a real country. Sure. So is Afghanistan.

Why do we care what the government of a corrupt, failed, narco-state think?
Mexico for the Mexicans. Stay home and fix Mexico.

There's no federal law that legalizes racial profiling and the law that Arizona Republicans just passed is - racial profiling.

Try again, Biff...

Posted by: HHH | May 19, 2010 4:14 PM

That's about the dumbest thing you've said. And, that post has plenty of competition from every other thing that you copy and paste from the communist propaganda site the Daily Kos.

Go ahead, read the law. If it was about racial profiling, the law wouldn't last 10 minutes. The police aren't going to be stopping people to ask for papers. If you commit a crime and can't show ID after either arrest or being pulled over, then you are reported to ICE (do you know what ICE is?) By the way if you are pulled over and stopped, as an American citizen, you are required to show ID; just FYI.

IN CONTRAST: San Francisco, Los Angeles and other sanctuary cities won't even inquire about violent gangmembers immigration status. Suspected and even convicted MURDERS are allowed to stay here without documentation. San Francisco allowed this to happen resulting in this:

Widow Wants San Francisco Sanctuary Law Changed After Illegal Charged With Murder

A San Francisco woman whose husband and two sons were gunned down last month — allegedly by an illegal immigrant who remained in the city despite previous crimes — is demanding the city do something about its sanctuary law.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387722,00.html

"The AZ law is nothing more than a mirror of the unenforced federal law. "

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What a weak argument! The Constitution gives Federal the power to regulate immigration. It doesn't give the State the right to regulate immigration. If it is mirror then, why not start coining your own state coins? It only mirrors Federal Laws! The truth is that the Federal Govt. has not been enforcing Federal Rights versus State Rights. Which leads to every States thinking they have the right to enforce their own laws that mirrors Federal Laws. Totally unconstitutional!

While I'm fairly liberal, I do have to point this out. The Republican Party has offered a solution: Enforce the immigration laws as they stand.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with immigration enforcement. To be fair, let's look at it from this angle:

Proposal: Our country is great (it is) and allows for people to prosper (it does). Let's let anyone and everyone who wants to come here into our fold. Everyone deserves what we have.

What's wrong with this picture? Well, there will be some objecting to the term "everyone" and "anyone" because some of those "everyones" and "anyones" are criminals. So, we say, "but first, we must do a background check to make sure violent and disruptive individuals do not make it into our land as they will destroy our sense of community." Well, you're in luck. We provide that service within our immigration code! So, the federal government should be expelling those folks here who are committing crimes, right? Well, they do not.

Then you say, "we shouldn't let people into our land if they have highly contagious diseases". Once again, "bingo!" you're in luck. We have that in our code too! But the Feds don't do their job, so say "howdy" to the swine flu, tuberculosis and other whacky diseases we eliminated sometime back!

You say, "but we don't have enough jobs for everyone in the world, therefore we need to protect our citizens from having employment opportunities snatched away from us!" Once again, you're in luck! That provision is in the code! But we have greedy employers, and a federal government who refuses to enforce that provision.

You see, we have the tools to keep immigration levels within our needs. It's there. The only problem is that our politicians are only concerned with self-preservation. If one party bows to the will of a HUGE base of people here who have relatives here illegally, then they will, without regard to our well-being, bend and ignore laws that are currently on the books. Reagan did it, and so will Obama.

Then, there are the idealists. Those who simply throw logic out the window, never thinking through to the law of unintended consequences and the folly of moral hazard. Inherently, they know they're misguided, but, because they have no valid argument, they call everyone who thinks in a logical manner "racist." That shuts down many people who have valid arguments as to why immigration "reform" is unnecessary.

Then, of course, there's Mexico, who DEPENDS upon the remittances sent home to SURVIVE. Nope, no self-interest there at all!

Open your eyes, people. We're being sold down the river. Amnesty didn't work back in the 80's, and it won't work this time around. WE ARE A GUTLESS, FRAIDY CAT NATION OF FOOLS.

BC and Heartburn - very good comments.

Tommy - Boycott Arizona? I think Arizona has told LA to bring it on. I hope LA has candle since they may lose about 25% of their electricty.

http://www.examiner.com/x-26212-Long-Island-Democrat-Examiner~y2010m5d19-Arizonas-response-to-Los-Angeles-boycott-No-electricity-for-you

What Arizona ought to do is when about 50 illegals are rounded-up a bus s/b rented and these illegals s/b driven to LA and dropped off at city hall.

What the hell is going on in this world where we have to sit back and listen to clowns like Felipe Calderon lecture us about our immigration laws?I do not know if he realizes it or not,but millions of people have left his country to seek greener pastures.And then they rip on America.

How about we just get it over with and annex Mexico as our 51st State?That or give them California back.

Are we going to boycott the USS Arizona memorial, too?
I just got back from Germany and was asked for my passport. I wasn't offended. It's the law and until it's changed we all have to abide by the laws of nations or face the consequences of our actions.

Reading some of these posts just make me cry. First, unfortunately the Mexican President was invited here by our U.S. hating President. Never before in our history has a president bowed to another president/leader of another nation. Never before has a president appologized for our LEGAL laws.
Second, the Arizona law is not a "new" law per say. What the AZ law does is allow the AZ police forces to uphold the federal laws. So basically AZ is now telling it's police force to enforce what the federal government refuses to enforce eventhough they approved the laws.
THird, and most important, is the simple fact that the AZ law does not allow for racial profiling. Please read the law. It is not that long, and the important stuff is right in the first two pages. It clearly states that an officer can only ask for identification (the word papers is never used) when someone is either underarrest, detained or during an investigation into a crime. In other words, when they are pulled over for not stopping at a stop sign they have to show their drivers license, something you cannot (or should not be able to) get in this country unless you are a legal citizen or on a visa of some sort. I am asked for my license when I am pulled over. Is that racial profiling? I am asked for my ID at the library, the supermarket, bars, government buildings, state dinners......oh wait a second here. Did they ask to see peoples identification before they are allowed into the state dinner tonight? I bet they are protecting the state dinner "borders" tonight. They are doing a better job of that than protecting our own borders from illegal immigrants. ILLEGAL IMRANTS are breaking our laws and should be handled according to those federal laws that the state of AZ is attempting to do. So HHH, who you crappin with your spewed non sense? Read the law, show me exactly where it states that the officers are allowed to randomly walk up to someone and ask for ID. Until that time, please do not post again because you are making yourself look bad.

as long as the bucks keep going to mexico,and there un enployed go north he is one happy man

So, the President of a country that has fallen into total political and economic chaos comes to the U.S. and tells us that WE have a problem in how we deal with refugees from the mayhem over which he presides? Right . . .

Who the hell does Calderon think he is? Take your dumb as Mexican butt back across the border and clean up your own country. Obama, you can got with him too. You are just as bad in this matter. Oh! Have you read the simple LAW from Arizona?

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Why should Calderon be any different that our Ass't Sec of State - Michale Posner complains to China about Arizona's human rights abuses?

Does anyone else see the irony of him complaing to China?

Tell him to shove it and ride out on the burro he came in on.

Did Obama bow and apologize to him?

The concern over discrimination amazes me. Of course the Arizona law discriminates. It very pointedly discriminates against illegal immigrants.

Blame O'Bama for inviting this "do as I say not as I do" imbecile. Look at the immigration laws of Mexico and how immigrants are treated in Mexico. What an ass..

The US treats non-citizens better than ANY other country in the entire WORLD.

after reading several comments over several months, it is quite evident HHH is a racist. He continually degrades "white" folk with his hate speech.

I wonder if what HHH writes could also be considered hate crimes?

The Swamp should think about allowing HHH's racist hate speech!

First off, the governor of AZ (Brewer) who signed this stupid racist bill was not our elected governor. The voters here elected Janet Napolitano, who had repeatedly vetoed this or very similar laws in the past. She was re-elected easily and is still very popular here.

Pres Obama choose Napalitano to head Homeland Securit and she left us in the hands of a thug wingnut, Jan Brewer.

Brewer is the one who signed this racil profiling garbage into law. I will not forgive her for that, but for anyone in the US to suggest that we elected Brewer as our governor is wrong. We didn't.

The legislative districts in AZ are extremely gerrymandered to favor Republicans. The majority of voters across the state did not vote for the Wingnuts who passed this law, who were all Republicans, mostly from Maricopa county.

Every Democrat in the legislature, who represent the rest of the state, voted against it.

This was no referendum. The AZ voters here have had NO SAY in this whatsoever.

Adopting Mexico's Immigration Law would give people around the world something to talk about. It might make Pres. Calderon comfortable.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Calderon is the mother of all hypocrites

First off any of you idiots out there that call it a profiling law are just ignorant of the facts and have most likely not even read the bill. And for you brain dead liberal loons the majority of the people in Arizona and America agree with the law. The problem is that federal officials will not even enforce federal law that is on the books. And most of you yokels from other states that are complaining about this new terrific law probably do not even know why it was written. Maybe you should look into the crime's that are being committed in Arizona by illegals. Why in Arizona is the crime rate higher than in New York City per capita? Why is Phoenix Arizona called the kidnap capital of America?

And as far as the president of Mexico putting down the law maybe he should go back and clean up his own country. If he was investigated he would most likely end up in one of their prisons.

The act is scheduled to go into effect on July 28. Referendum requires filing 76,682 voter signatures You can influence the law, Vote online on http://immigration.civiltalks.com/

What part of the presidential oath doesn't Obama understand? ""I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Or does he think it says the constitution of Mexico?

Saurez

The problem with Obama understanding the oath is he was required to read it first, which of course, he did not.

what we have here are 2 mental midgets agreeing that America is bad while both benefit from our greatness it would be funny if it wasnt so sad

"HHH,

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

I'd give up the slogan, but profoundly ignorant and delusional people like you continually make it relevant.

Posted by: Former Democrat | May 19, 2010 3:56 PM"

So, if Republicans/Libertarians/"Other" Conservatives speak in a stupid, ranting/"frothing" manner and/or what one might call "insanely", substituting opinion for fact, throwing out wild associations that are not bound in logic or, apparently, any KIND of reality that's shared with the rest of humanity, does that make Conservatism a mental illness?

I wouldn't even bring it up, but profoundly hysterical, ignorant and arguably insane people like JohnD, Terry, Paulo, and Free to Watch (in his various iterations), to name a few, continually make that statement JUST as relevant as yours.

Opie,

Us conservatives don't make statements that are "profoundly hysterical, ignorant and arguably insane". Conservatism requires logical thought and,unlike liberalism, is not based on emotion. The hysterical part is when you see liberals not get their way - see Sean Penn as an example, how angry they get. Do you ever watch liberals on TV, see MSNBC, and do you see Keith, Rachel or Ed smile? Just look you fellow libs in here - look at the name calling and see that most of it, not all of it, comes from the left.

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Posted by: HmongRodneyKing | May 19, 2010 8:28 PM
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You are wrong in suggesting that the Constitution entirely prohibits the states from acting with regard to immigration enforcement. In De Canas v. Bica, 424 U. S. 351 (1976), the United States Supreme Court said the Immigration and Naturalization Act did not entirely oust states from promulgating laws that touch on immigration as long as they do not conflict with federal law. According to the court, “an independent review does not reveal, any specific indication in either the wording or the legislative history of the INA that Congress intended to preclude even harmonious state regulation touching on aliens in general, or the employment of illegal aliens in particular.” (Id., at 358.) Thus, “the States do have some authority to act with respect to illegal aliens, at least where such action mirrors federal objectives and furthers a legitimate state goal.” (Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 225 (1982). The question, then, is whether the Arizona law corresponds to any identifiable Congressional policy and operates harmoniously with federal law. (See Id., at pp. 225-226.)
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To answer that question, one must merely ask what the Arizona law does. What it does is prohibit aliens from walking the streets in violation of the federal immigration laws. When a person is found in violation of the law, the law authorizes the states to turn the alien over to the federal authorities for immigration proceedings. That, by definition, both furthers identifiable Congressional policies and operates harmoniously with federal law. Thus, I give you (and other, like minded people) about a 2% chance that some federal judge is going to toss this law based on the “supremacy” of federal law.
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The part of the law that bothered me was its enforcement mechanism. I once agreed with HHH that it constituted a racial profiling law. That, however, was before the law was amended. Since its amendment, the law now explicitly prohibits police from making contact with, detaining, or arresting an individual based solely on the suspicion that he or she is a Mexican national or another alien illegally present in the U.S. Now, the police must have a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, or some other reasonable basis (other than for the investigation of crime), to contact an individual before they may inquire regarding a person’s immigration status. That makes it a non-profiling statute. (“Racial Profiling” means the use of personal, racial characteristics to infer the commission of a crime when enforcing the law.”)
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Furthermore, as with every other criminal law, state officials are restrained in their efforts to enforce this law by relevant provisions of the Constitution. That means they have to have reasonable suspicion to detain, probable cause to arrest, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. It also means they must honor an individual’s right to remain silent, to have counsel for the defense, and to enjoy a fair, public and speedy trial. In short, merely enacting a law doesn’t trump the Constitution, and it can’t threaten constitutional protections.
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And, while we are on the topic of weak arguments, your argument suggesting that states start printing money or minting coins is way off in left field. The Constitution prohibits states from “coin[ing] Money; emit[ting] Bills of Credit; [or] mak[ing] any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts …” (U.S. Const. Art. I, § 10.) On the other hand, as already stated above, the federal government’s exercise over immigration and naturalization has not so entirely occupied the field so as to preclude the operation of concurrent state regulation of immigration in a manner consistent with federal law. In which case, you are totally out to lunch AGAIN.

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Posted by: Steve Lobber | May 19, 2010 11:03 PM
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You correctly observe that HHH not only writes with an obnoxious edge, but spews hateful racism too.
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However, what he writes is not a “hate crime.” Hate crimes, by definition, involve crimes of violence (e.g., assault, battery, robbery, murder, rape, etc.) committed because of the race, national origin, religion (and, now, sexual orientation) of the victim. Words cannot, in themselves, constitute violence. Thus, no matter how angry or hateful one utters words, words cannot comprise a hate crime by themselves.
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This fact, however, doesn’t prohibit the Swamp from living up to its promise to screen posts for “relevance to the topic, obscenity, spam and over-the-top personal attacks.” I’m sure that I’d get run off this board if I ever exhibited any tendency to use words analogous to those that HHH uses with regard to non-white people. (Of course, I don’t have any inclination to do so.) The rules here are different only because HHH makes racial slurs against white people. For some reason, white people are fair game (probably on the theory that they are the evil, rich folks who oppress everyone else.) This is what happens when a blog’s editors turn out to be guilty liberals.

Nervy News #5: Felipe Calderon

It’s common courtesy for a guest invited into someone’s home to be gracious, non-judgemental, and not contumely. Similarly, it’s common sense that the homeowner also not tolerate rude and insulting behavior on the part of said guest.

The President of Mexico has been visiting the White House–the American peoples’ house–and he engaged in notably un-diplomatic behavior, markedly rude behavior, and the current caretaker of our house thought so little of his fellow countrymen that he refused to call him on it.

In a joint, two question, press conference in the Rose Garden on Wednesday, President Felipe Calderon criticized the Arizona law on illegal immigrants. “Many of them, [illegals whom he prefers to call “migrants”] despite their significant contribution to the economy and to the society of the United States, still live in the shadows and, occasionally, as in Arizona, they even face discrimination,” Calderon said.

Instead of defending Arizonans and politely suggesting Calderon had outworn his welcome by attacking the law of a sovereign state which happens to mirror United States’ statutes, the caretaker concurred with the Mexican leader and spoke of a possible civil rights suit against Arizona: http://tiny.cc/14afv . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1693)

"Opie,

Us conservatives don't make statements that are "profoundly hysterical, ignorant and arguably insane". Conservatism requires logical thought and,unlike liberalism, is not based on emotion. The hysterical part is when you see liberals not get their way - see Sean Penn as an example, how angry they get. Do you ever watch liberals on TV, see MSNBC, and do you see Keith, Rachel or Ed smile? Just look you fellow libs in here - look at the name calling and see that most of it, not all of it, comes from the left.

Posted by: Terry | May 20, 2010 8:25 PM"

Well, THAT may be the biggest laugh I've had today (still, it's early). This image of you and your cronies congratulating yourselves on your logic and clear, emotion-free thoughts is truly a great joke! Thanks, and enjoy your weekend out there in denial-land!

Berlet, remember Mexican/Americans have dual citizenship and can vote in Mexican elections.

The last president actually made campaign appearances in the Pilsen neighborhood of Chicago....

So, when the US President invites the Mexican President for a state visit, it is understood that BOTH of them are campaigning for votes.

You see?

ornery

Good point.

You are wrong in suggesting that the Constitution entirely prohibits the states from acting with regard to immigration enforcement. In De Canas v. Bica, 424 U. S. 351 (1976), the United States Supreme Court said the Immigration and Naturalization Act did not entirely oust states from promulgating laws that touch on immigration as long as they do not conflict with federal law. According to the court, “an independent review does not reveal, any specific indication in either the wording or the legislative history of the INA that Congress intended to preclude even harmonious state regulation touching on aliens in general, or the employment of illegal aliens in particular.” (Id., at 358.) Thus, “the States do have some authority to act with respect to illegal aliens, at least where such action mirrors federal objectives and furthers a legitimate state goal.” (Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 225 (1982). The question, then, is whether the Arizona law corresponds to any identifiable Congressional policy and operates harmoniously with federal law. (See Id., at pp. 225-226.)
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The fancy word "preclude" is basically another word for: delegation! My point is that originally, immigration laws are designed for the Federal Govt. to carry out, and not of the State. You are correct that the Constitution doesn't prohibit the Federal Govt. to give away some of its responsibilities to the States! The Arizona Law became law because the Federal Govt. was experimenting with the States. Allowing the local polices, Sheriffs and States some Federal Power. Now, that they have tasted some of those federal power: Lord and behold! There is no more line!

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To answer that question, one must merely ask what the Arizona law does. What it does is prohibit aliens from walking the streets in violation of the federal immigration laws. When a person is found in violation of the law, the law authorizes the states to turn the alien over to the federal authorities for immigration proceedings. That, by definition, both furthers identifiable Congressional policies and operates harmoniously with federal law. Thus, I give you (and other, like minded people) about a 2% chance that some federal judge is going to toss this law based on the “supremacy” of federal law.
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Correct, it is unlikely that it will be overturned- the political potatoe is too hot! But, I hope that common sense prevails in the end. Other words: What is the point of the Arizona Law if there is already an existing law that local police can turn over illegals to ICE for deportation? Laws that duplicate each others are a burden to society (let me know if there is a word to describe this in the law profession). The net gain of this law is negative: loss of business, loss of tourism, increase cost of incarnations, increase cost of lawsuits, increase cost of deportations, increase in tax to support duplication of enforcement of federal law, increase in crime because police are too busy chasing illegals instead of murderers, robbers, rapists, gangs. And, somehow Arizona is going to save billions of dollars from enacting this law because of the money they saved by not providing service to illegals? What a joke! Only the Federal government has enough money to do all that! My point is simple: there are more effective means than passing useless laws. Doesn't Arizona want to spend extra money on hiring more border patrols, building fences, ect. rather than defending lawsuits, build more prisons, and less resource for fighting local crimes? Obviously, we know where their priorities are: it's about power. It was never about immigration! If it was, Congress would have passed "comprehensive reform!" to include hiring thousands of federal border patrols! In the end, the victims are the illegal aliens who are being ping pong'ed for fun because they have no real voice because they have no rights! They are the easiest scape goats when the true problem lies in Congress! Hey? It's easy to be the bully around the neighborhood!