Obama: McChrystal showed "poor judgment": The Swamp
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Chicago Tribune

Decision on his future won't be made until two meet

Posted June 22, 2010 5:50 PM
The Swamp

by Mike Memoli

President Obama said this afternoon that comments attributed General Stanley McChrystal in a magazine profile showed "poor judgment," but that he would wait until tomorrow's scheduled meeting before determining whether to replace his top commander in Afghanistan.

The comments came late this afternoon after a meeting of the president's Cabinet. Obama added that whatever decision he makes would be guided entirely by whether the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan is the right one.

"Even as General McChrystal is on his way here, I want everyone to keep in mind what our central focus is. And that is success in making sure that al Qaeda and its affiliates do not attack the United States and its allies," Obama said.

Earlier, press secretary Robert Gibbs said that "all options are on the table" with regard to McChrystal's future, including firing. Asked specifically if McChrystal's job was safe, Gibbs responded: "We'll have more to say after that meeting."

McChrystal, who is still en route to Washington for meetings at the White House and Pentagon, has reportedly offered a letter of resignation.

Obama was measured in his statement to reporters, though Gibbs described the president's initial reaction to the Rolling Stone article as "angry." On Capitol Hill, meanwhile, reaction has ranged from guarded to furious.

Rep. Dave Obey (D-WI), chair of the Appropriations Committee, called for him to be immediately removed for "making a damn fool" of himself.

"His repeated contempt for the civilian chain of command demonstrates a bull headed refusal to take other people's judgments into consideration," he said in a statement. "That is damn dangerous in somebody whose decisions determine life and death for American troops and others in the region."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was more restrained.

"I have always liked General McChrystal, all the times I've met with him," he said. "I couldn't believe General McChrystal, being the good soldier I think he is, at least in this article not being a very good soldier."

Republican leader Mitch McConnell, meanwhile, urged people not "get diverted" from focusing on the war effort.

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Buh bye, McChrystal


Next stop - Faux Noise Channel.
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Time for Darth Cheney and his mini-me (Liz) to emerge from their Death Star and tell us how Obama hates the troops and loves the terrorists and Afghanistan was doing just fine until Obama took over.....yada yada yada.


Obama needs to shut the literal hell up!


Obama showed 'poor judgement' on the golf course.


We can't have any bad judgment a/k/a the truth, in this transparently dishonest White House


If anyone has shown poor judgement it's the Obama administration, the administration needs to butt out a quit micro managing operations in Afghanistan, Johnson showed us why it shouldn't be done in Vietnam.


If the politicians and all the other phonies in Washington want to hold the General responsible for using poor judgement. Then they should be held to the same standard. At least the general is putting his life on the line for the American people. The politicians are putting the American citizens life on the line for their political gain. Look at what they have done to this country in the last 50 years. Truly disgraceful.


Sounds like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has spent a helluvalot more time with the General than the President has.


McChrystal is the only one who has sound judgement. Biden and Obama are clueless.


The ONLY person who has shown poor judgment is Mr. Obama. He continues to show his lack of experience in addressing needs of the US citizens through, at Mr. Obama's choice, the USA military. Now, Mr. Obama tries to re-direct blame to those who are telling the truth. Shame on you, Mr. President. Shame on you, Mr. Obama. In the words of pre-schoolers: "Shame. Shame. Everyone knows your name."


O'Bonehead appointed McChrystal and now wants to fire him. Watch for this jug-earred joke of a President to appoint Vince McMahon of the World Wrestling Federation. "Send in the Marines?" - nope - "Send in the Wrestlers"!!!


China kills people. Nothing from Obama.
Iran kills people. Nothing from Obama
North Korea kills people. Nothing from Obama.
An American soldier critiques Obama's judgment. Obama has a hissy fit.
President Lohan strikes again..


If, as a school teacher, I let the students in my classroom speak disrespectfully about the principal, I would be fired, and rightly so. EVEN if the students were saying things that were true. Being right doesn't give you license to be a disrespectful jerk who creates a work climate that makes it difficult for everyone to do their job in an open and honest manner.


The most bizarre thing about this is how loose McChrystals staff is. The excepts of this article imply that a reporter just sat around and shot the breeze with a General whose staff just spouted off willy-nilly, even to the extent of quoting their commander's private comments about a slew of people.

I am immersed in military culture and I don't know the officer who would tolerate his subordinates putting words in his mouth, but this General is all fine with it.

It makes me really uneasy about McChrystal's leadership ability. Well, THAT and the fact that he was complicit in torture and a known liar.


Yeah. You might say he "acted stupidly".

Right Prez?


I just hope that Obama does not kill too many of our troops before he's out of office in 2012. Obama has shown poor judgment in Afghanistan, dealing with Iran, dealing with North Korea, dealing with their oil spill, and dealing with Israel. His bad judgment is what is killing our troops today.


The general called it like it is... The Obama administration is turning victory into defeat in Afghanistan. I wish the Republican leadership would draw up articles of impeachment against this administration, which has been so harmful to the U.S.


Obama is an expert on showing poor judgment.


Given that Obama has zero military experience McChrystal has every right to speak out.


The poor judgement comes from Obama and his cronies. General McChrystal has all of my respect. He has worked hard to get where he is. He is the one who has the experience running a war. He has earned the respect of the troops under him. Obama has no idea to run anything. Obama has NEVER run anything and has no idea what's best for anyone. Obama's poor decisions are going to cost many soldiers their lives- leaving them in harms way. No one ever taught him that there's safety in numbers. He wants to leave just a few troops all over the place making it dangerous to be there. Obama should lose HIS job.


It's hard for a soldier to stomach an unqualified President who hates America.


WONDER WHAT WALTER CRONKITE WOULD SAY IF HE WAS STILL ALIVE TODAY. HE ONCE HAD SAID WE WOULD NEVER WIN IN VIET NAM...AFTER THAT REMARK, JOHNSONS RATINGS WENT DOWN.....WHEN WE HAVE TO PAY OUR TAX DOLLARS TO THE TALIBAN FOR OUR CONVOYS TO TRAVEL ON SOME OF THE MAIN ROADS , WHO GAINS THE REAL ADVANTAGE OVER THERE? I WONDER


obonehead showed poor judgement at the ball game and on the golf course.


Let's face it. McChrystal has destroyed his working relationship with everyone who is not actually under his command. (And maybe those under his command, too). For that alone, he should be fired.


But the problem goes deeper than that. The Constitution says that Congress has the power to declare war and fund (or de-fund) war, and that the President is Commander-in-Chief. Not Stanley A. McChrystal. No one elected him.


It is fundamentally wrong to set policy on war by asking the generals, "do you want more troops?" That's like asking Wall Street, "do you want more money?" That's like asking my five-year-old twins, "do you want more candy?"


McChrystal has to go. But after that, we have to make our decisions on war and peace based on what's right for America, not what's right for the generals, or Halliburton, or Blackwater. Not what's right for the military-industrial complex. But rather, what's right for us.


What the Hell? McChrystal say bye! Stick him with a fork he is done! He didn't like his boss in the first place, you could tell in the pictures that he was always glaring at Obama. Maybe a deep rooted predjudice. Didn't like taking orders from a black president. Say bye! whiteagle38


Inappropriate behavior unbecoming of a US General? Absolutely. Yet I respect him for having the courage and the balls to tell the truth about the civilian idiots in charge at the moment. His words ring true in spite of the unfortunate choice of delivery


Let Mckrystal and the military handle the war...you stay out of it.
And what do you mean we must keep America and her allies safe..you are a muslim...u hope that Israel and America both go down.
Russ


Posted by: jason-j | June 22, 2010 7:18 PM
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You're probably right, Jason. The general told the truth and called it like it is. We have an incompetent President surrounded by buffoons. But whether this is true is not really the issue here. The issue here is whether it was McChrystal's place to openly criticize the administration and hold individual administration officials up to contempt. I do not believe it is his place to do so as long as he remains in uniformed military service.
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This country is founded on the principle of civilian leadership of the government, and of the military in particular. Thus, insubordination and contempt toward the President, Vice President and his appointed officials cannot be tolerated. They are McChrystal’s superiors in the chain of command. His attitude signals something short of the discipline and obedience necessary to make a military command work. Furthermore, as a leader of an entire theatre of war, McChrystal sets the tone and attitude of all of his subordinates. If any or all of them adopted the same attitude toward their superiors, our efforts in Afghanistan would devolve into bedlam very fast. If we have to bring McChrystal home for good to keep good order and discipline, then I say let it be done. However much contempt and disgust I share with McChrystal for Obama and his fuzzy friends, I still believe that this action must be taken to preserve the office of President for its next holder.


Obama needs to shut the literal hell up!

Posted by: star | June 22, 2010 6:17 PM

You're an effing fool! If he doesn't comment, wingnuts like you accuse him hiding the truth. Furthermore, let's remember that generals work for the President. How far would you get downgrading your boss, moron?


"Dave Obey (D-WI), chair of the Appropriations Committee, called for him to be immediately removed for "making a damn fool" of himself." - He is an expert at this.

The questions is - why did McChrystal grant an interview with Rolling Stone? Assuming Rolling Stone is not embellishing the interview, he told the truth, but he needs to know the phrase "no comment."


Obama is a joke.


Time for a reality check, all you members of the Stanley McChrystal Fan Club:

Obama (wimp that you all agree he is) caved in last year and gave the general everything he wanted to pursue his "COIN" theory in Afghanistan.

Not even a year later, the general's pretty much admitted the theory isn't working. Afghanistan's no closer to being... umm... whatever the architects of this war say it's going to become (we can assume that a corrupt narco-state dominated by warlords, where even the ones "on our side" shake us down for bribe money to keep from selling us out to the Taliban, was not what the general had in mind).

Bottom line, the general had his chance... and he failed. And now he seems to be trying to blame it on his commanding officer's bad judgment. Yep, Obama showed bad judgment all right--listening to the general in the first place.

I think the first poster's got it right: the general's looking forward to a career at Faux Noise, where he can get a healthy paycheck for criticizing his former boss. But he's got a little problem here--he's got to get out of his current job without looking like a failure. Can't just keep pursuing the theory ('cause it's not working), can't "retire to spend more time with his family" ('cause it'll look like he's running out on his men)... but if he can provoke Obama to fire him, then he can always say "it's not my fault we lost in Afghanistan; we would have won if Obama hadn't removed me." And the dittoheads will believe him.

I think the best thing Obama could do in this situation is haul the general into his office and leave him with two alternatives: make his theory work, or publicly admit he was wrong and is stepping down.


Obama shows poor judgement almost every day, so I guess he is the expert on that.


Has it occurred to any of you wingnut morons that technically the general could be court-martialed? It's in the military code. Whether or not you like Obama, he is still the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. Oh I forgot- the Constitution is a matter of convenience for you wingnuts, You follow it only when it suits you and your political views. never mind.


"Obama: McCrystal Showed Bad Judgment". Obama ought to know, he's an expert and could probably teach.


Obama is looking for a scapegoat to blame for his failure in Afghanistan and a distraction to his disastrous response to the oil leak in the Gulf, so General McChrystal just became a convenience target. This news might be on the front page for a day or two and buys Obama a bit of relief. By the way, how do we know that the "journalist" from Rolling Stone magazine wasn't a mole who set up the General?


All I can say is pathetic.
November can't come soon enough for this lame duck.


This whole shaministration is an example of poor judgement. The only time McChrystal has shown any poor judgement is that he said he voted for this incompetent, Chavez-wannabe bozo of a president.


Isn't this just finger pointing?


Dear President Obama, If you are reading this, please give General Stanley McChrystal another chance. He is a brilliant, and uncommon military leader who actually understands your mission, his troops and the Afghan people. Wartime is hard on everyone, and if he is guilty of anything, it was letting his hair down in front of that Rolling Stone reporter. Results count, and I believe in my heart of hearts that General McCrystal is the best hope that this country has to lead us to some semblence of victory in this awkward war that none of us chose. God bless you, all our military servicemen and servicewomen, and the United States of America.


Bush fired generals simply for disagreeing with him.

Casey and Abizaid for not agreeing with the surge.

Shinseki for his ACCURATE prediction that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in Iraq for several years.

Gen. Zinni was Bush's envoy to the Middle East, until he spoke against invading Iraq and said it would be a long and difficult war if we did.

Where was the outrage from the far right then?


USCMJ covers insubordination
take a step back in history and you'll see Douglas Macarthur hat in hand because of his remarks towards the Korean war effort and Pres. Truman. Obama like it or not, is the CIC of all american armed forces, if a multiple starred general don't know that, he doesn't need the job.


Don't worry about " Runway " McChrystal, as much as he likes to primp and pose for the audiences? He'll be the Republican-Libertarian-T.Bagger's next posterboy for those against President Obama!! President Truman knew exactly how to deal with " Prime Donna " Generals, with the king of them, General McArthur, strutting across the national political stage!! You just relieve them of their command and let them fade away. Thank God for our military, but thank God for our Founding Ancestors, who knew of the necessity of a discipled military, with serious civilian oversight. I was surprised President Obama stayed with a recalcitrant General, for as long as he did. There is no place in America's military, for any member, who thinks he or she is above the chain-of-command, regardless of their rank !! General McChrystal has earned a retirement and I think he should be allowed to enjoy it, immediately !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE, NOW.


If McChrystal has, indeed, already offered his resignation, he is a quitter and should be let go. If he has quit, he has quit on his president, he has quit on his country and, most importantly, he has quit on his troops.

My guess is that McChrystal self-destructed because he knows he doesn't have the answers and he has given up.

What a sad-sack. I'm embarrassed for him.


The general should have taken some more history courses along the way.

Particularly the history of Doug Macarthur.

He wouldn't salute Truman when Truman flew out to meet with him.

He showed insubordination.

Truman fired him.

McC. here has deliberately placed himself in the same posture as Doug.


Is it a death wish? or just a way to bail out early because he KNOWS Afghanistan was , is, and will probably always be a military disaster. (Ask the Russians.)

I think this is his way to bail early and try to make himself look good at the expense of the President.

It's akin to Petraeus fainting last week when McCain (his rival for the Rep. nomination in 12) asked the hard question about where Afgh. is headed.

McCrystal doesn't faint; he commits insubordination.

That's why Petraeus has 5 stars and he doesn't.


"In War, There Is No Substitute for Victory"

President Obama has summoned the Commander of US Forces in Afghanistan General Stanley McChrystal to the executive mansion to explain critical and dismissive comments the general and his aides made of top administration and Afghan officials.

See the New York Times version of the McChrystal story here: http://tiny.cc/9n1zp

McChrystal is in a situation very similar to that of MacArthur in Korea. He wants to win the war in Afghanistan but the administration won’t allow him to. He has issued an abject apology to the president for his remarks published in Rolling Stone; he should have resigned. MacArthur apologized to no one; he didn’t believe he was wrong.

Instead of the “limited war” restraints dictated by the Truman administration MacArthur faced in Korea, McChrystal faces the contraints of the “rules of engagement” as determined by the Obama administration.

As commander-in-chief, Obama has every right . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1748)


Pat Tillman--I'm remembering now.

McCrystal was given a "pass" despite his role in the coverup of that episode.

How many free passes does one get in life?

O, and that "acted stupidly" reference:

Don't think that the President didn't have someone examine the electronic traffic on that episode. Which showed the police knew that Prof. Gates was in his OWN house when they arrested him.
That's one of the things the President has: ways of knowing information most folk don't.

I think has has already been very patient but this time Gen. McChrystal has gone a bridge too far.


Pat Tillman, the prior episode where he told tales out of school, and now this.

How can a command still be entrusted to him in light of these past screw-ups?

And there may be others that have not come out yet.


Sam, how's this for a solution:

Pub McCrystal in charge of the BP oil disaster.

If as you suggest he's so good, he should be able to plug that one in no time.


Now, Obama is trying to re-direct blame to those who tell the truth. Shame on you, Mr. President. Shame on you, Obama. Under the pre-school: "It's a shame. Shame. Everybody knows your name


This is going to work out in one of the others favor.......Obama and his maggots can't achieve any decisive policy...esp in regards to this war (AFG) and in how to deal with the oil..so firing the Gen and withdrawing in 2011 may work out..... or the Gen taking the hit now and departing in light of the failing azimuth of this administration could be the other course. Either way and it can go only one of two ways.....fire...or... retain..... but maggots only feed on dead flesh......and the media is the medium...


The conflict in Afghanistan is essentially unwinnable. The DOD brass knows that. McChrystal, however, should be dismissed out of hand. Then Obama should immediately begin a withdrawal of all forces from Afghanistan and end George Bush's unfinished, opened ended war. The one he was incapable of finishing himself.


Many people are saying that he did this on purpose so he could get fired. Like Sarah Palin he found out he'd make more money on the talk-show fake news curcuit...plus he'll also collect his pension.


Then again, maybe McCrystal's top aides wanted to get fired so they could get the heck out of Afghanistan. They just didn't think it through to the boss getting in trouble.


I wonder how long it will take for them to decide no longer to allow embedded reporters with the military any more.


Raymond L. Juneau, McCrystal voted for Obama.


Hey, Rabid "Righties", this has nothing to do with any opinions on the "strategy" in Afghanistan. Obama is Commander in Chief, like Bush was before. Any criticisms must stay IN HOUSE. Even John McCain is siding with Obama on this and is calling for McChrystal's resignation. As a former soldier himself, he sees McChrystal's actions as insubordination. Which cannot be tolerated if any military operation is to succeed.


"War is too important to be left to the generals."

Georges Clemenceau


For some reason I believe you brain-dead liberal drones have done what you did when it came to the Arizona law, you did not read the article did you. Nowhere in the article does say Gen. insults anybody in Washington. Actually it was the reporter called the people in DC "wimps". And the general was not the one dropping the F. bomb everywhere it was once more the reporter. Most people that have never served in the military and stood up for this great country (meaning most liberals) will never understand. Chatting and e-mailing friends still serving would agree with what was in the article about this administration. And they blame the increased body count on Obama and his lunatic cronies in this administration.


Thank God for Rolling Stone. The only real, honest journalists left in the world.

Keep rooting out the REAL enemies of the United States, RS. That is, conservative war-mongers who are more interested in serveing themselves through their lustful glory, than actually doing what's right by our soldiers.


What the Hell? Unfrozencavegirlblogger, I thought we have a secret ballot system in this country! Sounds like another teabagger. Take another look at the news clips, I am sure they will run enoughl of them in the next couple of days! McChrystal is like Palin, when you know you are losing, you quit and go chase the money! whiteagle38


Dopey Raymond, you might want to read articles. You know, it's the thing people did before Obama told them everything and they blindly followed. McCrystal SAID he voted for Obama. I hope you don't vote.



(chuck2251)
WE THE PEOPLE DID NEED THIS,TIRED OF BEING LIED TO BY THE POLITICALLY CORRECT.
DOES OBAMA KNOW LESS ABOUT FIGHTING THE WAR OR BP OIL SPILL???WHY DOES HE THINK HE KNOWS SO MUCH?? MAYBE HIS EXPERIENCE IN OIL DRILLING AND WAR???
. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO HIDE THE TRUTH FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE SUPPORT THE GENERAL.BIDEN DOES NOT KNOW BEANS ABOUT THE WAR.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH,INSTEAD OF THE USUAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS THE GENERAL KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT A WAR,OBAMA KNOWS HOW TO BE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.BIDEN KNOWS EVEN LESS. WHEN MCCHRRYSTAL ASKED FOR 40,000 MORE TROOPS,OBAMA FIDDLED FARTED AROUND ( 7 WEEKS ) AND FINALLY GAVE HIM ONLY 30,000. IT TAKES A LONG WHILE TO ASSEMBLE THAT AMOUNT OF TROOPS. THE GENERAL KNOWS ABOUT WAR AND HAS BEEN IN THE THICK OF IT,WITH COMPETENT ADVISORS. THE CIVILAN ADVISORS TO TO OBAMA DONT KNOW CRAP. THEY ARE POWER HUNGRY
YOU PEOPLE THAT DONT REALIZE THAT THE GENERAL DID AMERICA A BIG FAVOR.WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE LIKE AN OSTRICH??


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