Just don't call it cap-and-trade

It's about time the American people quit being slaves to the Big Oil Oligarchy.

The way to pass this bill is to start constantly running ads showing the Big Oil loving Republican Congressmen apologizing to BP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcyxAzdMAn8

Call it whatever you want. Tax those Oil Slicks and end those subsidies !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

More Craziness from Nevada Teabagger Republican Sharron Angle....

The Greedy Oil Party can't help but defend their Big Oil pals over the American people, it's in their DNA

Sharron Angle: The $20 Billion in BP Escrow Cash Was "Slush Fund":
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/sharron_angle_the_20_billion_o.html

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Posted by: Rob | July 13, 2010 4:40 PM
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Okay, Mr. Genius, please tell us how capping carbon from coal burning electric plants has anything to do with ridding us of slavery to “big oil”? And while you are at it, please explain why companies like BP favor the cap and trade bill? Maybe it has something to do with the provision that expands offshore drilling? Hmmm? Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that the first beneficiary of cap and trade will be those who sell natural gas for use in electrical plants? Dude, you don’t know if you’ve been snake-bit or powder-burned.

Leave to the dems, especially Harry "Crooked Land Deal" Reid, to not let the truth get in the way of their story. This will be the biggest middle class tax increase in the history of the country (with matbe the exception of Social Security and Medicare).

Day 85 of the gov't ineptituide in cleaning up the oil slick.

Dont call it cap and trade, call it what it is Cap and Tax. Worst President Ever!!!!

Will this administration ever learn. Spain is now rolling back its green initiatives. They have learned for every green job created they lose 7.5 jobs directly and indirectly related to the energy sector of their economy. Their magnum solar to steam power plants have proven to be unreliable and very expensive. And we're building how many of them out west? How long before the mainstream media picks up on this story or will they deem it a non-story.

John W Bircher,
I'm not surprised that you would be on here defending the continued raping and pillaging of the American people by the Bil Oil Oligarchy. Your hero (Rand Paul) has been simultaneously apologizing to BP and tanking in the polls ever since the day he won the Repub nomination in Ky, which just goes to show you how well your beloved whack-a-doodle anti govt Libertarian philosophy works when it's out in the open for everyone to see just how crazy it really is

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http://loosetncanon.blogspot.com/2010/05/rand-paul-defends-bp-perpetrator-of.html
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Ltard,
Sooooo, taxing Big Oil is going to hurt a lower middle-class Repug minion like you.......how exactly?

Clown in DC,
The econimic problems that Spain is having aren't a surprise. The entire country is suffering because of how the Bush Republicans melted down the economy by starting two wars, giving unfunded tax cuts to the rich and letting Wall Street operate like a casiono. It's hard for any country to get any intiative started right now, especially when they have Big Oil loving right wingers and their lobbyists doing everything in their power to make sure the entire world economy goes down the depleting oil sink hole with them.

Used to be, a company would make a profit, pay their people a decent wage and benefits, and reinvest in PP&E. What was left went to the investor as dividends. Now it's all about doing things on the cheap, so infrastructure is ignored. Money, money, money, MONEY!

Rob the economic dolt,

Do you think "Big Oil" is just going to eat those costs or do you think they will pass them along to their customers? Taxes on lfe's neccessities are also almost always regressive - that is, they hurt people with less income more than they hurt the rich.

Its good to see HHH has returned, although trying to hide under a new alias, Rob.
See you can always tell when he returns by the idiotic, unsupported comments he/she (not sure what it is) makes as well as all the name calling.

It's not "cap and trade". It's not even "cap and tax".
It's "tax and tax".
Under the rather unique, Leftwing theory of government that if you take money from people, that will make them better off.....

Lochness,

It used to be that the gov't would encourage businesses to expand and not punish them thru more taxes and regulations. Oh the times of Dope and Change.

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Posted by: Rob | July 13, 2010 11:50 PM
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It’s truly a wonder to see your angry, but pathetically ignorant, rants on display. You cannot find a single word in my last post that “defend[s] the continued raping and pillaging of the American people by the Bil Oil Oligarchy”, as you claim. Not one.
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I merely pointed out how hopelessly disconnected this so called cap-and-trade bill was from doing anything to rein in “big oil;” how this bill is no panacea for everyone who wants to wean this country off of its oil dependency. People like you tend to project your hopes on the efforts of government without realizing that government isn’t doing what you are expecting. You expected the stimulus bill to help create and save jobs. It didn’t work. You expect better and affordable health care services. Obamacare isn’t going to do it. You expect financial reform to keep the recent financial meltdown from recurring. The proposed financial reform bill won’t do that either. And, in this instance, you expect a cap-and- trade bill (that has nothing to do with restraining oil companies and everything to do with lining their pockets) to do something about oil companies. You are so gullible that you believe every promise of candy, when every time you get wrapped up cow manure. Calling you stupid or ignorant would only serve to insult the stupid and ignorant.

I think if the democrats feel that man is the problem and man is causing global warming and that they fear what might happen - they should do the right thing and take themselves off the planet. If all the democrats did this, things would certainly be better and the planet would be grateful. I know I would!
Why do the democrats want to support the poor and not limit them from pro-creating?
Seems the democrats are subsidizing what they consider the destruction of the planet! Less people is good, right? - so sterilize these parasites who can't take care of themselves - don't allow them to have more parasites - oh wait - those are votes.. um I'm forgot - party before country..Hypocrites!
Until then - my goal is to increase my carbon footprint to match that of al gores, earn less and pay less taxes and give less! Let the democrats support everyone on their dime, not mine. Divided we fall should be obama's next slogan. Secure the borders and deport the illegals!

John W Bircher,
There is no energy/green policy, so how could the Big Oil companies be on board with a policy (which is idiotic on the face of it because Republicans get 99.9% more Big Oil lobbyist money than Dems do, just ask Joe Barton)? A phony lawyer like yourself should know that better than anyone.

Libtard
Lost in Space Donny from Plainfield
Equal Time
worsethanbefore....

If you have to use multiple post names to get your point across, maybe you don't have point.....Just sayin'.

Rob I probably pay more in taxes a year than you make. that a side Barrys taxes are going to hurt service employees like you and your family more than people like me. The only people that will benefit are the democratic welfare base.

Ltard,
Sooooo, taxing Big Oil is going to hurt a lower middle-class Repug minion like you.......how exactly?

Posted by: Rob | July 13, 2010 11:52 PM

Posted by: Libtard | July 14, 2010 3:43 PM
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Libtard, aka Equal Time, aka worsethanbefore, aka Lost in Space Donny from Plainfield aka Just sayin'

Unless you are the CEO of BP (you're probably on unemployment), the amount of taxes Big Oil pays has no effect on Repug clowns like you whatsoever.

And why should anyone believe anything you say? You can't make a coherent point on here even when relying on your multiple-sockpuppets for back up.

Rob (aka JohnEEE-Boy),
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Get a grip. Big oil doesn’t care who or what throws it a bone. If a Democrat bill helps their business, they will take it.
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First, you fail to realize that ‘big oil’ stands to make a lot of money from the cap-and-tax bill. Why? Because they also happen to control the largest share of natural gas production and storage, that’s why. The cap-and-tax bill will largely shut down coal burning electric plants. So, what do energy companies do instead of burning coal? A few of them are building nuclear power plants. Some are fortunate enough to have hydro-electric plants. But most of them have coal and/ior natural gas burning plants. Those that have coal burning plants are retrofitting them to burn natural gas. Electric companies in which I have invested my money have already undertaken this kind of retrofitting. So, let’s see: Big oil controls natural gas, and natural gas becomes greater in demand once cap-and-tax becomes the law. Only an idiot couldn’t see how ‘big oil’ stands to profit from this.
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Second, you may not like the fact that big oil supports the cap-and-tax bill, but it is still a fact: they do. See http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2010/06/bp-supports-democrats-cap-and-trade-tax.html and http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-BP_Cap_and_Trade_061610.html Live with it.
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Third, you have still failed to explain why this cap-and-tax bill does anything to restrain big oil. The proposed energy bill deals mostly with restrictions on electrical energy production. What it is going to do is make it more costly to use coal to produce electricity. It does NOTHING to wean us off of our oil addiction. It doesn’t address our use of oil for automobiles or industrial production. In addition, as shown above, it actually helps to make money for big oil through increased sales of natural gas for energy production. Then again, anyone (like you) who has to resort to name calling to make a point doesn’t have the smarts or knowledge to back up his words.
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All of this goes back to what I said before: Your have projected your hopes on this bill, and this bill does nothing to satisfy those hopes. You are always too willing to be fooled by those too happy to fool you. Shame on you.

Rob

That is your reply. It's just another pathetic rant straight from the DNC.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/07/just_dont_call_it_capandtrade.html#comments

And let's not forget that in January everybody gets a tax hike. Your child deduction is cut in half, the marriage penalty is back, and the death tax returns.

John W Bircher,

Listen to me very carefully: There..is..no....energy....bill....yet,...which means....that...there...is...no...way...possible....that...your...tin foil....claim....that....Big Oil..supports....one,....could...possibly.....exist.

And besides, like I said before, Big Oil is in the back pocket of your beloved Repugs, not the Dems. Which is why they and your hero Rand Paul, are falling all over themselves apologizing to BP about the oil spill that BP caused right now.

Getting a phony law license off the back of cereal box and calling yourself a "lawyer" isn't fooling anyone, Bircher. If nuts like you had your way, you'd drag this country back to the early 1800's.

This case is closed.....

Clown In DC,
In January, Bush's and the Republicans deficit producing and unfunded tax cuts for the rich expire. Unless you're a millionaire you don't have anything to worry about, Slick.

I'd say your rant came straight from the RNC but I can't, because unlike you, even that nutbag Michael Steele understands exactly what the Bush tax cuts for the rich expiring means.

How come you don't recognize HHH? After all this time...He changes his name, but not his style.

Liberals believe we should walk on egg shells, not call the TERRORISTS names, be politically correct when it comes to discussing cold blooded murders of innocent women, men and children around the world (Oh well, they are in those third world countries and it doesn't affect me, right?) After all we shouldn't call them scum of the earth, and crazy.

But when it come to their arche enemies, Republicans, Liberals are free to rank, call names, act like 12 year olds, and political correctness flys out the window. Fuc...n funny how that works.

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Posted by: Rob | July 14, 2010 10:10 PM
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Factually challenged JohnEEE-boy,
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The only case that should be closed is your conservatorship. You are too ignorant and too incapable of understanding the world around to manage your own affairs. It’s a good thing your mommy and daddy let you live in their basement for free.
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Contrary to the central point of your last rant, THERE IS A BILL. It’s already two months old. See http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/67846 . It’s called the American Power Act. See http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/ddoniger/the_american_power_act_first_r.html , http://lieberman.senate.gov/assets/pdf/APA_full.pdf and http://www.wri.org/stories/2010/06/detailed-summary-american-power-act-2010-offset-provisions . In fact, there are two such bills, inasmuch as Senator Lugar has submitted an alternative proposal. See http://ictsd.org/i/news/bridgesweekly/80628/ . So don’t tell me there is no bill. I hope I have helped to make you feel as stupid as you really are.
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And what’s more, BP and a number of other big oil interests are very much behind these efforts for the reasons already stated. Busting coal use is bound to increase their profits from natural gas sales.
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FYI - Repugs are not my beloved Repugs.
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The rest of your post is the standard product of your delirious, diseased mind. You lose on the facts and you have nothing valuable to say, so you attack me personally. That is your standard M.O. Attacking me this way relieves you of the need to think very hard about what you believe or say. I guess you will never learn that personal attacks provide no argument in favor of your position (much the same way that attacking Repugs provides no good reason to vote for or support Democrats). But that’s okay, you aren’t good at thinking anyway. I’m sure we can expect more of the same dreck from you in the future. You just can’t help yourself.

To Rob (really HHH)

FYI this is the only ID I use, regardless of what your puney illiterate brain is trying to tell you.
If you would bother to read anything other than the liberal talking points you would find out that BIG OIL DOES SUPPORT THE CAP AND TRADE.

Rob

You poor little drone. Unless a bill is passed stating that this tax cut expires but these do not then there will be a tax increase for every tax bracket. As far as I know there is no such bill in either chamber of Congress at this time. If nothing is done this is what will happen. On December 31st 2010 the tax brackets are as followed.

Filing status: Single
$0 to $8350 -- -- -- -- 10%
$8350 to $33,950 -- -- -- -- 15%
$33,950 to $82,250 -- -- -- -- 25%
$82,250 to $171,550 -- -- -- -- 28%
$171,550 to $372,950 -- -- -- -- 33%
$372,950 and up -- -- -- -- 35%

Filing status: Married filing jointly
$0 to $16,700 -- -- -- -- 10%
$16,700 to $67,900 -- -- -- -- 15%
$67,900 to $137,050 -- -- -- -- 25%
$137,050 to $209,250 -- -- -- -- 28%
$209,250 to $373,650 -- -- -- -- 33%
$373,650 and up -- -- -- -- -- 35%

On January 1, 2011 the tax brackets be has shown below.

Filing status: Single
$0 to $26,250 -- -- -- -- 15%
$26,250 to $63,550 -- -- -- -- 28%
$63,550 to $132,600 -- -- -- -- 31%
$132,600 to $288,350 -- -- -- -- -- 36%
$288,350 and up -- -- -- -- -- -- 39.6%

Filing status: Married filing jointly
$0 to $43,850 -- -- -- -- 15%
$43,850 to $105,950 -- -- -- -- 28%
$105,950 to $161,450 -- -- -- -- 31%
$161,450 to $288,350 -- -- -- -- 36%
$288,350 and up -- -- -- -- 39.6%

On top of that a few other nasty surprises return like the marriage penalty and the death tax. And for you liberals that have children along with everybody else that have children that tax deduction that you get per child is cut in half. So HHH, sorry Rob you just keep being a good little brain-dead liberal drone eating up all the propaganda being fed to you by the mainstream media, the liberal Congress, and the child president. You can stay in your little fantasy world where you belong and let the adults take care of business.

What's a Mother to Do? Part One: Dealing with International Green Hypocrites

Perhaps I shoudn’t ask the question, “What’s a mother to do?” since I’m a father not a mother. However, a male colleague used to ask that question not as a query but as an expression of frustration as to what anyone can do in response to the conditions and state of the world today.

The short answer is that a mother, or father, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, cousin, can’t do very much if anything but it’s nevertheless fulfilling to speculate on what we should do under certain sets of circumstances.

Would that we average joes and josies could do things, change things, or reverse things that, in our inexpert and humble opinions, called for doing, changing, or reversing based on a long-lost American skill and capacity, the application of common sense.

“Mother’s Commonsensical Solutions” will no doubt be attacked as everything from nonsensical and simplistic to naive and stupid but asi es la vida, tough apples. Readers are invited to offer better ideas.

Mother’s Problem Number One: Dealing With International Green Hypocrites

. “China, India, Indonesia, Brazil Can’t Estimate Their Greenhouse Gas Emissions–Latest Figures Are from 1994:” http://tiny.cc/81heh

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